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motttocs
03-26-2012, 06:35 PM
I'm ordering my new boat this weekend. It is a 2012 Sea Hunt Ultra 211. I asked the dealer to price and install the following: Lowrance HDS-7 GEN2 Insight 50/200 KHZ/ with the LSS-1 Structure scan module with transducer, and a vhf radio. I was quoted for ten hours for installation. Does this sound like it's in the ball park?


Fcal
03-26-2012, 06:42 PM
I just installed a second display, radar, two VHF antennas, a second VHF, nmea wiring, fuse block, breaker, etc etc.
Install took me about 12 hours and I'm not a professional. I'd say 10 hours for your job is a little high.

semperfifishing
03-26-2012, 06:46 PM
[quote=motttocs;4477251 I was quoted for ten hours for installation. [/quote]

That must include lunch.....


Glen E
03-26-2012, 07:10 PM
high by 3 ....maybe more....

skyliner4444
03-26-2012, 09:34 PM
That must include lunch.....

and dinner...

looneytunes
03-27-2012, 08:52 AM
On my Seaswirl 2301 walk around. I just did an HDS-8 with 3G radar, Structure Scan and regular transducer, + lss1 module. I am super anal about clean neat installs. It took me about 4 hours but I had problems running transducer cables. That included removing my old radar, fishfinder, and gps.

A pro should be able to do the job in about 3 hours. If not, look elsewhere.

I would look more in terms of $. I would says about $300 is a good price to pay for install, but that is just me.

Good Luck

Dave

saltfever
03-27-2012, 09:25 AM
our new Sea Hunt bay boat with HDS10 with side scan dash mounted---HDS 5 up front---vhf radio install---nema 2000 install---mount trolling motor. estimated between 10---12 hrs. $1200

maxim1010
03-27-2012, 09:28 AM
2-3 hours max! Look elsewhere..

Rabender
03-27-2012, 03:07 PM
I just ordered a Ultra 211 last month also! I asked my dealer about installing the HDS-8 Gen 2 with LSS-2, LVR-250 radio with Shakespeare antenna..... They also quoted me 10 hours @ $109 an hour...... Needless to say, I am installing it myself. Good luck with the boat!

motttocs
03-27-2012, 06:34 PM
Rabender, Did you get your Ultra from NJ Outboards by chance? The dollar amount and time is the same for me.

Marian
03-27-2012, 06:46 PM
and dinner...

HAHA that is exactly what I was thinking :thumbsup:

dreamin-on
03-27-2012, 07:48 PM
I'm ordering my new boat this weekend. It is a 2012 Sea Hunt Ultra 211. I asked the dealer to price and install the following: Lowrance HDS-7 GEN2 Insight 50/200 KHZ/ with the LSS-1 Structure scan module with transducer, and a vhf radio. I was quoted for ten hours for installation. Does this sound like it's in the ball park?

If you are "ordering" a boat or in other words having one "built" for you, there should not be any labor charge for the installation of those items. Those items are "options" just like all the other goodies that are being added on in your build.

But that's only my opinion.

Following C
03-28-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm ordering my new boat this weekend. It is a 2012 Sea Hunt Ultra 211. I asked the dealer to price and install the following: Lowrance HDS-7 GEN2 Insight 50/200 KHZ/ with the LSS-1 Structure scan module with transducer, and a vhf radio. I was quoted for ten hours for installation. Does this sound like it's in the ball park?
You might also ask him if his price included his written warrantly liability statement for the installation the transducers.

Buoy Scout
03-28-2012, 06:35 PM
Assuming a solid fiberglass hull (i.e., not cored), and bracket mounted gear, and readily available circuits, then that quote might be high. If you are flush mounting everything, running new power, installing switches or breakers, and interfacing the VHF to the plotter, then 10 hours is cheap.

savage
03-28-2012, 08:04 PM
I asked the dealer to price and install the following: Lowrance HDS-7 GEN2 Insight 50/200 KHZ/ with the LSS-1 Structure scan module with transducer, and a vhf radio. I was quoted for ten hours for installation.

I am certain that some of the members here will do you a better job, use expert technique and connections, teach you a thing or two about the operation of these components, and get that EASY installation done in about three hours. And probably charge a fraction of the stealership's price.

Where are you located?

Rabender
03-29-2012, 06:24 AM
Rabender, Did you get your Ultra from NJ Outboards by chance? The dollar amount and time is the same for me.

Yup! I'll PM you!

yachtjim
03-29-2012, 07:10 AM
Can somebody take a time lapsed video of this install so we can see it happen over 3 hours? I am just curious. We get to fix installs like this almost every day, so it would be nice to see one in the making.

SIM
03-29-2012, 07:13 AM
Can somebody take a time lapsed video of this install so we can see it happen over 3 hours? I am just curious. We get to fix installs like this almost every day, so it would be nice to see one in the making.


:rofl::rofl:

tmost
03-29-2012, 08:51 AM
I was quoted 14 hrs to install just the g3 radar at 95 per hr.

Considering what they are installing for you, in my area your quoted seems like

A deal. Guess i need to take out a second mortgage to have the radar install

Or just hope for the best.

budbrande
03-29-2012, 08:51 AM
Sounds more like a 6 hour job to me. I flush mounted my HDS-10 Gen2, installed the LSS-1, and interfaced to my VHF in the electronics box in about that much time. This included fishing wiring through the top and being very neat with the wiring and making it look pretty which is something I enjoy doing!

Danny33486
03-29-2012, 09:15 AM
Figure at the bare min with no issues at all
30 min set up
45 min measure and cut and clean up dust
45 min mounting
1 hour to mount VHF antenna and fish cable to console
1.5 hour to cut wires, zip tie, heat shrink crimp connect NMEA and make look pretty
??? for transducers this could take 1 hour or could take 4 depending if it all works and is in the right spots ...

So around 6 plus is a very good estimate - After going through the quote is a lot more than the stuff costs process a few months ago I did it myself -- But in this case it is hard to take a jigsaw to a brand new boat!

looneytunes
03-29-2012, 10:24 AM
I have to agree with YachtJim (BOE Marine). I bet he does see a fair amount of fixing botched installs. It is very easy to botch an install.

For Example: The Lowrance 3G Radar stays on all the time. Minimal battery drain but still it is on all the time. So a lot of people who did their own installs with weak batteries are going to have a rude awakening. I installed the 3G radar with a switch so when it is off it is off and ONLY on when I turn it on. That is the switch in this picture.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/looneytunes-albums-electronics-sale-picture58748-img-4646-1.jpg


http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/looneytunes-albums-electronics-sale-picture58749-img-4647-1.jpg

Also, you have to know that the LSS1 Structure Scan is always on. You have to connect the yellow “wake up” cable to either an open accessory switch or the Yellow wire on the HDS unit if you want the Structure scan to be on only when connected to the HDS. These are the little traps that will get the weekend warrior (I am a weekend warrior) in trouble. I actually visually checked the LSS1 module to see if it is on. With the yellow wire it is only on when the HDS head unit is on. So, read carefully, use a volt meter to check when you think things are off.

I don’t think this changes the fact that the job can be done in less than 10 hours (How much is open for debate) BUT it certainly speaks volumes that if you are not sure or don’t know enough, PAY THE PRO! It is not as simple as it looks. There are lots of considerations like connecting to switches to prevent battery drain.

One benefit of doing the job yourself is that you can be as anal as you want to make your job better than pro quality. I am a fanatic about labeling every wire I run and using cable managers. It makes trouble shooting in the future a snap. I remember in my E-box my AM/FM stereo stopped working. I followed the tagged and labeled wires and resolved the issue in under 10 seconds. Below is my own wire management. I screwed and glued a piece of starboard to a wall and every wire that I ran gets labeled and wire tied to this. What you don’t see is everything going to this board is in a cable manager. So, I know if I have problems with radar power versus radar data I don’t have to touch or try to trace tons of wires. The wire is labeled in the manager and in my Blue Seas fuse box. NO MUSS NO FUSS.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/looneytunes-albums-electronics-sale-picture58737-img-0477.jpg

motttocs
03-29-2012, 11:15 AM
After receiving my invoice from the dealer the cost of installation appears to be free. They also gave me a good price on the electronics. The install of the HDS-7 and VHF will be flush mounted. Off to a good start with the dealer! Thanks for the replys.

Rabender
03-29-2012, 11:44 AM
After receiving my invoice from the dealer the cost of installation appears to be free. They also gave me a good price on the electronics. The install of the HDS-7 and VHF will be flush mounted. Off to a good start with the dealer! Thanks for the replys.

Did you pick up your Ultra yet? Was the VHF mounted in the electronics box? any pictures?

Salty1!
03-29-2012, 12:06 PM
Must be priced somewhere in the final cost. Hey Looney - thanks for the tips!!!!!

motttocs
03-29-2012, 02:58 PM
I "ordered" or am having my boat "built". It wont be ready til late may or early June. I'm having them place the VHF in the electronics box. As far as the hidden cost for installation, I agreed on the price without electronics then they matched my price for the units. Nothing tacked on for install.

auntiepaula
03-29-2012, 06:01 PM
Looney: Great info and excellent work!

seabob4
03-29-2012, 06:09 PM
2-3 hours max! Look elsewhere..

Ummm....you ever done this before?

nsh
03-29-2012, 07:25 PM
Ummm....you ever done this before?

No chit!

Mid Shore Electronics
03-30-2012, 12:43 PM
do you have to move any pre-existing equipment?

Are transducers thru-hull?

I'de say about 8 hours from experience (no drivetime to and from vessel)

MikeBador
03-31-2012, 02:20 PM
This thread is very interesting... End users on one side, thinking this can be done in 3 hours or less, and dealers on the other that are more in lines of 6 to 10 hours.
Like it was mentioned above, I would LOVE to see a video of an install in less than 3 hours, per ABYC and NMEA standard of course.
Why is it that people think they are more efficient than someone that does this for a living?
Personally, I would charge $700, for both VHF and HDS flush mounted, and both ducers (transom mount).
One thing I would like to bring to the table. If the end user install himself and there is issues, the manufacturer won't pay any labor to get it fixed.
If it is installed by a reputable company, you are more than likely going to receive parts and labor warranty.
Sometimes saving a hundred bucks up front is not worth it down the road. Get it installed by a company and avoid the headaches. Of course, get a couple of quotes to make sure it's within reasons.

Harbor27
03-31-2012, 04:06 PM
To bad you cant get group deals on installs. Im not far from you and also ordered a Sea Hunt and would like the same package. Not sure if I will be able to pony up 1K plus for install after buying the equipment.

seabob4
03-31-2012, 08:51 PM
Let's look at some pics. Lowrance Radar, HDS-10, Structure Scan, Sirius Radio, Lowrance VHF, Sonic Hub...

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23016.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23014-1.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23144.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23065.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23005-1.jpg

And that's not all. Does anybody have a clue as to how long it takes to install electronics, do it right, integrate into the existing boat's wiring? The finished product...

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23004-3.jpg

Let's see that done in 16 hours, let alone 8...

Flot
04-01-2012, 05:06 AM
It really depends on what you have to work with, and the quality of the completed job.

I'll often get "I want to play with it now" syndrome and it may take me 1-2 hours to do a quick install of something. Then 3-4 hours later to clean it up. I did that with my batteries - round one "getting it servicable" was about 3 hours, round two "doing it right" was about 5 hours - honestly I could use another 2-3 hours of making it pretty but that will have to wait.

looneytunes
04-01-2012, 03:31 PM
Let's look at some pics. Lowrance Radar, HDS-10, Structure Scan, Sirius Radio, Lowrance VHF, Sonic Hub...





http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23144.jpg



http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23005-1.jpg

And that's not all. Does anybody have a clue as to how long it takes to install electronics, do it right, integrate into the existing boat's wiring? The finished product...

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/Cape%20Horn%2023/CapeHorn23004-3.jpg

Let's see that done in 16 hours, let alone 8...


Seabob,

Beautiful install. Love the flush mount. I would add an extra hour or two for flush mounting.

I don't mean to bust chops, BUT holy crap, If I had that much room to work with I could literally finish the job in about 2 hours (on the boat in your photo) barring any problems running the transducer cables. And I am sure that boat has good cable chases to minimize or even eliminate that problem.

My whole setup is in super tight confined space where my hands just barely fit. Which is why it took me so long (around 3 hours). If I had that much open space I would have been done in half the time. Seriously. All that neatness in their is from the factory. The HDS system added about 6 cables (LSS1 xducer, LSS1 Power, regular xducer to HDS, enet cable from hds to lss1, power cable from hds.) to an already neat setup.

Think about it, wiring is fairly simple. 5 or 6 cables and 8 wires.

Wires to fuse panel:
(4 wires) Power to LSS1 - + Yellow wake up wire connection
(4 wires) Power to HDS-8 - + Yelow and ground (from NMEA cable) to provide coordinates to my VHF

CABLES: Transducer and Enet cables
2 transducer cables (1 to the HDS and 1 to the LSS1)
1 enet cable (1 cable from HDS)
1 hds power cable
1 lss1 power cable

In addition to hds8 and lss1, My install also included a 3g radar. It took me 3 hours to do the lss1 and hds and an additional hour to do the 3g radar and radar power switch.

With all that said, I would probably add as much as 2 hours for a flush mount depending how much glass work. AND if the transducers were through hulls then you are talking big hours. BUT standard tansom mount is simple and fast.

Every boat must be charged accrodingly but 10 hours ????????? A quality pro job can be done in a few hours.

If anything, this thread has convinced me to look into what it would take to get certified to install marine electronics. I wonder how much the liability insurance will be, too. Hopefully, I can get this done soon. I love boats and boating and would like to start in the business. I always thought there was no money in installing electronics. Obviously, I am sooo wrong. Hopefully the red tape will be minimal and I can get this thing off the ground within a couple of weeks.

I also like doing stereos, vhf, spot lights, etc. This is my ebox 3/4 the way through the install. I should take a recent pic. The pic below is before the job was completed. It looks even neater now. Every single cable has a label and is in the wire manager.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/looneytunes-albums-dave-picture30171-a.jpg

Nautiguy
05-24-2012, 08:56 AM
I just had a Lowrance HDS 7 installed on my 2012 Sea Hunt Ultra 211. They charged for 1.5 hours

starbright55
05-24-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm thinking as long as I plan/diagram everything in advance and have all of the proper materials on hand, this (HDS-7, LSS-1, Fusion 200) shouldn't be that hard.

On the other hand, I've thought about doing the flush mounting of the (a) HDS-7 & Fusion myself, (b) the mounting of the LSS-1 black box, and (c) the mounting or the LSS-1 & 50/200 transducers. Then, have having a pro come in for 2 hours to make sure the wiring is done and get a warranty on the wiring

dreamin-on
05-24-2012, 10:55 AM
It took me 4 days to swap a gps/chartplotter/transducer and install and test an autopilot.

Brutus272
05-24-2012, 01:44 PM
Rabender, Did you get your Ultra from NJ Outboards by chance? The dollar amount and time is the same for me.

I ordered my SH Triton 210 from My local dealer too :roll

I was quoted $2,900.00 for
Garmin 740s
GX1150 VHF
Shakespear 8' antenna and mount
Ducer, misc hardware and labor.

My issue is, i dont have a trailer, and the boats needs to be out of water to instasll the ducer. When i take delivery, its going directly into the water. So there is no dry dock time after they hand over the keys.

Danny33486
05-24-2012, 01:55 PM
;? $2900 for the install or for all the stuff and the install?? $2900 is a lot of coin for that installation - which is pretty straight forward.

Brutus272
05-24-2012, 02:37 PM
;? $2900 for the install or for all the stuff and the install?? $2900 is a lot of coin for that installation - which is pretty straight forward.

All in!

Danny33486
05-24-2012, 02:40 PM
All in!

I would rent a trailer for the day for the ducer.



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