Dockside Chat - ****The Official Jimmy Page Thread****

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ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 05:50 AM
He just deserves his own thread!

One of the greatest if not the greatest rock composer and guitarist of all time. At 68 years old he is still has it. It must be his 35 year old wife keeping him young. Here he is with his No. 1 Standard Les Paul in a clip from "It might Get Loud" which I highly recommend seeing if you like Jimmy Page. Listen to the overdriven tone in this clip. I wish I could get that sound out of my Les Paul and my amp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDsbOraiqg&list=FLSnssUvIloYYGpLQVNY8Bxw&index=1&feature=plpp_video


tinmarine
03-26-2012, 05:54 AM
Never could stand the sound of his voice. His and John Fogerty is like nails on a chaulk board.

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 05:56 AM
Never could stand the sound of his voice. His and John Fogerty is like nails on a chaulk board.

He never sand a single recorded word. He doesn't sing.


cycler
03-26-2012, 08:33 AM
Someone on the Les Paul Forum once said he would cut off one of his nuts, with a rusty box cutter, with a dull blade, to have 1/2 of JPs guitar playing ability. A bit much for me, but, the first two LZ albums are among the best ever. IMHO

SeaJay
03-26-2012, 09:46 AM
Never could stand the sound of his voice. His and John Fogerty is like nails on a chaulk board.

I believe you are confusing him with Led Zep's front man, Robert Plant.

tinmarine
03-26-2012, 10:46 AM
I believe you are confusing him with Led Zep's front man, Robert Plant.

That's it. My apologies.

08087
03-26-2012, 12:32 PM
He was fine until he sold out to Puff Daddy Diddy to play on the bastardized version of Kashmir that P Diddy Daddy rapped to..all for a horrible Godzilla remake.

What happened..after 40+ years of LedZeppelin royalties, concerts and merch money, did Page spend all his cash?
Didn't hear the recording but maybe he just wanted to try something new, keep busy, who knows. Being rich can be boring.

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 01:11 PM
He was fine until he sold out to Puff Daddy Diddy to play on the bastardized version of Kashmir that P Diddy Daddy rapped to..all for a horrible Godzilla remake.

What happened..after 40+ years of LedZeppelin royalties, concerts and merch money, did Page spend all his cash?

Yeah.. it's so clear to me how that situation singularly destroys his 53 years of credibility as an incredible song writer and guitarist. :roll

Actually it just the continuing legacy of his perseverance to innovation. Some work. Some don't. That's how it goes.

08087
03-26-2012, 02:27 PM
I really like Zeppelin, but I'd say the outright stealing of many of Zeppelin's hits did more to damage his credibility than selling out to a rapper did.

There are 8 basic chords, the rest are variations from them, if we went over my library of music I could point out to you any number of melodies that are taken, barrowed from other groups, Tom Petty took from the Stones, everyone copies Bo Didly (spelling) and the list goes on.

Everyone would love to say their music is an "all original" composition but they simply cannot be.

I think Jimmy did great studio work, he was a master of overdubbing, however I think he fell short live, he should have used an offstage or backup guitar player to cover the rhythms when he was playing lead, the bass just can't fill in all the gaps.

Mersiles
03-26-2012, 03:30 PM
I think Jimmy did great studio work, he was a master of overdubbing, however I think he fell short live, he should have used an offstage or backup guitar player to cover the rhythms when he was playing lead, the bass just can't fill in all the gaps.


He and JPJ were studio guys. To the OP, if you think Page is holding up well check out John Paul Jones (he was the "old man" in LZ) in this clip rocking with some younger dudes. :thumbsup:

http://youtu.be/P2XH5KrrPw8

Schmaltz~Herring
03-26-2012, 03:31 PM
Never could stand the sound of his voice. His and John Fogerty is like nails on a chaulk board.



Other than a few great hits, they sound the same, he's a better entertainer than singer.

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 04:28 PM
There are 8 basic chords, the rest are variations from them, if we went over my library of music I could point out to you any number of melodies that are taken, barrowed from other groups, Tom Petty took from the Stones, everyone copies Bo Didly (spelling) and the list goes on.

Everyone would love to say their music is an "all original" composition but they simply cannot be.

I think Jimmy did great studio work, he was a master of overdubbing, however I think he fell short live, he should have used an offstage or backup guitar player to cover the rhythms when he was playing lead, the bass just can't fill in all the gaps.

There are more than 8 basic chords. I can name of 60 off the top of my head. Major chords, minor chords, 7th chords, 7th minor and 7th major. Playing the guitar is more than playing chords. There are 7 notes and the guitar neck has either 22 and 24 frets. That's two octaves. The combinations of notes is probably in the millions.

Rock music goes back the Robert Johnson. He was the influence for contemporary rock music.

Some of Led Zeppelin songs have 3 guitar tracks like Ten Years Gone. John Paul Jones filled in on the guitar and mandolin when required. I play a lot of Led Zeppelin and you pick the dominant melody and play that.

A lot of his shows were sloppy. He was a heroin addict and it showed in his performances. When he got clean his performances sounded like the record. Check that video and you'll see his abilities. But beyond that the complexity of the music he wrote has no equal in rock.

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 04:30 PM
There's no doubt they stole many of their songs from old blues and even contemporaries of theirs. Just buy chance "arranging" Stairway to Heaven, and have it sound identical to another song from a band called Spirit and their song, Taurus, wasn't an accident or by chance, it was downright theivery.

Like I said..I really like Zeppelin-I think i have most of their CD's and 2 of their box sets--and no one played what they did better--but let's be real and call it for what it was.

So if we do away with the licks JP stole we are left with nothing? The 98% of the remaining music loses it's credibility?

nevermind...
03-26-2012, 05:09 PM
He just deserves his own thread!

One of the greatest if not the greatest rock composer and guitarist of all time.

His production skills made him a good player. Great or greatest guitarist? IMHO, no way. A fine example of how to make millions while wasting your best years in a drugged and drunken stupor.

08087
03-26-2012, 05:09 PM
I do like all the "educating" I'm getting here, and I mean to say 7 basic must have hit the wrong key. They rest are deviations of those chords, (I don't want to argue the point but if you add minors, majors, 7's etc they are all offshoots of the basic chord).

I am also well aware of Jimmy's history with drugs and his studio days, some of his best work was done at the mixing board and yes I also knew that JPJ played a as fill in and even on stage for certain acoustic cuts.

I'm with you (however you may be) in saying he is one of the all time best rock guitar players, as for barrowing from others, like I said you can pick out any artist of any substance and find music barrowed from others. We can agree to disagree on how much or how little.

HDTBC
03-26-2012, 06:10 PM
I think Jimmy did great studio work, he was a master of overdubbing, however I think he fell short live, he should have used an offstage or backup guitar player to cover the rhythms when he was playing lead, the bass just can't fill in all the gaps. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Completely agree after '75 or so.....but he was still right on in TSRTS. And I don't know what else happened....his playing was never the same after Presence (and even that showed signs of his descent)......probably burnt out.

He and JPJ were studio guys. To the OP, if you think Page is holding up well check out John Paul Jones (he was the "old man" in LZ) in this clip rocking with some younger dudes. :thumbsup:


JPJ's contribution to Zep was greatly underrated......it irked me something fierce when JP and RP left him out of the MTV unplugged gig.

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 06:29 PM
I have to ask.... how many people here play guitar and I don't mean sitting around the camp fire. Hands?

08087
03-26-2012, 06:33 PM
I have to ask.... how many people here play guitar and I don't mean sitting around the camp fire. Hands?
Does playing other instruments like Piano count? Or do you want to put together a gig of THT'ers?

ThreeLittleFish
03-26-2012, 06:50 PM
Yes.. that would count. As a musician you don't see the complexity of the music. The genius? I mean we're talking about the undisputed most successful rock act of all time and a guitarist who is in the top ten of any guitar list you can find. When they got back together to do the 02 Arena show in 2007 they sold out in 2 minutes. They had over 20 million people tried to get tickets for a band that hasn't played since 1980. Forget about his playing and pretend he never picked up a guitar. His music composition is unique and multidimensional. Almost every rock band since Led Zeppelin has been influenced by them is some way. You guys are kidding me right?

08087
03-26-2012, 08:05 PM
Yes.. that would count. As a musician you don't see the complexity of the music. The genius? I mean we're talking about the undisputed most successful rock act of all time and a guitarist who is in the top ten of any guitar list you can find. When they got back together to do the 02 Arena show in 2007 they sold out in 2 minutes. They had over 20 million people tried to get tickets for a band that hasn't played since 1980. Forget about his playing and pretend he never picked up a guitar. His music composition is unique and multidimensional. Almost every rock band since Led Zeppelin has been influenced by them is some way. You guys are kidding me right?

I'm not sure what ur beef is here? I think Jimmy Page is a great guitar player, I also think he had a unique insight as to putting together tracks in a studio to make them sound even better, (I'm sure you know he produced all their music). All that said of "popular" bands or guitar players JP is one of the best, but I also know there are dozens of guys that never get discovered or become popular that can teach Jimmy a thing or two. To think otherwise is completely arrogant (not saying you are).

One reason LZ sold out so fast is that they didn't fade away, they just called it quits one day, no doubt the beatles would have sold out the same if they could come together again.

HDTBC
03-27-2012, 05:30 AM
I'm not sure what the beef is either......he was an amazing guitarist, musician, etc., one of the best ever....but his playing skills were ravaged by drugs and booze by the late 70s. I listen to LZ all the time.....along with Pat Metheny, Larry Carlton, Johnny A, Steely Dan, Dire Straits, Sabbath, Miles, Merle, Buck, Mozart, Bach, Haydn and the list goes on.....everything but pop and hip hop.



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