Dockside Chat - Not so fast...union at work here???

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baypro21
03-27-2012, 03:47 AM
Before the thread got deleted I picked up on a little tidbit. You mean to tell me a crane operator can afford a twin diesel Blackfin and all the costs associated with it? How much does that job pay? Or maybe he is the crane company owner? Crane operators up north must make more than cops.:grin:


Antares13
03-27-2012, 03:52 AM
There is good money in crane opps. its not as easy as you may think.

Tainui
03-27-2012, 04:28 AM
They do. Try to imagine the responsibility handling thousands of containers and the value of each. One of our containers is worth $40k and I'm only selling juice. They break it, they bought it.

The irritable part is that you need an operator, checker, handler, labeled, scanner, and umbrella holder on hourly rate to move anything. While the rest of us do more with less, the unions have it on lock to employ 5 people to do the job of two.


08087
03-27-2012, 05:01 AM
I have a friend that owns a heavy lifting co., big buck for him to do his think, and great responsibility to go with it. Try moving a 50 ton AC unit to the roof of a building in NYC without damaging anything, not to mention permits ins etc.

jerseysportfisher
03-27-2012, 05:04 AM
Before the thread got deleted I picked up on a little tidbit. You mean to tell me a crane operator can afford a twin diesel Blackfin and all the costs associated with it? How much does that job pay? Or maybe he is the crane company owner? Crane operators up north must make more than cops.:grin:

operating Eng make big money, crane and heavy lift make even more. I would speculate deep in the six figures

twentynine
03-27-2012, 06:12 AM
Before the thread got deleted I picked up on a little tidbit. You mean to tell me a crane operator can afford a twin diesel Blackfin and all the costs associated with it? How much does that job pay? Or maybe he is the crane company owner? Crane operators up north must make more than cops.:grin:

Why shouldn't a working man be able to afford a Blackfin?

Jughed
03-27-2012, 07:15 AM
Base going rate for a crane and operator in these parts = $2500 per day. Thats just for your run of the mill boom crane.

uncljohn
03-27-2012, 07:20 AM
pretty much anyone who operates heavy machinery is well paid. There's a lot of liability in those jobs. But I could see how someone without much knowledge could assume a crane operator is low-class.

Tireless
03-27-2012, 07:25 AM
This employment services web site has dramatically different stats on the salary of a typical crane operator.

http://www1.salary.com/Crane-Tower-Operator-salary.html

IMPLiberty
03-27-2012, 07:29 AM
Wage Rates that are sitting in front of me state $53.00 to $54.45 for operator and crane handler. That's right around $100k a year.

Just from the numbers I have here.

jerseysportfisher
03-27-2012, 07:30 AM
This employment services web site has dramatically different stats on the salary of a typical crane operator.

http://www1.salary.com/Crane-Tower-Operator-salary.html

time to move

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576399563008284024.html

snapperkid
03-27-2012, 07:30 AM
Got a CDL and can be happy being bored? Go to West Texas and haul oil. 6 figures easy and they are begging.

Tainui
03-27-2012, 07:31 AM
Wage Rates that are sitting in front of me state $53.00 to $54.45 for operator and crane handler. That's right around $100k a year.

Just from the numbers I have here.

The rates I pay for a FORKLIFT operator are $89.00/hr. The driver doesn't get that, but the warehouse does.

mikeloew
03-27-2012, 08:52 AM
You could not pay me enough. This happened at our Stadium in Milwaukee. The tax payers are still paying for it today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fiixoGtM0

CaptKennyW
03-27-2012, 08:41 PM
Crane operators get good money, the union ones get even better money. Its one of those specialized trades where you cant have to many screw ups.

seabob4
03-27-2012, 08:58 PM
Before the thread got deleted I picked up on a little tidbit. You mean to tell me a crane operator can afford a twin diesel Blackfin and all the costs associated with it? How much does that job pay? Or maybe he is the crane company owner? Crane operators up north must make more than cops.:grin:

Bay, you're probably referring to Mike. He is very good at what he does, and he gets paid well for it. He puts in long hours, that I know, and, of course, that shows up in his paycheck.

From the vid Mike Loew posted, it's a bitch when planning doesn't work out...

sharktripper
03-28-2012, 05:25 AM
Our crane operators get upwards of 75.00/hr. Not including grease or climb time. Nice gig, very stressful here in NYC. Is Mike a 14 or 15 man?

sharktripper
03-28-2012, 05:33 AM
BTW, I will be subscribing to this thread, I can see tha Anti union guys headed this way. Please pass the popcorn.

gm3car1
03-28-2012, 06:16 AM
pretty much anyone who operates heavy machinery is well paid. There's a lot of liability in those jobs. But I could see how someone without much knowledge could assume a crane operator is low-class.


:thumbsup:

gm3car1
03-28-2012, 06:17 AM
BTW, I will be subscribing to this thread, I can see tha Anti union guys headed this way. Please pass the popcorn.

Yeah and I'm waiting on them, too.:trout:

Thalasso
03-28-2012, 07:48 AM
BTW, I will be subscribing to this thread, I can see tha Anti union guys headed this way. Please pass the popcorn.

;?;?;? No anti union guys on here are there ? :grin::grin::grin:

blackfinmike
03-28-2012, 09:52 AM
;?;?;? No anti union guys on here are there ? :grin::grin::grin:
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

But to answer baypro's question, I afford what I have because I help a friend install car stereo's at night's..:thumbsup:

baypro21
03-29-2012, 08:56 AM
Why shouldn't a working man be able to afford a Blackfin?


They should be able to afford a 60' Carolina custom built sportfish. IMO

I just didn't realize a crane operator was able to. I believe people should make as much money as the free market allows. I'm not a big fan of incomes being run up by non free market forces, ie unions, speculators, etc.

When a market is allowed to be manipulated it's usually the rest of the people in society that have to deal with the brunt of the expense.

baypro21
03-29-2012, 09:04 AM
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

But to answer baypro's question, I afford what I have because I help a friend install car stereo's at night's..:thumbsup:



I didn't intend and I hope you didn't take my question personally. Sparked more from curiosity.

I hate the game, not the player.

baypro21
03-29-2012, 09:06 AM
pretty much anyone who operates heavy machinery is well paid. There's a lot of liability in those jobs. But I could see how someone without much knowledge could assume a crane operator is low-class.


Low-class

You really got that from my questioning? Why don't you pull your head out? Isn't it dark and skinky in there?

idiot

Uncas
03-29-2012, 09:42 AM
Low-class

You really got that from my questioning? Why don't you pull your head out? Isn't it dark and skinky in there?

idiot

Excellent response......you nailed it....!!!!

blackfinmike
03-29-2012, 03:42 PM
I didn't intend and I hope you didn't take my question personally. Sparked more from curiosity.

I hate the game, not the player.


Well then I will answer you totally serious, as Bob stated, I work a ton of hours, up at 4am everyday, this includes Saturday's and Sunday's when I work weekends, which is very often..

I am non-union, I don't like buying a Cadillac's for delegates (although there is one in my driveway though).


I made well north of 200k last year, food for thought though, a cell phone ticket costs 8k.... :grin:

baypro21
03-29-2012, 05:08 PM
:thumbsup:

;cool;

LI Sound Grunt
03-29-2012, 05:32 PM
Good for you Mike :thumbsup:

Now we need some levity. Remember the post where the crane falls into the house trying to set a swimmingpool? Can someone find it?

jebsurf
03-29-2012, 05:37 PM
I'm a crane operator for ILA(longshoreman) LOCAL 970 here at NIT in norfolk. Whats your question....?.... Do I get paid well? Its funny you bring this up as we get a nice big raise Monday. ;) lol

baypro21
03-29-2012, 06:02 PM
I'm a crane operator for ILA(longshoreman) LOCAL 970 here at NIT in norfolk. Whats your question....?.... Do I get paid well? Its funny you bring this up as WE get a nice big raise Monday. ;) lol


Merited or not I gather

jebsurf
03-29-2012, 06:07 PM
Merited or not I gather

LOL yes WE do. :thumbsup: . Every second/container I move is a threat to my life and my family. I get paid well because of the risk that goes with the job. We lost a longshoreman on the job yesterday(true story). One that fell and don't get to go home. I've seen it quite a few times in my 9 years being on the waterfront. Its usually 1 a year

baypro21
03-29-2012, 06:22 PM
So you are saying everyone you work with deserves the raise? That's incredible and goes against human nature. Maybe you work with a bunch of anomalies though, good.


One last disadvantage to union membership is that members can be fined or otherwise disciplined by their union for engaging in activities, which, in the union's opinion, are "unbecoming" of union members or which violate the union's constitution and by-laws. Examples of such activities may include crossing a picket line during a strike, exceeding production quotas, or seeking to be represented by a different union. The fines assessed against offending employees can be substantial and are judicially enforceable. Non-members, however, are not subject to any union discipline and private-sector employees may resign from unions at any time in order to avoid union rules and any possible resulting fines.46

I could never be a part of an organization with this mentality, but then again I'm able to think for myself.

jebsurf
03-29-2012, 06:34 PM
So you are saying everyone you work with deserves the raise? That's incredible and goes against human nature. Maybe you work with a bunch of anomalies though, good.

Yeah I see no problem with it. I mean it takes unfairness out of it. (examples)When you hit 3 years ...you get a raise....when you hit 5 years...you get a raise ect. I like it better that way so you dont get that "minority" that says he is calling the labor board because his boss is a racist(or whatever excuse he has). If they are that much of a screw up...yes you can/will get fired. Then you don't get a raise or a job. lol



One last disadvantage to union membership is that members can be fined or otherwise disciplined by their union for engaging in activities, which, in the union's opinion, are "unbecoming" of union members or which violate the union's constitution and by-laws. Examples of such activities may include crossing a picket line during a strike, exceeding production quotas, or seeking to be represented by a different union. The fines assessed against offending employees can be substantial and are judicially enforceable. Non-members, however, are not subject to any union discipline and private-sector employees may resign from unions at any time in order to avoid union rules and any possible resulting fines.46

Your statement here is not accurate. There is SOME truth to what you are telling but not as extreme as you are making it sound. Yes charges can be brought up with in the union. Like if I get sick tonight and I am already ordered up for a job tomm and I call in for someone to take it and that guy says he will be there to cover it and he never shows up for the job....that falls back on me. Why shouldn't he be held responsible when he told me that he had it covered...?... Yes I could bring him up on charges for doing that to me.I'm pretty sure you would do the same right?


I could never be a part of an organization with this mentality, but then again I'm able to think for myself.

And as for "but then again I'm able to think for myself" lol you are SADLY mistaken if you think I have a mindless job. I will bet you 1 years salary that you couldn't do my job at the pace of 1/5th of the slowest guy on our crew.... and I would give you 2 months to learn it. Justsayn


Ask away.... I will get you straight ;) no hard feelings

Because Boat
03-29-2012, 06:49 PM
I'm a government employee in a union. If our raises weren't determined at the bargaining table then we'd be stuck at our starting salaries forever. There are too many employees and too many variables to even consider moving to merit based pay increases. When you have 350,000 employees, it's easier to budget when you know you've got to fork out X amount of $$ over the next 4 years. And not all union workers are permitted to strike.

jebsurf
03-29-2012, 06:54 PM
I'm a government employee in a union. If our raises weren't determined at the bargaining table then we'd be stuck at our starting salaries forever. There are too many employees and too many variables to even consider moving to merit based pay increases. When you have 350,000 employees, it's easier to budget when you know you've got to fork out X amount of $$ over the next 4 years. And not all union workers are permitted to strike.

We fall here. We can NOT "strike". But there are other things that we can do if things get ugly. But then again we dont need to strike. Here we get along with management just fine. They enjoy us actually



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