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Montauk Rocket
03-27-2012, 09:22 AM
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Think Done Deals
03-27-2012, 09:26 AM
It takes all kinds.

cgrand
03-27-2012, 10:14 AM
i'd rather be stuck with the prepped than the un-prepped


Blythe1022
03-27-2012, 10:49 AM
The millitia preppers I could stand. The ones prepairing for an anrchy type situation. The crazy people with underground bunkers, not so much. Face with living underground in an area the size of my living room with the whole family for 10 years, I hope the blast gets me.

Rival1
03-27-2012, 10:50 AM
i'd rather be stuck with the prepped than the un-prepped

You obviously have not seen the show.

Think Done Deals
03-27-2012, 11:21 AM
"Underground" is a pretty loose term.

I don't consider a few feet of dirt on top, "underground".

Eyeball
03-27-2012, 11:53 AM
If whatever apocalyptic event occurs requires me to start subsisting rather than living, i think I'd rather be taken out by it.




The thing that occurs to cause you (me/everyone) to subsist is likely to be an EMP detonated by a nuke 200-300 miles above you. The blast and the radiation will never reach you, thanks to the ozone. Suddenly, all electricity is just gone. The pumps that bring drinking water to everyone stop -- there is no running water from any tap. In 12-hrs your fridge starts to warm, food in the freezer is melting. Cars don't work. Radios and TVs are dead. Telephones and cellphones are dead. All communication is gone. You cannot contact anyone by any means (smoke signals excepted). Cops can't talk to other cops. Folks that require insulin have 3-days to live.

Day 1 - curiosity as to what happened to the electricity.

Day 2 - gangs begin forming, grocery stores raided. Drinking water becomes king.

Day 3 - total chaos in the streets. Being in a city will be like being in an all out war.

Even if you had prepped for it with a well stocked cave somewhere, it is unlikely you can reach your cave unless you make a dash for it immediate when all electricity vanishes.

An EMP detonated in outer space is the #1 threat to the US and we are not prepared for it. And death afterward is not going to be quick or pretty.

Fools Pleasure
03-27-2012, 11:58 AM
One of the recent shows was about a retired lady cop that lives about 15 miles away from Indian Point (Nuclear Plant in NY). She was afraid if something happened she would be in harms way. She had a $150,000.00 underground shelter built and purchased land north of her, about 3 hours away to bury it. ;?

My wife said "Why doesn't she just sell her house and move further away" :grin:

stringle
03-27-2012, 12:12 PM
I'd be interested to know what the OP was.
I think most folks in Florida are "preppers" to some degree. Granted, we have a few day's notice of impending weather, but who wants to be standing in gas lines, food lines, ice lines etc. on the last day? As seen on the news, some other areas had lines for water and food the very next day after a storm...:o

08087
03-27-2012, 12:13 PM
We all prepare to some extent or another, anything taken to extream is overkill and pretty unfair to the family involved.

Most of us stock some water and food in case of a huge storm oe worse but these people are ready for the world to end, I can't worry that much.

cgrand
03-27-2012, 12:15 PM
You obviously have not seen the show.

i have seen the show
i have also seen the "un-prepped" up close & personal (aug/sep 2005)

give me the preppers

stringle
03-27-2012, 12:19 PM
i have seen the show
i have also seen the "un-prepped" up close & personal (aug/sep 2005)

give me the preppers

Perzackly.

Deriso
03-27-2012, 12:21 PM
How long does this EMP outage will last? And why would it affect generators, cars, or coal fired electrical generation?

The power was out in my neighborhood about 5 years ago for 3 days due to a hurricane. From what I recall, we just all drank beer in our front yard. No gangs remember that i remember.

And yes, I understand what an EMP is. Typucslly, any interuption that they cause only occurs during their "pulse"--even pulses that occur as a by product if nuclear detonation.

I'm with you, we lost power for 18 days after Ike. We hung our clothes to dry in the front yard, and cooked on the grill. Me and my neighbors are better friends for it, I guess I missed the part where the zombies ate people.

Deriso
03-27-2012, 12:23 PM
The thing that occurs to cause you (me/everyone) to subsist is likely to be an EMP detonated by a nuke 200-300 miles above you. The blast and the radiation will never reach you, thanks to the ozone. Suddenly, all electricity is just gone. The pumps that bring drinking water to everyone stop -- there is no running water from any tap. In 12-hrs your fridge starts to warm, food in the freezer is melting. Cars don't work. Radios and TVs are dead. Telephones and cellphones are dead. All communication is gone. You cannot contact anyone by any means (smoke signals excepted). Cops can't talk to other cops. Folks that require insulin have 3-days to live.

Day 1 - curiosity as to what happened to the electricity.

Day 2 - gangs begin forming, grocery stores raided. Drinking water becomes king.

Day 3 - total chaos in the streets. Being in a city will be like being in an all out war.

Even if you had prepped for it with a well stocked cave somewhere, it is unlikely you can reach your cave unless you make a dash for it immediate when all electricity vanishes.

An EMP detonated in outer space is the #1 threat to the US and we are not prepared for it. And death afterward is not going to be quick or pretty.

How does a EMP detonated effect the electrical grid? Cell phones and radios I can see, but a sheilded wire shouldn't be affected by it.

bikem
03-27-2012, 12:23 PM
One of my friends who is a Doctor talks about the big virus and the need for an out of the way place to hide your family, food and enough ammo to keep the infected away.

Deriso
03-27-2012, 12:48 PM
:grin:

The thing that occurs to cause you (me/everyone) to subsist is likely to be an EMP detonated by a nuke 200-300 miles above you. The blast and the radiation will never reach you, thanks to the ozone. Suddenly, all electricity is just gone. The pumps that bring drinking water to everyone stop -- there is no running water from any tap. In 12-hrs your fridge starts to warm, food in the freezer is melting. Cars don't work. Radios and TVs are dead. Telephones and cellphones are dead. All communication is gone. You cannot contact anyone by any means (smoke signals excepted). Cops can't talk to other cops. Folks that require insulin have 3-days to live.

Day 1 - curiosity as to what happened to the electricity.

Day 2 - gangs begin forming, grocery stores raided. Drinking water becomes king.

Day 3 - total chaos in the streets. Being in a city will be like being in an all out war.

Even if you had prepped for it with a well stocked cave somewhere, it is unlikely you can reach your cave unless you make a dash for it immediate when all electricity vanishes.

An EMP detonated in outer space is the #1 threat to the US and we are not prepared for it. And death afterward is not going to be quick or pretty.

Eyeball
03-27-2012, 01:15 PM
How does a EMP detonated effect the electrical grid? Cell phones and radios I can see, but a shielded wire shouldn't be affected by it.


The detonation is just a nuke bomb set off in outer space, nothing more. The whole earth is protected from the blast and the radiation by way of the ozone layer, which is severely depressed by the blast into a super thin stratus. It springs back to shape downward, toward earth, and released an absolute flood of free electrons. On earth you may feel the hairs on your arms raise like with an approaching electrical/lightening storm, nothing more. Circuit breakers are designed to sense a rise in electricity, then trip. The electron wave from an EMP hitting a circuit breaker is like a tsunami hitting a single sandbag trying to hold back a flood. All circuitry is fried, permanently.

A Faradey cage will protect whatever is in it from an EMP blast.

The only time the US tested this they launch a small nuke into outer space and detonated it. Back on earth the test equipment set up to measure the wave from a small nuke was instantly fried. All communication equipment was fired. It proved to be way more powerful than estimated.

The USSR, not to be outdone, followed up with their own test with a small nuke in outer space. It fried a power plant and everything electrical in towns for a huge radius. Like the US, the USSR tried it only once. :grin:

A SCUD missile will go up a couple hundred miles. It can be launched from a container on a ship that crosses the ocean. It just needs to get near a country. N Korea has nukes, SCUDs, ships, and containers. One nuke 200 miles up, launched on a SCUD from a container will take out 1/2 of the United States.

Eyeball
03-27-2012, 01:22 PM
:grin:




My cat will so kick you cat's ass! :grin:


http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/realadam/tin3.jpg

Hollywood9s
03-27-2012, 04:01 PM
http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachments/dockside-chat/230468d1332877666-doomsday-preppers-tin-20foil-20cat-201.jpg
:grin:
Not really. A commission was appointed by the US govt after the Sept 11 terror attacks to study and make recommendations about the possibility of such an attack. The commissions findings showed that our electrical grids are extremely vulnerable, and made recommendations on how to "harden" the grids to withstand an emp attack. The recommendations were never carried out, and the commission was disbanded in 2008.
Read the commissions reports for some eye opening info.......
http://empcommission.org/

If i remember correctly, they claimed that the mega transformers that operate large swaths of the electrical grid would be fried, and they are built overseas and it takes several years to acquire one.

SurfFishLife
03-27-2012, 04:42 PM
Like we drunks say:
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Bugbuster
03-27-2012, 04:55 PM
I'm living in my bunker right now. A hardened perimeter could be finished in 48 hrs. I'll be dug in on high ground........ bring it on.

Eyeball
03-27-2012, 05:06 PM
I'm living in my bunker right now. A hardened perimeter could be finished in 48 hrs. I'll be dug in on high ground........ bring it on.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

mikeloew
03-27-2012, 06:23 PM
Not saying that ALL of these people are nuts, anything could happen. But the way I look at it, in the grand scheme of it if I was to stock pile a week or two of food, would that really accomplish anything? It seems to me that I would just be prolonging the inevitable.

wdkerek
03-27-2012, 06:29 PM
I may not last to the end......but being cajun alone I will out last many.

Hell we been eating wierd stuff and paddling to it for over a century.

Brad1
03-27-2012, 06:45 PM
Hey Edith. These here people are talking about Bunkers.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/MsPurrl/Fictional%20Characters/ArchieBunker.jpg

rowbear
03-27-2012, 08:04 PM
I may not last to the end......but being cajun alone I will out last many.

Hell we been eating wierd stuff and paddling to it for over a century.


Drop a Cajun in the swamp for 2weeks naked and he will come out fully clothed and gain 20 pounds...:grin:

AGENT86
03-27-2012, 10:41 PM
The millitia preppers I could stand. The ones prepairing for an anrchy type situation. The crazy people with underground bunkers, not so much. Face with living underground in an area the size of my living room with the whole family for 10 years, I hope the blast gets me.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::thumbsup:

AGENT86
03-27-2012, 10:43 PM
Drop a Cajun in the swamp for 2weeks naked and he will come out fully clothed and gain 20 pounds...:grin:

Swamp people...true survivors & tougher than nails!

Eyeball
03-27-2012, 11:23 PM
I may not last to the end......but being cajun alone I will out last many.

Hell we been eating wierd stuff and paddling to it for over a century.


No joke! You folks eat your own kin. :o :grin:

s_ebels
03-28-2012, 01:55 AM
I'm still waiting for Eyeballls prediction of the world economy collapsing a few weeks ago after the Greek debt settlement.

Greek debt wasn't really "settled", just postponed for a year or so. That country is a drop in the bucket compared to Portugal/Spain/Italy anyhow. Europe cannot print enough money to bail out any one of them let alone all three. We shall see in a year or two.

Deriso
03-28-2012, 04:33 AM
Not really. A commission was appointed by the US govt after the Sept 11 terror attacks to study and make recommendations about the possibility of such an attack. The commissions findings showed that our electrical grids are extremely vulnerable, and made recommendations on how to "harden" the grids to withstand an emp attack. The recommendations were never carried out, and the commission was disbanded in 2008.
Read the commissions reports for some eye opening info.......
http://empcommission.org/

If i remember correctly, they claimed that the mega transformers that operate large swaths of the electrical grid would be fried, and they are built overseas and it takes several years to acquire one.

No room for facts here... move along. :grin:

catfever24
03-28-2012, 04:33 AM
Whats the point of all that work? There`s nothing left to live for. Take me out. I`d rather move up into the next life.

Kamper
03-28-2012, 04:53 AM
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The power was out in my neighborhood about 5 years ago for 3 days ... No gangs remember that i remember. ...

I've endured longer outages without seeing major social disruptions. I think the worst case social scenarios are less likely in localised events and when the duration is expected to be short-term. When people know that help and authority are going to be missing for a long time they are more likely to act on their own impulses.

Some times this is to maintain social order and sometimes it's for selfish reasons. My observation is that eventually order is restored so it's better to be civil as much as possible.

Montauk Rocket
03-28-2012, 05:13 AM
Hey Edith. These here people are talking about Bunkers.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/MsPurrl/Fictional%20Characters/ArchieBunker.jpg

:thumbsup:

Bugbuster
03-28-2012, 05:50 AM
Yaw missing the point. Let one day go by without "LAW" enforcement. This isn't like a blizzard where the criminals are busy trying to keep from freezing to death. I know some of you are pretty slow, but just sit down and ponder the scenario. Good thing is that those who are not ready for this will be the ones who suffer the most. NOBODY is gonna take anything from me without a wicked fire fight. Tannerite and ball bearings is a muther.

Blythe1022
03-28-2012, 08:27 AM
Some of these preppers are still going to have a dooms day that the rest of us won't experience. It starts when you have no money because you spent it on all that crap. Guns and amo are the only things marketable for you to liquidate. That isn't likely to support you for long. You can't retire. You can't pay for your kid's education. The bank takes your house because you can't pay the morgage you thought you would never have to pay in full. Now you live in a hole in the ground and eat nothing but all that freeze dried food you stockpiled. That sounds like dooms day to me. I'm sure their kid's will be real happy to inherate all of that crap instead of a house and some cash/investments.
The EMP doesn't sound so bad. I lived in the woods for 6 weeks when I was 15 years old and the only electric device I had was a flashlight. I can skin a buck and run a trot line and a country boy can survive.

shemstreet
03-28-2012, 08:58 AM
Nothing against being prepared for a week or so of having to feed yourself and maybe defend against looters. The underground shelter folks who think they are actually going to last 6 months to a year are the unrealistic ones. All that might be good for is if the majority of the population is killed off in a way that your shelter can actually screen against. If not, and you are talking breakdown of society, how long do you think one of these things would last if an outside tribe came after it with a bulldozer or other heavy equipment, or blew the door in with explosives, or just poisoned the air vent. All of this stuff is going to be around and available to survivors, and a nice fully stocked bunker would make an easy target and great prize for them.

Or, survivors are the ones that organize themselves after the breakdown and go hunting bunker dwellers.

HardLivin
03-28-2012, 09:03 AM
Find a copy of Lights Out by Halffast. You should be able to find the 611 page edition in pdf using google.

It is a realistic fiction story of what "could" happen and how to survive afterwards if an EMP event occurred somewhere in the atmosphere.

Read it.

Eyeball
03-28-2012, 10:33 AM
Find a copy of Lights Out by Halffast. You should be able to find the 611 page edition in pdf using google.

It is a realistic fiction story of what "could" happen and how to survive afterwards if an EMP event occurred somewhere in the atmosphere.




It wasn't easy to find. Seems it's been published and is now available in a printed edition. It is also available as a (free?) e-reader download.

Anyways, here is the 611 page pdf version, still free: http://www.prepperlinks.net/uploads/9/0/4/0/9040002/lightsout-current.pdf

I read the first few pages, it looks good.

bluefin56
03-28-2012, 10:36 AM
The millitia preppers I could stand. The ones prepairing for an anrchy type situation. The crazy people with underground bunkers, not so much. Face with living underground in an area the size of my living room with the whole family for 10 years, I hope the blast gets me.

Thats funny....!!!;)

Eyeball
03-28-2012, 10:49 AM
Good thing is that those who are not ready for this will be the ones who suffer the most.


I'm not sure I can go along with this one, Bugbuster.





NOBODY is gonna take anything from me without a wicked fire fight. Tannerite and ball bearings is a muther.



When I was searching for the 611 page pdf of Lightsout I came across a whole bunch of prepper websites. Man, it's looking like almost everyone in the country is ready ... except me. It's less like a fire fight and more like a big party on the horizon. :grin:

Blythe1022
03-28-2012, 12:51 PM
Yaw missing the point. Let one day go by without "LAW" enforcement. This isn't like a blizzard where the criminals are busy trying to keep from freezing to death. I know some of you are pretty slow, but just sit down and ponder the scenario. Good thing is that those who are not ready for this will be the ones who suffer the most. NOBODY is gonna take anything from me without a wicked fire fight. Tannerite and ball bearings is a muther.

It's not like they were preocupied with swimming lessons in New Orleans after Katrina either. At least the thugs in my town would have to walk about 15 miles to my area during the EMP thing. Smoking all that weed ain't going to help them get to where I am. Besides that somebody has to stay home to gaurd their house and take care of great grandma. She's getting on up there in age. She will be 65 next month.

hdsurfer
03-28-2012, 01:20 PM
i'd rather be stuck with the prepped than the un-prepped:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

jobowker
03-28-2012, 01:48 PM
It's a fascinating scenario - trying to imagine what the first few days would be like. While it's true that we've lost power in the past, it was some parts of the grid, not ALL parts of the grid. Cops still had working radios. Generators kept doing their thing. Electronics would start working as soon as electricity was restored, as opposed to stuff being permanently fried.

Gun fearing liberals living in densely populated areas would be the first to go.

jobowker
03-28-2012, 05:11 PM
I just read the pdf mentioned above, but it was the 70 page excerpt only. Interesting so far, but there was a clear demonstration of the importance of guns.

805gregg
03-28-2012, 06:02 PM
Our government has had bunkers prepared with all the needs for the elite politicians for years. What do they know?

Eyeball
04-03-2012, 01:29 PM
Published by the American truckers Associations, 'When trucks Stop, America Stops". It makes you think about prepping in a different way.

http://www.truckline.com/Newsroom/White%20Papers/When%20Trucks%20Stop%20America%20Stops.pdf


A Timeline Showing the Deterioration of Major Industries Following a Truck Stoppage

The first 24 hours

• Delivery of medical supplies to the affected area will cease.
• Hospitals will run out of basic supplies such as syringes and catheters within hours. Radiopharmaceuticals will deteriorate and become unusable.
• Service stations will begin to run out of fuel.
• Manufacturers using just-in-time manufacturing will develop component shortages.
• U.S. mail and other package delivery will cease.

Within one day

• Food shortages will begin to develop.
• Automobile fuel availability and delivery will dwindle, leading to skyrocketing prices and long lines at the gas pumps.
• Without manufacturing components and trucks for product delivery,
assembly lines will shut down, putting thousands out of work.

Within two to three days

• Food shortages will escalate, especially in the face of hoarding and consumer panic.
• Supplies of essentials—such as bottled water, powdered milk, and
canned meat—at major retailers will disappear.
• ATMs will run out of cash and banks will be unable to process
transactions.
• Service stations will completely run out of fuel for autos and trucks.
• Garbage will start piling up in urban and suburban areas.
• Container ships will sit idle in ports and rail transport will be disrupted, eventually coming to a standstill.

Within a week

• Automobile travel will cease due to the lack of fuel. Without autos and busses, many people will not be able to get to work, shop for groceries, or access medical care.
• Hospitals will begin to exhaust oxygen supplies.

Within two weeks

• The nation’s clean water supply will begin to run dry.

Within four weeks

• The nation will exhaust its clean water supply and water will be safe for drinking only after boiling. As a result gastrointestinal illnesses will increase, further taxing an already weakened health care system.

This timeline presents only the primary effects of a freeze on truck travel. Secondary effects must be considered as well, such as inability to maintain telecommunications service, reduced law enforcement, increased crime, increased illness and injury, higher death rates, and likely, civil unrest.


And of course the obvious question: what would make the trucks stop?


Well, it is easy to imagine a lot of potential scenarios:

- a volcanic eruption
- a historic earthquake
- an EMP attack
- a solar megastorm
- a war
- a major terror attack
- an asteroid strike
- a killer pandemic
- mass rioting in U.S. cities
- martial law.

cgrand
04-03-2012, 03:27 PM
And of course the obvious question: what would make the trucks stop?

Well, it is easy to imagine a lot of potential scenarios:

- a volcanic eruption
- a historic earthquake
- an EMP attack
- a solar megastorm
- a war
- a major terror attack
- an asteroid strike
- a killer pandemic
- mass rioting in U.S. cities
- martial law.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SEgcOk2KwAI/Tz7bCCYNJyI/AAAAAAAAD64/_7B7mz8L3-g/s1600/ancient-aliens-it-was-aliens.jpg

Eyeball
04-03-2012, 03:37 PM
Aliens aside :grin:, look at #1 on that list. There is a lake in the Yellowstone Nat'l Park area with the dock now completely out of the water. The opposite side of the lake now has trees in the water. Think of the lake as a bowl of water ... and you lift one side of the bowl. That is what has been happening for the last 4 or 5 years as the caldera dome of the super volcano is growing. The caldera is estimated to be more than 1,500 square miles in size ... and it is rising up.

The last time Yellowstone popped off it took out 1/2 of the US and whatever corresponding part in the area of Canada. Big-ass rocks embedded in one side of a mountain 2000-miles away puzzled archeologists until they realized they came from the Yellowstone area. That volcano is building again, no idea when it will let go, but you are not gonna wanna be on this continent when it does.


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/images/2000-rbs-1.4ytspaceviewzoom_med2a.jpg

Booker
04-03-2012, 05:03 PM
I will continue to live my life free of fear of the unknown.

But you hand-wringers crack me up.

Montauk Rocket
04-03-2012, 05:19 PM
Aliens aside :grin:, look at #1 on that list. There is a lake in the Yellowstone Nat'l Park area with the dock now completely out of the water. The opposite side of the lake now has trees in the water. Think of the lake as a bowl of water ... and you lift one side of the bowl. That is what has been happening for the last 4 or 5 years as the caldera dome of the super volcano is growing. The caldera is estimated to be more than 1,500 square miles in size ... and it is rising up.

The last time Yellowstone popped off it took out 1/2 of the US and whatever corresponding part in the area of Canada. Big-ass rocks embedded in one side of a mountain 2000-miles away puzzled archeologists until they realized they came from the Yellowstone area. That volcano is building again, no idea when it will let go, but you are not gonna wanna be on this continent when it does.


http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/images/2000-rbs-1.4ytspaceviewzoom_med2a.jpg

I can't think of a better place to die...

falkon
04-03-2012, 07:22 PM
I will continue to live my life free of fear of the unknown.

But you hand-wringers crack me up.

This is the most intelligent thing I have read in this thread so far. :thumbsup:

GravyBoat
04-04-2012, 09:01 PM
How many of you "preppers" put your electronics inside a room surrounded by a Farraday cage? Zero? All talk no walk. Hell, why not just make one for your entire garage. Better yet, you should get some shipping containers and wrap them in metal screen doors. That way you can keep your pickup in there for the zombie attack.

GravyBoat
04-09-2012, 12:23 PM
This weekend had an interesting prepper. The woman had made food and eating well after a doomsday event the #1 priority. However, she was also what looked to be 80 to 100 pounds overweight. Worry about not having enough food to last years if something happens, top priority. Worry about dropping dead from a heart attack next week, no priority. I wonder which one she should be concerned with...

Kamper
04-09-2012, 12:29 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/doomsday-shelters-line-kansas-missile-silo-035247086.html

Silo condos for sale...

CLang
04-10-2012, 03:43 AM
Want to see a real doomsday?? Have the government cut off all Federal Welfare programs....no Food stamps, no welfare, no section 8, no WIC, no disability without real disabilities.....it won't be zombies that are coming to get ya, it will be the leeches.....I have enough ammo to defend my home and my property for a good while, do you?

Shag
04-10-2012, 07:35 AM
I have enough ammo to defend my home and my property for a good while, do you?

Yep. Along with dehydrated food and dehydrated water.:thumbsup:

TheRealMacGyver
04-10-2012, 08:25 AM
Yep. Along with dehydrated food and dehydrated water.:thumbsup:

One of the things that a lot of people don't realize about dehydrated water is it takes up practically no space at all!

Eyeball
04-10-2012, 10:23 AM
One of the things that a lot of people don't realize about dehydrated water is it takes up practically no space at all!


That's an excellent point. Everyone should double up on their supply of dehydrated water.

cgrand
04-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Want to see a real doomsday?? Have the government cut off all Federal Welfare programs....no Food stamps, no welfare, no section 8, no WIC, no disability without real disabilities.....it won't be zombies that are coming to get ya, it will be the leeches.....I have enough ammo to defend my home and my property for a good while, do you?

dont forget your zombie survival map

http://www.mapofthedead.com/

LI Sound Grunt
04-10-2012, 11:56 AM
I make my own dehydrated water with Hydrogen Dioxide and a microwave. It non-flammable that way.

08087
04-10-2012, 03:00 PM
That's an excellent point. Everyone should double up on their supply of dehydrated water.

I had my plumber come by and install a dry water faucet just last week, for those of you that don't know, it's the same type of water that dry cleaners use to dry clean ur clothes.

As for Zombies, set up a tread mill outside each window and turn it on, they'll never get in.

thajeffski
04-10-2012, 05:29 PM
What always gets me about this show and the people in bunkers... AIR. seriously... How could you completely seal yourself inside without air??

Maybe buy a couple 10,000 gallon tanks and compress air in them??

Deriso
04-11-2012, 05:51 AM
As for Zombies, set up a tread mill outside each window and turn it on, they'll never get in.

:grin:



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