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RussH
03-28-2012, 04:52 PM
Can anyone verify if this is true?

The new breadwinner in the family...



An emergency room physician told me that a woman in

her late 20's came to the ER today with her 8th pregnancy.

She told the first doctor she saw: "My Mama told me that

I am the
breadwinner for the family." He asked

her to explain. She said that she can make
babies, and babies get money from the State for
the family. It goes like this:
The
Grandma calls the Department of Child & Family Services, and states that the unemployed
daughter is not capable of caring for all of her
kids.
DCFS
agrees, and tells her the children will need
to go into foster care.

The Grandma then
volunteers to be the foster
parent, and receives a check for

$1500 per child each month in Illinois .
Total yearly income:
$144,000
tax-free and nobody has to go to work!
In fact, they get more if there is
no husband/father/man in the home!
Not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a monthly card entitling them to free groceries and a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes each month. This does not include WIC and other welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.
Indeed,

Grandma was correct that her fertile daughter is the"breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the liberal
politicians spend our tax dollars. When this

generous program was invented in the '60s, the Great Society architects forgot to craft
an end date... and now we are hopelessly

overrun with people who vote only for those who will continue to keep them on the dole....
No wonder our country is broke! Worse, the Muslims have been paying attention, and by mandating that each Muslim family have eleven children, they will soon replace the voting bloc above and can be running this country within 50 years.
Are we alarmed yet?
Is anybody listening?
Sincerely,
Sebastian

J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist,
Danville

Polyclinic, LTD


08087
03-28-2012, 04:53 PM
Don't know if it's true in that state but in NJ you get about $750 per month per child.

(We gave foster care until we adopted)

Qb1rdman
03-28-2012, 04:59 PM
Can anyone verify if this is true?

The new breadwinner in the family...



An emergency room physician told me that a woman in

her late 20's came to the ER today with her 8th pregnancy.

She told the first doctor she saw: "My Mama told me that

I am the
breadwinner for the family." He asked

her to explain. She said that she can make
babies, and babies get money from the State for
the family. It goes like this:
The
Grandma calls the Department of Child & Family Services, and states that the unemployed
daughter is not capable of caring for all of her
kids.
DCFS
agrees, and tells her the children will need
to go into foster care.

The Grandma then
volunteers to be the foster
parent, and receives a check for

$1500 per child each month in Illinois .
Total yearly income:
$144,000
tax-free and nobody has to go to work!
In fact, they get more if there is
no husband/father/man in the home!
Not to mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a monthly card entitling them to free groceries and a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes each month. This does not include WIC and other welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.
Indeed,

Grandma was correct that her fertile daughter is the"breadwinner" for the family.

This is how the liberal
politicians spend our tax dollars. When this

generous program was invented in the '60s, the Great Society architects forgot to craft
an end date... and now we are hopelessly

overrun with people who vote only for those who will continue to keep them on the dole....
No wonder our country is broke! Worse, the Muslims have been paying attention, and by mandating that each Muslim family have eleven children, they will soon replace the voting bloc above and can be running this country within 50 years.
Are we alarmed yet?
Is anybody listening?
Sincerely,
Sebastian

J. Ciancio, M.D. Urologist,
Danville

Polyclinic, LTD



Sounds fake from where I'm sitting. Scary if it's true.


swifty
03-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Sounds fake from where I'm sitting. Scary if it's true.


Me too so I had to google....

http://www.urbanmyths.com/index.php?/e-mail-Hoaxes/

straps57
03-28-2012, 05:31 PM
If you have to ask if its true it probably ain't.

RussH
03-28-2012, 06:05 PM
Me too so I had to google....

http://www.urbanmyths.com/index.php?/e-mail-Hoaxes/

Did you read what you posted?? It says that the email is true.

Reader Bill C. received this email forward and wants to know if this email about families getting money from the state to raise the babies of their relatives is true. Yes, unfortunately it is. The relatives of mothers unable to care for their babies can receive extensive payments from the state.


Russ

Boatlessagain
03-28-2012, 06:35 PM
False based on this website: http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/fostering-a-fortune/

seabob4
03-28-2012, 07:00 PM
Russ, you really need to read stuff other than what is propagandized on right-wing nutball sites...

I mean, dude, if I went on a nutball site and said the moon was made of green cheese, and they printed it...;?;?

RussH
03-28-2012, 07:09 PM
Russ, you really need to read stuff other than what is propagandized on right-wing nutball sites...

I mean, dude, if I went on a nutball site and said the moon was made of green cheese, and they printed it...;?;?


I asked if this was true or not. I didn't get this from a nutball site, I got it from a friend that is a social worker. He said this isn't possible in Ohio but didn't know if it was possible in other states which is why I asked if anyone could confirm it.

I know for a fact that some women have children only to collect more money from the government, it's called ADC. I have 2 friends and their sisters openly admit they keep having kids so they can get more ADC.

I didn't think this was so far fetched and I still don't. Maybe the $144K is an inaccurate amount. Do you think that these women don't get free health care, free food, and free education while the working people of the world like myself have to pay for all of this. As I mentioned before the more kids they have the more ADC money they get.


Russ

buckman
03-28-2012, 07:21 PM
Sad.... but it's closer to truth then fiction. Those that know the system can and do abuse it

spraynet 1
03-28-2012, 07:24 PM
Russ, you really need to read stuff other than what is propagandized on right-wing nutball sites...

I mean, dude, if I went on a nutball site and said the moon was made of green cheese, and they printed it...;?;?

"I see your true... colors.... shinning through" Sometimes lyrics are very accurate:grin:

capt.holiday
03-28-2012, 08:05 PM
My wifes sister does something like this, shitty part is we (grandparents and us) take care of her kid.

I dont know exactly what the state(VA) gives her, but its decent. Shes rolling around in a car (11') newer than both of ours, the kids deadbeat dad drives a new surbuban(grandma got it for him), they are always out buying cellphones, clothes, pitbulls, ect. She gets the debit card for food, I think the kid gets state medical care. The part that royally pisses me off is that she has NEVER worked, ever. We grew up in the same neighborhood and even back then the sister was into shady stuff. They actually had the city water and several credit cards in the 5 year olds name.

Its sickening.

Were not poor, but damn, these people do not work at all. The grandparents will not file for custody because they are afraid the state will make them give the deadbeat parents visitation. To the best of my knowledge, my niece has not seen her parents in over a year. They live 2 blocks away.

seabob4
03-28-2012, 08:27 PM
"I see your true... colors.... shinning through" Sometimes lyrics are very accurate:grin:

I'll, and I'm sure you, will get over it...

RussH
03-28-2012, 08:27 PM
My wifes sister does something like this, shitty part is we (grandparents and us) take care of her kid.

I dont know exactly what the state(VA) gives her, but its decent. Shes rolling around in a car (11') newer than both of ours, the kids deadbeat dad drives a new surbuban(grandma got it for him), they are always out buying cellphones, clothes, pitbulls, ect. She gets the debit card for food, I think the kid gets state medical care. The part that royally pisses me off is that she has NEVER worked, ever. We grew up in the same neighborhood and even back then the sister was into shady stuff. They actually had the city water and several credit cards in the 5 year olds name.

Its sickening.

Were not poor, but damn, these people do not work at all. The grandparents will not file for custody because they are afraid the state will make them give the deadbeat parents visitation. To the best of my knowledge, my niece has not seen her parents in over a year. They live 2 blocks away.

I agree with everything you said. What a f'in joke that working people have to pay for food, education, health care, etc. while the deadbeats don't work. My aunt and uncle worked for Jeep in Toledo. They both quit working claiming back injuries. Three of my cousins all worked at the same factory and guess what....they are all on disability to for back injuries. They found out how their parents did it and they simply did the same thing.

These people are basically retired. they never contributed to a 401K or any kind of retirement. They sit on their dead ass's collecting government money while us middle class people have work and pay for everything.

IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT!!

Russ

seabob4
03-28-2012, 08:30 PM
I agree with everything you said. What a f'in joke that working people have to pay for food, education, health care, etc. while the deadbeats don't work. My aunt and uncle worked for Jeep in Toledo. They both quit working claiming back injuries. Three of my cousins all worked at the same factory and guess what....they are all on disability to for back injuries. They found out how their parents did it and they simply did the same thing.

These people are basically retired. they never contributed to a 401K or any kind of retirement. They sit on their dead ass's collecting government money while us middle class people have work and pay for everything.

IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT!!

Russ

Ummm...Russ, that's your family? Whoa, dude, wouldn't be putting that out there...

RussH
03-29-2012, 04:04 AM
I haven't talked to them in over 10 years and don't plan to in the future. My cousin asked if he could buy my mom's car after she died. He gave me $500 out of the $4K he was supposed to pay for the car and stiffed me for the rest. There is so much more to the story that I'm not going in to. They are all bum's with the exception of my cousin Jill, she has her master's degree and actually works for a living. She makes fun of her own family, she knows the game they are playing.

There isn't anything I could write that I wouldn't say right to their face, they know how I feel about them.

Russ

Gator56
03-29-2012, 04:09 AM
Russ, you really need to read stuff other than what is propagandized on right-wing nutball sites...

I mean, dude, if I went on a nutball site and said the moon was made of green cheese, and they printed it...;?;?

Geez everyone knows the moon's made of yellow cheese :bashhh:

oceandansar
03-29-2012, 04:17 AM
I haven't talked to them in over 10 years and don't plan to in the future. My cousin asked if he could buy my mom's car after she died. He gave me $500 out of the $4K he was supposed to pay for the car and stiffed me for the rest.

Russ

moral to this story never give up the title or ownership of a vehicle if you want to get paid no matter who you sell it to. :thumbsup:

swifty
03-29-2012, 04:22 AM
Did you read what you posted?? It says that the email is true.

Reader Bill C. received this email forward and wants to know if this email about families getting money from the state to raise the babies of their relatives is true. Yes, unfortunately it is. The relatives of mothers unable to care for their babies can receive extensive payments from the state.


Russ

No, you made the assumption but if you would have read the entire article you would see it was fake. Come on dude. ;?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/fostering-a-fortune/

buckman
03-29-2012, 01:48 PM
Just read in the paper that in Ma., the most money distributed by EBT cards are from ATM machines...Jokes on you people with jobs... That's money for anything they want and no way to track it. We are even allowing EBT cards to be used at package stores, cruise lines and Mcdonalds. What a country....we really have to start doing more for the poor

twentynine
03-29-2012, 02:53 PM
My wifes sister does something like this, shitty part is we (grandparents and us) take care of her kid.

I dont know exactly what the state(VA) gives her, but its decent. Shes rolling around in a car (11') newer than both of ours, the kids deadbeat dad drives a new surbuban(grandma got it for him), they are always out buying cellphones, clothes, pitbulls, ect. She gets the debit card for food, I think the kid gets state medical care. The part that royally pisses me off is that she has NEVER worked, ever. We grew up in the same neighborhood and even back then the sister was into shady stuff. They actually had the city water and several credit cards in the 5 year olds name.

Its sickening.

Were not poor, but damn, these people do not work at all. The grandparents will not file for custody because they are afraid the state will make them give the deadbeat parents visitation. To the best of my knowledge, my niece has not seen her parents in over a year. They live 2 blocks away.


I'll take the high road!

Thank Goodness that child has some one who cares.

RussH
03-29-2012, 06:40 PM
No, you made the assumption but if you would have read the entire article you would see it was fake. Come on dude. ;?

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/fostering-a-fortune/

Sorry, shoot me in the head. :roll

No question that SOME of it is true, come on dude. :)

CARV
03-29-2012, 08:35 PM
Hell yes it's true and if you want to support more losers, vote for the marxist.

marine4030
03-30-2012, 02:23 AM
its not far off though, figure state cash, EBT,housing vouchers, free cell,Medicare,utility vouchers..why work? to top it off,complaining about foreign labor taking "all the work" there is zero incentive to work.and the administration promotes this crap.

lbud
03-30-2012, 04:09 AM
They definitely get paid for spewing out kids....

HOTSPOT
03-30-2012, 04:42 AM
And it perpetuates from generation to generation. Have the kids to get money from all the damn FICA I have paid.

76 Mako 23
03-30-2012, 05:11 AM
First off its not right wing propaganda.......whether its true or not. The way our current administration is going I would bet the house much of it is true. And you do not need to be a right winger to see that you just need to open your eyes.

Bottom line there are to many freebies out there which is incentivizing people to not work and live off the rest of us who go to work and bust our butts.

It's not rocket science.

CLang
03-30-2012, 03:03 PM
It's much truer than most people will admit. Section 8 housing, WIC, welfare, food stamps, disability, gov't assistance with utility bills, etc, etc, etc. The system is 100% flawed and 100% abused. The abusers have found a way to screw the system ( you know, the one set up and paid for by OUR tax money) and it happens every day in every state. Nothing better than getting up at 2:30 in the morning so the guy that lives down the street from our bakery can sleep in and drink beer all day cus he's on complete disability cus he fell off a ladder that he didn't set up properly while working for a company that "settled his claim"

MYTraveler
03-31-2012, 10:06 AM
Well this is 100% true, but a little dated.

About 35 years ago, I was a volunteer teacher in a very economically disadvantaged area.
I was there because I wanted to help.

I was told to not give homework because no one would do it. I was told that if the class was too challenging or otherwise not interesting, no one would come.

I don't think my kids (the cream of their crop -- all seniors, likely to graduate) got much out of the class, or any of their education for that matter. In fairness, they never had a chance -- no one could make it with their limited opportunities and non-existent expectations.

On the last day of class, I went around the room to ask about future plans. The first three girls I called on all planned to "go on the County". Naive as I was, I had to ask what that mean. As a group, the entire class was more engaged than they had been at any time during the semester. Based on the detail of their explanations, it was obvious that kids already completely understood the ins and outs of that system -- how to maximize benefits and to assure their continuity. How to avoid traps for the unwary, and how to "raise" their children without unduly cramping their freedom to be irresponsible (as all kids of that age are prone to be). Turned out that mothers and aunts are happy to help, as raising disadvantaged children substitutes for a requirement that they seek gainful employment of their own.

That was when I first realized the government's sincere efforts to help have really ruined the lives of their intended beneficiaries and the offspring of those beneficiaries. Same thing with the school administration -- by institutionally diminishing the expectations put on the students, the result was to diminish the students' expectations of themselves.

Sadly, there is literally nothing that a guy like me could do to help in a situation like that -- I can't change the culture, and I can't change the prevailing political philosophy of entitlement. (Back then, it was called welfare, and there was a stigma attached to using food stamps at the checkout line. Now its called "entitlements" and the stigma is intentionally eliminated through the government's distribution of "debit" cards. Certainly well intentioned, but the consequences are bad for everyone.)

Ironically, conservatives are viewed (or at least typically portrayed) as greedy self-centered bigots. That isn't true of most conservatives I know, and I don't think it's true generally considering the well documented fact that on average, conservatives give much more to charity than liberals, even after adjusting for income. And many prominent politicians who profess to be more concerned about the disadvantaged give shockingly little. Biden for example. Actually, to be fair, he is happy to give a lot of other people's (ie taxpayers) money.

yachtaccess
03-31-2012, 03:21 PM
So whats the solution? you guys ready to fight a war against the lazy? youre gonna have to kill em all if you take away their money, because as soon as the money goes away the riots start.

CLang
03-31-2012, 03:42 PM
So whats the solution? you guys ready to fight a war against the lazy? youre gonna have to kill em all if you take away their money, because as soon as the money goes away the riots start.

The problem starts at the top. The solution starts in November hopefully. Vote em out, put in another round of better, yet still crappy politicians, and hope that someone wakes up and sees the problems. I'm not gonna sit idly by and watch this process continue to happen. We don't have the resources to fund and feed everyone. It's called survival of the fittest, and there's a reason why some species don't make it

RussH
03-31-2012, 04:57 PM
I drive a lot for my job and when it's nice outside it's incredible how many young guys are hanging out on their porches, carry-outs, or at the park. It's like they have no intention of ever working. As someone mentioned, the parents teach the kids how to use the system so none of them have to work.

Russ

cedarholm
03-31-2012, 05:01 PM
Urban farming.

stringle
03-31-2012, 05:12 PM
Google "crazy checks" and your head will explode.
BTW, "crazy checks" are paid by social security dollars...

thermasystems
03-31-2012, 07:02 PM
So whats the solution? you guys ready to fight a war against the lazy? youre gonna have to kill em all if you take away their money, because as soon as the money goes away the riots start.

I, and most of my friends are ready.

You?

Ranger88
03-31-2012, 07:21 PM
Google "crazy checks" and your head will explode.
BTW, "crazy checks" are paid by social security dollars...

Well, that does it.

And we're borrowing $0.40 out of every dollar they give these people.

I swear, i thing this country has had it..........

CLang
03-31-2012, 07:42 PM
So whats the solution? you guys ready to fight a war against the lazy? youre gonna have to kill em all if you take away their money, because as soon as the money goes away the riots start.

Couldn't help but notice that you're from FLA. Your own Governor is the biggest adversary to people living "on the dole" Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's the guy that said drug tests for welfare and food-stamps.....on unemployment? the state will hire you....this guy is on the right track...and I'm ready to fight the war, I'm tired of watching my tax money wasted on useless individuals that are nothing more than a tumor on our society....time to cut out the cancer

MYTraveler
03-31-2012, 08:02 PM
So whats the solution? you guys ready to fight a war against the lazy?

They aren't lazy -- they are smart (or at least rational). This is our system, and they are making it work for themselves. We have lost a generation. Illiteracy among the poor is higher than now than it was at the turn of the last century. For the sake of their children, change is necessary.

yachtaccess
03-31-2012, 09:13 PM
I agree but how do you end entitlements without having anarchy? My fear is that you would basically have to have security like when you travel to venezuela. Entitlements seem to keep the animals occupied. Well somewhat occupied. Can you imagine what day to day life might be like if we didnt placate the dregs of society?

MYTraveler
03-31-2012, 09:58 PM
I agree but how do you end entitlements without having anarchy? My fear is that you would basically have to have security like when you travel to venezuela. Entitlements seem to keep the animals occupied. Well somewhat occupied. Can you imagine what day to day life might be like if we didnt placate the dregs of society?

They aren't animals, they are people, deserving of dignity and respect. Tragically, their opportunity to be self-sufficient and to have genuine pride and self respect has been stolen from them. And, reprehensibly, their most influential leaders, like Jesse Jackson and even the President, perpetuate and exacerbate the problem, under the guise of self righteous indignation that those with a different solution are racists.

I can imagine a different system. It starts with a smaller federal government -- one that isn't involved in every aspect of our lives. IAs far as I am concerned, defense (which obviously includes border protection, and at least philosophically includes environmental defense) and commerce (ie, preventing states from erecting trade barriers between themselves, and assuring that we have a stable dollar) is about all we need it for. Let the states individually deal with "entitlements". No need to tax a guy in Iowa (or wherever) to send money to anyone is California (or wherever). We will have 50 different experiments of the best balance between economic growth, freedom governmental "entitlements". Let people vote with their feet. Twenty years of that, and we will, again, be the envy of the world.

stringle
04-01-2012, 05:06 AM
They aren't animals, they people, deserving of dignity and respect. Tragically, their opportunity to be self-sufficient and to have genuine pride and self respect has been stolen from them. And, reprehensibly, their most influential leaders, like Jesse Jackson and even the President, perpetuate and exacerbate the problem, under the guise of self righteous indignation that those with a different solution are racists.

I can imagine a different system. It starts with a smaller federal government -- one that isn't involved in every aspect of our lives. IAs far as I am concerned, defense (which obviously includes border protection, and at least philosophically includes environmental defense) and commerce (ie, preventing states from erecting trade barriers between themselves, and assuring that we have a stable dollar) is about all we need it for. Let the states individually deal with "entitlements". No need to tax a guy in Iowa (or wherever) to send money to anyone is California (or wherever). We will have 50 different experiments of the best balance between economic growth, freedom governmental "entitlements". Let people vote with their feet. Twenty years of that, and we will, again, be the envy of the world.

What he said! :thumbsup:



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