Trucks & Trailers - Looking into buying a used diesel truck need some advice

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dawgmode
02-14-2012, 05:48 AM
Morning guys,

Im the market for another truck. I had a 2001 f150 a couple years back which i got rid of(which i regret) and now im getting the itch to get another truck and this time i want a diesel.
I do not plan on towing anything outrageous or putting huge heavy loads of random stuff in the back of my truck. Just looking for a D/D that will be problem free so i need a quick course in diesel trucks for dummies.

I am buying used with a budget of 15-20k and dont really want anything older than a 2000. im bias to fords but i will consider a dodge. im not a chevy fan but if you guys were to give me a good reason to consider them, i am all ears.

HELP!!!

Thanks guys


bamaboy473
02-14-2012, 06:36 AM
You would import it to the Bahamas?

I will have a 2000 Excursion 7.3L Limited ready to sell after this Saturday if the buyer picks up the boat. 160K, great leather on seats (no cracks/rips or tears), 3rd row seat, rear A/C, bone stock.

dawgmode
02-14-2012, 06:39 AM
yes I would be shipping it home. Not too interested in a another suv...i already have an explorer


Fatherof4
02-14-2012, 08:26 AM
You will get all kinds of opinions on this forum, so I will throw my hat in the ring. The 7.3L in the older Fords is THE diesel to have. Good Luck.

dawgmode
02-14-2012, 08:59 AM
You will get all kinds of opinions on this forum, so I will throw my hat in the ring. The 7.3L in the older Fords is THE diesel to have. Good Luck.

A few people have told me that.
What is considered high milage for them and are there any problems with the auto trannys?

JMT34
02-14-2012, 10:31 AM
I'll put in my .02 on that.
Dad has one as a company truck. He usually buys one, then hands it down as a co. truck for a while until it falls apart. This one won't die.
This one is a 99, 300K plus miles, 1 brake job and that's it. No BS. I'm sure that's rare but it's true. He's a GC and very hard on trucks. And it's been in employee hands for the last 7-8 yrs. Hauled his 12-13 K lb. boat, and his 10-12K lb. tractor. It's an auto. All electric items still work, it was loaded for that time.

cebu97
02-14-2012, 11:06 AM
The Ford diesel 7.3 up to 2003 would be the only Ford I would consider.
Ford left alot of loyal fans with a dirty taste after going to the 6.0.

Currently have a 96 1 ton Cummins and love this guy............good mpg, very
reliable and simple 12v...........but the damn body is falling apart.

2006 was a good year for diesels...........Dodge and Chevy........
My next truck will be the 2006-07 chevy/GMC.....LBZ Duramax
360 horsepower.... 650 foot-lbs. of torque with Allison six-speed automatic

Just remember.......saying Diesel...............is like saying Marine.........equals
$$$$

Jupitercoyote
02-14-2012, 12:01 PM
I had an 01 f150 that I miss too!

I currently have a 99 f250 with the 7.3L. It has 290k give or take and the thing runs like a top and pulls great. Don't be scares of a high mileage 7.3L. And as others have said, the transition years to the 6.0 was bad...but anything after that is gonna be out of your price range anyway.

Cummings are great motors too. "cummins"....Cummings,,,,, you know..the ugly dodges...those are good too(the motor, not the truck). :-)

jwfost
02-14-2012, 05:43 PM
X2 on the ford 7.3

Cakilack
02-14-2012, 06:12 PM
If you are not going to be hauling heavy loads or towing heavy trailers why would you be interested in a diesel? Just curious as to why you would want the high fuel cost associated with the diesel if you truly wouldn't be using it for its purpose. However with that said the 7.3 is an awesome machine... I just feel as for comfort mixed with power you cannot beat the Duramax/Allison combo in the GM trucks.. Add the highest resale value for trucks in the pot and I would be looking at a Chevy or GMC.. Just my two cents.....

SalmonDaze
02-14-2012, 06:33 PM
X3
There's a guy here with a 2wd 7.3L cheap.

dawgmode
02-14-2012, 10:07 PM
If you are not going to be hauling heavy loads or towing heavy trailers why would you be interested in a diesel? Just curious as to why you would want the high fuel cost associated with the diesel if you truly wouldn't be using it for its purpose. However with that said the 7.3 is an awesome machine... I just feel as for comfort mixed with power you cannot beat the Duramax/Allison combo in the GM trucks.. Add the highest resale value for trucks in the pot and I would be looking at a Chevy or GMC.. Just my two cents.....

honestly, because I just always wanted one. i mean why do we all own boats?

mwgoldman
02-15-2012, 07:09 AM
honestly, because I just always wanted one. i mean why do we all own boats?

Couldn't agree more, I just went the duramax route, mainly because I wanted to, I do a couple of long distance tows down to so fla a year, but the 5.3 chevy was doing fine with it. I plain and simple wanted a diesel. It is a machine.

jwfost
02-15-2012, 10:16 AM
Bama, How much you asking for the excursion?

tash
02-15-2012, 02:24 PM
The auto trans. is the weak link for these 7.3 trucks. That said I have 130,000 trouble free miles on an '01 and my bro-in-law has over 400,000 on an '02. I'm sure it totally depends on how it's used and cared for. I use synthetic atf, have an after market cooler and temp gauge. My bro-in-law's is stock. His is a work truck used to pull light trailers constantly. All he's done so far is replace a couple of water pumps. A clean 7.3, properly maintained will go a long way. I'm far more concerned with mine being stolen or wrecked than worn out.

dbkerley
02-15-2012, 02:45 PM
If that Excursion doesn't sell, I'll give you my Toyota twice for it. I've been wanting one. It just isn't in the budget.

D.Lew
02-15-2012, 07:28 PM
The auto trans. is the weak link for these 7.3 trucks. That said I have 130,000 trouble free miles on an '01 and my bro-in-law has over 400,000 on an '02. I'm sure it totally depends on how it's used and cared for. I use synthetic atf, have an after market cooler and temp gauge. My bro-in-law's is stock. His is a work truck used to pull light trailers constantly. All he's done so far is replace a couple of water pumps. A clean 7.3, properly maintained will go a long way. I'm far more concerned with mine being stolen or wrecked than worn out.

x2 tranny is really the only concernable area. I tore one out of my 01' 7.3 and had one put back in with a larger valve body to tighten up the pressure. Much firmer/quicker shifts and made a big improvement to the truck in my opinion, but I'm kind of rough on trucks in the first place.

fatherofive
02-15-2012, 07:33 PM
I agree that every MAN would like to have a diesel. I know I, did. But then I started to think of what I could do with the money that I saved on fuel and oil change costs. I tow a 7000+ pound travel trailer with a 2002 5.3 liter Z71 Suburban mostly highway and get almost 11mpg. I used my bosses 04 Duramax to tow the trailer once on the same route and got around 14. The Duramax has a 5in exhaust with a cold air intake and Hypertech tuner. I do not think 3 mpg is worth the $.30-$.40 per gallon increase. I did not actually do the math but. . . Anyway, that's just my opinion. But if you really want it, I would go for the Duramax.

dawgmode
02-15-2012, 07:46 PM
I agree that every MAN would like to have a diesel. I know I, did. But then I started to think of what I could do with the money that I saved on fuel and oil change costs. I tow a 7000+ pound travel trailer with a 2002 5.3 liter Z71 Suburban mostly highway and get almost 11mpg. I used my bosses 04 Duramax to tow the trailer once on the same route and got around 14. The Duramax has a 5in exhaust with a cold air intake and Hypertech tuner. I do not think 3 mpg is worth the $.30-$.40 per gallon increase. I did not actually do the math but. . . Anyway, that's just my opinion. But if you really want it, I would go for the Duramax.
Thanks for the info but like I said before fuel burn is not my concern..down time from something breaking is.

jwfost
02-16-2012, 05:04 AM
when I bought my excursion diesel was at least 50 cent cheaper gas per gallon. It sucks to pay more for diesel than gas but once you have one you won't want to go back to a gas truck.

contenderv07
02-16-2012, 06:04 AM
If you are not going to be hauling heavy loads or towing heavy trailers why would you be interested in a diesel? Just curious as to why you would want the high fuel cost associated with the diesel if you truly wouldn't be using it for its purpose. However with that said the 7.3 is an awesome machine... I just feel as for comfort mixed with power you cannot beat the Duramax/Allison combo in the GM trucks.. Add the highest resale value for trucks in the pot and I would be looking at a Chevy or GMC.. Just my two cents.....

x2, I LOVE my LBZ..... TONS of power, get EFI, and rebuild the tranny, and you've got a beast that will hold about 650 hp all day... If I were you, I would go to some of the diesel truck websites and look in the classifieds... Most of the time the people that go to the sites, actually are members and learn from the forum on how to take care of their stuff...

Here are a couple I found for ya (I'm partial to the DMAX:grin:)
http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/vehicles-sale/120934-fs-2004-5-ecsb-lly-duramax-580hp.html

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/vehicles-sale/121441-fs-2005-lly-duramax-lifted.html

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/vehicles-sale/119971-2004-gmc-2500hd-61k.html

seastrike
02-16-2012, 09:21 AM
very hard to go wrong with the ford 7.3. I've got 180k on my 2003, with very few issues and never a breakdown. The OEM brakes wore out quick, i replaced with aftermarket rotors and pads and they've been great. Only mechanical issue on the motor was an alternator that crapped out at about 100k miles. Ball joints have been the only truck issue - have had to replace them twice.

SeaJay
02-16-2012, 12:14 PM
I agree that every MAN would like to have a diesel. I know I, did. But

I think that every MAN would even more prefer to take that extra money and spend it on a cute young & horney chicky for an even better time than cruising around in a stupid old truck.

budbrande
02-16-2012, 03:23 PM
I love my 09 2500HD with the Duramax/Allison drivetrain. Yes you pay more for fuel but I love the power and torque of a diesel. In fact my wife loves it more than I do. Back in June I bought a new Corvette Grand Sport for our anniversary. After about three weeks my wife decided she would rather drive the truck because she likes sitting up higher and says she feels safer in it! So far we have 38k on it and zero problems!

dbkerley
02-16-2012, 05:08 PM
when I bought my excursion diesel was at least 50 cent cheaper gas per gallon. It sucks to pay more for diesel than gas but once you have one you won't want to go back to a gas truck.

I can certainly second that.

bamaboy473
02-17-2012, 12:07 PM
I can certainly second that.

oddly enough, X2 There's something neat about a diesel; whether its a MB or a truck.

Cakilack
02-19-2012, 01:54 PM
honestly, because I just always wanted one. i mean why do we all own boats?

I completely understand that... I was just more curious than anything to know if you had other intentions for the diesel.... It is $4.04 here in Eastern NC today.. Which regular is also $3.74, I guess there is nothing cheap to drive these days.. Good luck with your search!

Hail Storm
02-19-2012, 02:17 PM
Morning guys,

Im the market for another truck. I had a 2001 f150 a couple years back which i got rid of(which i regret) and now im getting the itch to get another truck and this time i want a diesel.
I do not plan on towing anything outrageous or putting huge heavy loads of random stuff in the back of my truck. Just looking for a D/D that will be problem free so i need a quick course in diesel trucks for dummies.

I am buying used with a budget of 15-20k and dont really want anything older than a 2000. im bias to fords but i will consider a dodge. im not a chevy fan but if you guys were to give me a good reason to consider them, i am all ears.

HELP!!!

Thanks guys
As others have said stay away from the Ford 6.0 and its Navistar replacement. I think it was a 6.7 only available from 2009-2010? The 6.0 and I have one has had many problems such as stretching head bolts, EGR cooler, engine oil cooler, injectors, FIM and many others. The repair cost for these range from $1,200 for the FIM to $3,000 for the EGR and oil cooler provided no major engine damage occurs when they go out. I just had two friends to go through each of these items within the past year with less than 60,000 miles. I just purchased the Ford Premium Service Agreement for my truck as insurance.

mixman
02-19-2012, 02:31 PM
I think the OP asked what is considered high mileage for a Ford 7.3. Let me put it this way; the first rebuild is usually around 500k :-)

As for the transmission, the 4R100 transmissions Ford used suffered from horrible factory settings when used for towing (converter locks at all the wrong times and too much heat is generated). It was fine for daily driving. I bought my 2001 X with 140k on it and the original trans. I killed the trans at 200k towing my boat. Now I have a much larger pan, a DP Tuner, and full gauges. No more heat issues.

dawgmode
02-19-2012, 03:24 PM
I completely understand that... I was just more curious than anything to know if you had other intentions for the diesel.... It is $4.04 here in Eastern NC today.. Which regular is also $3.74, I guess there is nothing cheap to drive these days.. Good luck with your search!

lol its about 5.60 a gal here..i know..... its insane...

cazador
02-19-2012, 05:53 PM
The auto trans. is the weak link for these 7.3 trucks. That said I have 130,000 trouble free miles on an '01 and my bro-in-law has over 400,000 on an '02. I'm sure it totally depends on how it's used and cared for. I use synthetic atf, have an after market cooler and temp gauge. My bro-in-law's is stock. His is a work truck used to pull light trailers constantly. All he's done so far is replace a couple of water pumps. A clean 7.3, properly maintained will go a long way. I'm far more concerned with mine being stolen or wrecked than worn out.

I have 201k miles on my 2000 7.3 Excursion. It is on its original transmission with zero repairs.. I have changed the fluid every 50k miles and last month I dropped the pan and changed the filter. No debris or clutch pieces were found. After the service the transmission shifts like new. Tow weight is important also. I have towed lots of miles with a 8k lb boat and a 6k lb Airstream. both under the the 10 k tow limit.
My friend is an excavator and gets 100 k miles or less on his Ford transmissions. He tows a 15 k backhow and trailer (when he doesn't get a ticket) and never changes the fluid.

freewilly
02-20-2012, 06:09 AM
I pull a 28' Albemarle that weighs a little over 12000 lbs full of fuel and gear.I pull it with a 2005 2500 HD chey with the duramax and allison transmissoin.I love the way the chey pulls that big of a boat. I have read in a magazine a few years ago that the duramax was in the top 3 best internal combustion engine ever built.The duramax is built buy Isuzu and with a allison transmission behide it I think that the chey has the best drive train hands down. Dodge has transmissoin problems and all of fords motors are junk except the 7.3 which is a great engine but they are getting old. I just am trying to help out and not make anyone mad.All my statements come from lifes experience with these trucks.

jwfost
02-20-2012, 06:31 AM
I put a transmission in my excursion at 115k miles but didn't put one in my f350 till over 300k.

jwfost
02-20-2012, 06:34 AM
I read in a magazine once that Chevy's are junk

freewilly
02-20-2012, 06:57 AM
oh ya.

stiverp
02-20-2012, 07:44 AM
Just remember if you own a Chevy only you and 3 other guys will be left at the end of the world. Ya'll have fun with that, I'm keeping my Ford.

20simmons sea skiff
02-20-2012, 08:18 AM
i am a chevy person. however after 40 years a diesel mech i would not get a chevy, have to admit that the fords and dodges are superior for fleet use, we had over 300 assorted makes, chevys were junk, fords have trans trouble after high miles as did the dodges, new dodges with computer trans and inj pump. dodges also ate up front brakes. cannot tow in overdrive with fords, the ones we had if u did would get hot and spit all fluid out trans.dodges have trouble with warrenty,dealers would say it was customers fault, just not my co, but my friend had a long haul dodge 2500 pulling boats and new trailers, she had a lot of trouble with dodge warrenty. the new electronic inj on dodges gave a lot of trouble at times. i hate fords, but fords was the best fleet trucks. the new fords u cant get to engine, luv the old 7.3,s. a chevy would be ok for a private owner, .Good to be retired, when computers came out on trucks and u had to have a laptop to work on it.friend did have a hotrod duramax, would outrun mustangs

freewilly
02-20-2012, 08:49 AM
ok, get a ford 6.0 and have more head bolts drilled into the block so the head gaskets don't blow out that sounds real smart.

stiverp
02-20-2012, 11:25 AM
ok, get a ford 6.0 and have more head bolts drilled into the block so the head gaskets don't blow out that sounds real smart.

No new holes, Just replace the OEM head studs that stretch and cause the gaskets to fail. 6.0 is a performance based engine with high compression especially if over tuned. They have to be driven hard to keep the turbo clear or it will stick, also if you have the factory EGR system it also keeps the valves and combustion chambers clear of soot and excess carbon.

red20
02-20-2012, 12:54 PM
I love my cummins. If you go Ford get the 7.3.

tzw
02-21-2012, 12:03 PM
+1 for the Dmax

Whatever you decide to buy stay away from anything with a programer, injectors or anything else that would lead you to believe some kid hopped it up with his dads money. Its had the shit beat out of it.

I would suggest just picking whatever make and year you like the best and research the hell out of that truck so you know exactly what to look for when you find a potential truck to buy. Depending on who you ask all three brands are giant pieces of shit and everyone would be correct.

Oh and keep an extra fuel filter under the seat.

jwfost
02-21-2012, 08:13 PM
Just buy what makes you happy and make the best of it! If that happens to be a ford 7.3 you will most likely be ok...anything else you will most likely regret it.



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