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jerseysportfisher
03-22-2012, 07:33 AM
So my son had a pedal tractor, which i have converted to a electric kart. Using a wiper motor and chain drive along with other various parts laying around it turned out well. He cruised around about 9 mph, had a blast. WE then blasted into the curb exploding the nylon ring gear. I'm trying to find a 12vdc steel geared worm drive to rebuild it with, apparently the don't seem to exist ? I have found a gear reduction motor for scooters, which will require me to build a chain reduction system as the output is 250 rpm higher then i need. The old setup was 50 rpm after final drive. Any one have any ideas on a heavy duty setup for a 5 year ol boy ?


freedbaby
03-22-2012, 07:57 AM
I have no ideas for you as for the fix but my brute 5 year old son has a pedal cart, has an electric HotWheels that is a POS (cant even go through the grass) and the only thing I found that he loves and cant really break is his Honda TRX90. Its governed, he cant reach the pedals so he cant shift gears, the brakes and the gas are all on the handle bars and he is having a blast. He listens, he's careful and is respectful of the machine and his FOX helmet is a must.

I hear what you are saying though...its a shame someone doesn't make a heavy duty HotWheels.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557607_10150685800146308_507296307_9277409_9851882 22_n.jpg

jerseysportfisher
03-22-2012, 08:16 AM
Here it was before the voltage upgrade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWbe_dShKqM&feature=youtu.be


beenie
03-22-2012, 08:26 AM
I've used fan blower motors with belt drives to power some of my key machines. With various pulleys you can get your speed set ok but I don't know if rheostat would work well with that motor for throttle control. Just an idea. Good luck with the project.
Mike

notgottaboatyet
03-22-2012, 08:27 AM
2 dad of the year nominees. Looks like Hella fun for all involved. My son is almost ready for a peddle trike or something along those lines can't wait.

jerseysportfisher
03-22-2012, 08:29 AM
2 dad of the year nominees. Looks like Hella fun for all involved. My son is almost ready for a peddle trike or something along those lines can't wait.

This has been the biggest hit other then the Wii. He rides the sh!t out of this

http://www.harborfreight.com/all-terrain-tricycle-37292.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_15818.jpg

notgottaboatyet
03-22-2012, 08:41 AM
^ I'm sold. Going this weekend

TheRealMacGyver
03-22-2012, 09:41 AM
This has been the biggest hit other then the Wii. He rides the sh!t out of this

http://www.harborfreight.com/all-terrain-tricycle-37292.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_15818.jpg

X2:thumbsup:

Bought one for my son at Tractor Supply, was about 60-70 bucks. He cruises all over the backyard with it. They also have a peddle go-cart I've been eyeing. It goes for about $200 though. Working on a zipline right now! Will post pic/video when I'm done.

jerseysportfisher
03-22-2012, 10:24 AM
just found steel drive worm gear setup, 8 more ft/lbs then the original setup, and 5 more rpm. Should be good for 12 mph plastic tire burning power !!!!

if anyone is looking AM equipment in oregon. THey make Marine wipers motors for ships/boats as well

yachtjim
03-22-2012, 05:51 PM
Vehicles for kids. Dads after my own heart!! Here is my kid at 2 in his Polaris that does 10MPH. And then at 3 in his Emiick Kid Kart that we have turned up to about 25 at this point. I'll try to post a vid later. And before the safety police jump on me he does not get within 10' of the Kart without his cacoon of safety gear, all the best stuff. He likes RC cars too like his dad does.

notgottaboatyet
03-22-2012, 06:00 PM
^badass kid. Anyone want an immediate grandson they could adopt me and have one by default.

jerseysportfisher
03-23-2012, 04:13 AM
Vehicles for kids. Dads after my own heart!! Here is my kid at 2 in his Polaris that does 10MPH. And then at 3 in his Emiick Kid Kart that we have turned up to about 25 at this point. I'll try to post a vid later. And before the safety police jump on me he does not get within 10' of the Kart without his cacoon of safety gear, all the best stuff. He likes RC cars too like his dad does.

That cart is bad ass ? did you step up the voltage in the polaris ? Mine plays with the clodbuster for about 10 minutes, then get more enjoyment chasing it around. He does like indoor heli's, that keeps him entertained until the batteries go dead. And we go back in forth between legos and rokenbok

swifty
03-23-2012, 04:21 AM
^ I'm sold. Going this weekend

Hek me too...I'm off today and gonna surprise my son tonight. And you guys almost almost have me convinced on a zip line too. :thumbsup: Sheesh this place amazes me some times.


Great post jersey..

notgottaboatyet
03-23-2012, 05:09 AM
Hek me too...I'm off today and gonna surprise my son tonight. And you guys almost almost have me convinced on a zip line too. :thumbsup: Sheesh this place amazes me some times.


Great post jersey..

I'll go tomorrow when I get off work, hunting some striper this afternoon.

swifty
03-23-2012, 05:33 AM
I'll go tomorrow when I get off work, hunting some striper this afternoon.

Well just rub some salt in the wounds why don't ya. :grin: I'm off but won't be fishin! ;? Good luck out there today. :thumbsup:

THT Mod 2
03-23-2012, 06:08 AM
Vehicles for kids. Dads after my own heart!! Here is my kid at 2 in his Polaris that does 10MPH. And then at 3 in his Emiick Kid Kart that we have turned up to about 25 at this point. I'll try to post a vid later. And before the safety police jump on me he does not get within 10' of the Kart without his cacoon of safety gear, all the best stuff. He likes RC cars too like his dad does.

Jim:

My son wants to know if your son wants to race? :grin:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/tht-mod-2-albums-mod-2-picture58624-qm.jpg

yachtjim
03-23-2012, 07:34 AM
That cart is bad ass ? did you step up the voltage in the polaris ? Mine plays with the clodbuster for about 10 minutes, then get more enjoyment chasing it around. He does like indoor heli's, that keeps him entertained until the batteries go dead. And we go back in forth between legos and rokenbok

The Polaris is 24V. I thought about hopping it up to about 15MPH, but said the heck with it, I'll just get him the Kart now. He can't race the Kid Kart on the track until he is 5, but we'll be well prepared when the time comes.

Jim:

My son wants to know if your son wants to race? :grin:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/tht-mod-2-albums-mod-2-picture58624-qm.jpg

That Kart is awesome. We don't have any paved ovals around here, but there is a dirt oval in DE, so we may have some similar equipment in a couple of years (if he likes racing). Where do you run that?

THT Mod 2
03-23-2012, 08:22 AM
The Polaris is 24V. I thought about hopping it up to about 15MPH, but said the heck with it, I'll just get him the Kart now. He can't race the Kid Kart on the track until he is 5, but we'll be well proeared when the time comes.



That Kart is awesome. We don't have any paved ovals around here, but there is a dirt oval in DE, so we may have some similar equipment in a couple of years (if he likes racing). Where do you run that?


Jim:

Thanks

We run at two tracks in Connecticut. One is governed by the Quarter Midgets of America (QMA), and the other by United States Auto Club (USAC). There are slight differences between the two organizations. Both tracks are asphalt, but QM's also do race on dirt. There is a track in Hagerstown MD that is dirt.

The kids can start as young as 4.5 and run through 16. Let me know offline if you want more info and we can talk.

It is truly amazing how these kids react to racing and the confidence it gives them.

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 08:52 AM
Jim where does your son run the kart?

Would love to get some general ideas on cost, locations, frequency, etc. My 7 yr old would enjoy the heck out of that but not sure if it's in the budget for us right now. i'd like to get him some cart time before he's driving cars so he can autocross and maybe do time trials with me when he's holder.

yachtjim
03-23-2012, 10:50 AM
Mod 2 - My kid is 3.5 now, I wanted to get him a kart now so he could get comfortable with it and daddy could learn how to wrench on it prior to him starting to race. We spend all but the summer here in MD, and spend the summer on Cape Cod (he does, I just fly back and forth) so in the summertime we'll race up there. Likely F1 Boston Outdoors. Down here we'll race at Nicholson Speedway. Lots of variables that I figure will put themselves into place as we go. OPf course, will he like it? All signs point to YES. As far as what series we go to next from Kid Kart, I figure that will become obvious as he progresses. I know I'd like to do Legends at some point, then he'll need to fund his own ride after that :grin:

jacksdad - Our local track is Nicholson Speedway in Centerville, MD. Right now we are practicing at our facility. I have a pretty good track set up. i am trying to upload a video of it. You are welcome to get your son (and you) on a kart here too. His Kart was $1500 used. I have bought about $600 in safety stuff, maybe more. And they race what seems to be every other weekend. The Kid Kart class is from 5-7 yr old. So you kid could to KidKart this summer. Kid Karts do about 30MPH. The sky is the limit as far as where you can race. We'll probably start doing adventures to Charlotte, Daytona, and some othe big spots right off the bat. I already got a hauler for him.

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 10:54 AM
Jim thanks for the info. Reasonable money for the cart though i'm sure tires and gas eat up a chunk.

yachtjim
03-23-2012, 11:01 AM
I don't think they eat up too much on the Kid Karts. Once they get to the next level that stuff gets very expensive. I'm sure Mod 2 can chime in on that.

THT Mod 2
03-23-2012, 11:06 AM
Mod 2 - My kid is 3.5 now, I wanted to get him a kart now so he could get comfortable with it and daddy could learn how to wrench on it prior to him starting to race. We spend all but the summer here in MD, and spend the summer on Cape Cod (he does, I just fly back and forth) so in the summertime we'll race up there. Likely F1 Boston Outdoors. Down here we'll race at Nicholson Speedway. Lots of variables that I figure will put themselves into place as we go. OPf course, will he like it? All signs point to YES. As far as what series we go to next from Kid Kart, I figure that will become obvious as he progresses. I know I'd like to do Legends at some point, then he'll need to fund his own ride after that :grin:

jacksdad - Our local track is Nicholson Speedway in Centerville, MD. Right now we are practicing at our facility. I have a pretty good track set up. i am trying to upload a video of it. You are welcome to get your son (and you) on a kart here too. His Kart was $1500 used. I have bought about $600 in safety stuff, maybe more. And they race what seems to be every other weekend. The Kid Kart class is from 5-7 yr old. So you kid could to KidKart this summer. Kid Karts do about 30MPH. The sky is the limit as far as where you can race. We'll probably start doing adventures to Charlotte, Daytona, and some othe big spots right off the bat. I already got a hauler for him.


Jim:

I thought he was older for some reason - trying to rush it on you :)

A good number of kids start in Kart and then jump over to QM's. If he wants to try it this summer or fall, please let me know, and he can turn some laps in my sons car (I would just need to move the pedals and change the restrictor plate).

The variables as you will say will fall into place. My son just kind of fell into QM's and this will be his third season, and he absolutely loves it.

If you are ever thinking of going QM, let me know and we can talk for hours :grin:

My son is 7, and no joke, he is already talking to me about legends as his next step.

Oh, by the way, shameless plug, but sponsors are always welcome :grin:

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 11:48 AM
What are the orgs for these? Good websites to research?

Btw if you guys are into racing i've watched a couple fantastic movies on netflix lately you'd enjoy; Senna and Love the Beast (Eric Bana story). Great vintage footage particularly in Senna. Also recently on one of the cable channels was a show called 'Grand Prix, the Deadly Years' or something along those lines.

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 11:50 AM
btw Jim or Mod 2 have you guys been to the carting facility at NJMP? Wondering if they have anything a 7yr old could run.

THT Mod 2
03-23-2012, 11:58 AM
What are the orgs for these? Good websites to research?

Btw if you guys are into racing i've watched a couple fantastic movies on netflix lately you'd enjoy; Senna and Love the Beast (Eric Bana story). Great vintage footage particularly in Senna. Also recently on one of the cable channels was a show called 'Grand Prix, the Deadly Years' or something along those lines.

I never did Kart's so can't help you there. My son started directly in QM (which is quarter midgets). Essentially, there are two organizations that run and govern quarter midgets.

Quarter midgets of America (QMA)

http://www.quartermidgets.org/

United States Auto Club

http://www.usacracing.com/

Both are excellent and one track we run at is QMA and the other is USAC, so I can speak intelligently to both. There are subtle differences between them, and one big difference in scoring/judging.

Getting started can and will make your head spin. No different than getting started in boating. If you and your son are serious about it, I can gladly talk your ear off to get you in the right direction.

The costs, much like boating, can be basic to the absurd. I will say this, in three years of being at and around the sport, I have NEVER seen a kid win by his parents just throwing money at the sport. Good driver patterns and practice, practice, and practice make up for $$$ thrown at equipment.

When kids start, there seems to be no middle ground, they either love it or hate it.

Hope this helps.

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 12:59 PM
It does help thanks. Am more interested in road racing as that's what i'd be doing if i had my choice in the matter. i'm definitely not the 'must win' type of parent and would be more interested in seeing him have fun and master the equipment he has even if that means mid field finishes. Am theorizing it would translate into less jackassery once he's in a real car on public roads one day. maybe give him a better appreciation for the racing we watch on tv and see in person at NJMP and now the Balt. GP.

yachtjim
03-23-2012, 01:25 PM
WKA is the karting association that governs the type of stuff we'll be doing. Just google "WKA Kart". Here is a video of JR with the kart up to about 15. His skills literally double every new practice outing. I have a souped up golf cart and can no longer beat him around our course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I4jg-hJZ3U&feature=youtu.be


And sorry to derail this thread so much.

jacksdad
03-23-2012, 01:48 PM
holy friggin cow that is toooooo cool!!!



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