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BryceF
12-07-2011, 02:35 PM
Anybody have any experience with these outboards? They are all over eBay right now. They are Chinese made and I'm assuming same quality of all those Chinese made four wheelers out there. However the price isn't bad. I couldn't find a company site but I did find one site claiming Yamaha parts are compatible and therefore easy to work on.

Would anyone on here trust them?????

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UPDATED-2-STROKE-4HP-OUTBOARD-ENGINE-MOTOR-WATER-COOLED-i6-/260855050913?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_Boat_Engines _EngineParts_SM&hash=item3cbc2c32a1


triumphrick
12-07-2011, 02:38 PM
If they are made anything like the Okuma Titus 50 reels I recently ordered and promptly returned to WalMart...I wouldn't own one...

never2rough
12-07-2011, 03:21 PM
They cant even make a sheet of drywall without screwing it up. Id pass on the outboard.


rwidman
12-07-2011, 03:50 PM
FOR ALL OF OUR CLIENTS

NOTICE: There are many new brand name of similar item in the market recently, although their price are really cheap, but the quality of their products are also terrible:

1. That factory only produce as a lower price as they can, they won't care about the quality.All our item is pass the ISO9001 quality certification

2. Have visit and purchase the item samples from some other supplier, many samples are in bad quality. After compare samples again and again from different supplier, finally we provide this top-quality item for you at lowest price.

3. You can purchase a high quality and safety machine, but please don't waste the money for a cheaper but a low quality machines. We only sell top-quality item. Base on the top-quality, then we will beat our price as lowest on eBay.

4. We keep a good relationship with the supplier, so that we can get the stable and reliable stock for our client.

5. We only sale the top-quality machine, we can provide the reasonable price since we have fight with the supplier as a lowest cost as we can.

I love it! :trout:

jerrybark
12-07-2011, 03:54 PM
$460 plus $452 for shipping??

you can buy a 4 hp tohatsu for a couple bucks more and get an engine that is well made and reliable, with a US dealer network and service.

not for me,
Jerry

Captain Crispy
12-07-2011, 03:55 PM
The selling price plus shipping is over $900. Might as well pony up a little more for the more familiar brands sold by countries that don't want to kill us.

seabob4
12-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Lifetime free maintenance service...

I'll take the container full...:trout::trout:

tampagrouper
12-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Look how fast Chow Lee goes in the pond.

seahorse
12-08-2011, 06:42 AM
They are the Chinese knock-off of Yamaha designs. They do not meet EPA regulations for new motors and I understand that just like foreign cars that don't meet emission specs, they are not to be sold in the US legally.

Chinese outboards are often seen in Australia and quality control issues are common.

jobowker
12-09-2011, 05:00 PM
If it wasn't for the shipping and they sold them at Harbor Freight, I'd buy one. I'm guessing these are gray market.

TexasVines
12-10-2011, 12:03 AM
crap like this is why some people end up hating boats

recreation by it's very nature is often not going to be cheap and it is going to always come at the expense of your productivity yet some people insist on trying to recreate with the absolute worst crap possible

hey look at this raft I got made of garbage bags to hit the mighty Colorado with!

or "these ski boots are two sizes too big, but you will grow into them and wear a lot of socks"

then when the experience sucks it is because that activity sucks not their ability to choose the proper gear that sucks

I sold scuba gear in Austin, Texas while in college for a while......we carried Scuba Pro (not one of the cheapest brands in cost and the price was set by the manufacturer)

one of the "closing lines" I had for the guys that were going some place cool to go diving and they were going to save cash on gear by "getting it at the pawn shop" was

when you are at 90 feet and you have paid hundreds of not thousands of dollars to get there.......your ass is only worth 65 bucks at the pawn shop?

it almost never failed because even if they were cheap and could find a decent regulator at pawn shop it still pointed out the stupidity of them trying to save 100 dollars or so on a trip they were bragging about how their bar bills would be in the hundreds of dollars

if you can't afford to dot he activity right don't do it and stick to bowling because at least a garage sale ball with finger holes that require you to wear a glove and gives you hand cramps is only 5 bucks and when you get tired of that you can use the house balls FREE!

billinstuart
12-10-2011, 06:44 AM
My perception of ISO standards is it is a "manufacturing" quality standard for a particular company. since many of the components are outsourced, "manufacturing" becomes "assembly and finish". Their assembly and finish may meet ISO standards, but the individual components, manufactured from used beer cans and typical crappy Chinese plastics, are substandard.

The Chinks are leaning heavily on this ISO certification crap because it gives a false impression of overall quality. Sure it's "assembled" properly, but it's assembled from JUNK.

Hey..I just realized.."Chinese Junk" is the name of their ships for centuries. We should have known better....................

Boatdood
12-10-2011, 08:34 AM
I think we have more than enough Chinese crap in this country already. Honestly, how many of us have bought something cheap made in China and been happy with the product long term?

rowbear
12-10-2011, 08:52 AM
My perception of ISO standards is it is a "manufacturing" quality standard for a particular company. since many of the components are outsourced, "manufacturing" becomes "assembly and finish". Their assembly and finish may meet ISO standards, but the individual components, manufactured from used beer cans and typical crappy Chinese plastics, are substandard.

The Chinks are leaning heavily on this ISO certification crap because it gives a false impression of overall quality. Sure it's "assembled" properly, but it's assembled from JUNK.

Hey..I just realized.."Chinese Junk" is the name of their ships for centuries. We should have known better....................


^^^^^^This^^^^^^

seaMooch
12-10-2011, 09:04 AM
Lots of equipment like this for sale from china. Its cheap and it works sometimes, but more likely than not youll spend 2 hours of fixing for every hour of use and you might have to re-
Engineer it to make it work right. I know a guy that buys heavy equipment like this and he ends up rewelding, replacing parts and fixing assembly mistakes before he can even use it the first time. Your money would be well spent on tohatsu, you can probably save money by getting one used.

lingcod
12-10-2011, 10:30 AM
My perception of ISO standards is it is a "manufacturing" quality standard for a particular company. since many of the components are outsourced, "manufacturing" becomes "assembly and finish". Their assembly and finish may meet ISO standards, but the individual components, manufactured from used beer cans and typical crappy Chinese plastics, are substandard.

The Chinks are leaning heavily on this ISO certification crap because it gives a false impression of overall quality. Sure it's "assembled" properly, but it's assembled from JUNK.

Hey..I just realized.."Chinese Junk" is the name of their ships for centuries. We should have known better....................

This is a great example of why our nation is going down the tubes.

chris commander
12-10-2011, 02:18 PM
Lots of equipment like this for sale from china. Its cheap and it works sometimes, but more likely than not youll spend 2 hours of fixing for every hour of use and you might have to re-
Engineer it to make it work right. I know a guy that buys heavy equipment like this and he ends up rewelding, replacing parts and fixing assembly mistakes before he can even use it the first time. Your money would be well spent on tohatsu, you can probably save money by getting one used.

Half the people that see me running the Tohatsu on my inflatable think it's Chinese, Sometimes friends have asked why I bought a "Chinese" outboard, than I explain I bought it purposefully for the quality but especially because it was the lightest one I could get( and of course it’s Japanese), and that many of the smaller Mercs are made by Tohatsu, they just look at me funny, Kind of like "Huh???” I just putter away.:roll

twotems
12-10-2011, 03:13 PM
Beware. In the 70's Japanese cars were junk. In the 80/90's Korean cars were junk.

A few years ago Okuma reels were junk too............the Makaira's have changed that big time.

billinstuart
12-10-2011, 04:12 PM
Beware. In the 70's Japanese cars were junk. In the 80/90's Korean cars were junk.

A few years ago Okuma reels were junk too............the Makaira's have changed that big time.

I wouldn't say "junk", but unsuited for our market. Early Datsuns were anvils on wheels, but dinky anvils. At least the Japs had good steel and plastics, unlike the Chinese.

China is more comparable to India or Russia in product quality.

billinstuart
12-10-2011, 04:16 PM
Holy SMOKE! The manufacturer recommends 25:1 oil mix. I guess if you throw enough lubrication at it, it may last one year.

LouC
12-10-2011, 04:25 PM
The funny thing is that the flooding of the market with cheap Chinese goods has opposite the intended effect on me, I buy less stuff now. I keep stuff that's working well, you know like 25 year old Briggs & Stratton engines, and I have walked out of a few stores more than once in disgust at the flood of cheap products that we are being forced to buy, because nothing is made here any more. Toro used to be my favorite single stage snow blower, no more, all Chinese 4 stroke engines on them. My 16 year old one has a Zuki on it....

twotems
12-10-2011, 04:29 PM
I wouldn't say "junk", but unsuited for our market. Early Datsuns were anvils on wheels, but dinky anvils. At least the Japs had good steel and plastics, unlike the Chinese.

China is more comparable to India or Russia in product quality.

In 1985 I had a brand new Hyundai for transportation for about two months. After 3 weeks the door handles came off in my hand. We either had to use the inside wire to open it (once the trim had peeled off to expose it) or reach outside and use the external handle. That was a Hyundai, the largest shipbuilders in the world. I repeat, Beware. Cos they are coming and they will take over sooner or later.

seaMooch
12-10-2011, 06:08 PM
The funny thing is that the flooding of the market with cheap Chinese goods has opposite the intended effect on me, I buy less stuff now. I keep stuff that's working well, you know like 25 year old Briggs & Stratton engines, and I have walked out of a few stores more than once in disgust at the flood of cheap products that we are being forced to buy, because nothing is made here any more. Toro used to be my favorite single stage snow blower, no more, all Chinese 4 stroke engines on them. My 16 year old one has a Zuki on it....

That's funny, I do the same thing. All my power equipment is from the 80's, most of it bought used and with a little maintenance it runs 100 times better than anything I could get today.... and it doesn't have all the issues you get with today's engines and today's fuel. I've got a tractor, weed eater, chainsaw, and generator, all from 1986 and wouldn't trade them for anything on the market today!

ultrasonic
12-10-2011, 06:14 PM
My perception of ISO standards is it is a "manufacturing" quality standard for a particular company. ....

Hey..I just realized.."Chinese Junk" is the name of their ships for centuries. We should have known better....................

One could build a concrete submarine that meets ISO9001.

floridarob
12-10-2011, 06:45 PM
Does it come with a spring roll?...???
Or at least a fortune cookie????

Trayscool
12-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Do you buy fishing gear at walmart or the tackle store? same difference.

if you want something that may last a year or pay twice as much now and have it for 10 years?

people dont appreciate quality anymore

why not buy a used Yamaha??

capecuddy
12-11-2011, 09:27 AM
ISO9000 simply means that you manufacture in accordance with documented processes and procedures. If the documented processes and procedures suck, a manufacturer would turn out consistently bad product. But it would be ISO9001 compliant! Also says nothing about the DESIGN.

HyundaiAccent
12-11-2011, 09:41 AM
I saw the video.

I would never buy one.

It only rides to the left in circles.

rwidman
12-11-2011, 09:46 AM
Beware. In the 70's Japanese cars were junk. In the 80/90's Korean cars were junk..

In the 70s and 80s, American cars were junk. :banghead:

83Grady
12-11-2011, 09:59 AM
For me the sad part is that the quality products are often not available at any price. They are just not out there. I agree with others above, I use and maitain my old stuff.

seaMooch
12-11-2011, 10:03 AM
In the 70s and 80s, American cars were junk. :banghead:

Just the 70's and 80's? :grin:

HyundaiAccent
12-11-2011, 10:10 AM
In the 70s and 80s, American cars were junk. :banghead:

Nothing has changed. But they are slightly better and ride better than all the foreign stuff. They are better than the French cars but do not ride as soft on bumpy roads..

rick812
02-21-2012, 06:29 PM
I too would like to hear from anyone who has experience with these. All the opinions on Chinese manufacturing are truly fascinating, but has anybody actually bought/used/owned one of these who can offer objective commentary? They indeed are all over the place now at around $400 with shipping costs around $50.
The huge shipping costs to inflate the price are not real, or at least certainly not necessary to pay as some dealers are shipping them nation-wide for between 35 and 50 dollars.

seaguy40
12-09-2012, 11:01 PM
Old thread but figured I would comment since I have used one and can share my experience. Right now there are many of these selling new on ebay, they have new models of the 2, 3.5, 4, 6hp. My friend has the previous model 3.5hp Hangkai and he paid only $370 for it brand new in box, free shipping just over a year ago. That motor weight less then 20lbs! Him and I had ran this motor alot on his 14ft kaboat. It is obviously not a Mercury, Evinrude, or other but it is 1/3 of the price of those. It did start right up and did get us to where we were going. We had also used it on a Sailcat 14 and this was on a trip out from Long Beach, MS to Cat Island in the gulf, again it done well and we motored for over 2hrs. I had also used this same motor on my 22ft sailboat cruiser and it pushed it pretty well with me and 2 others onboard. I am now considering either a 4hp or 6hp model to put on my sailboat. I had my older Nissan 9.8 which I recently sold since it became unreliable. I am now deciding between either a new Hangkai or a 10 year old motor (think Mercury, still have to confirm) that supposed to have low hours. So far I am leaning on the Hangkai since it has 2 year warranty (not sure what the lifetime free maintenance is about) and on a sailboat it won't be used too often.

So here is my summary... I think these motors are good for the price but don't compare them to a major brand. They are a bit cheaply made but hey from my experience they do work and for an affordable low cost solution they are not a bad choice. On a sailboat as a kicker one can be a good option because of the light weight and unfrequent use. I liked how easy my friends was when I went to lift it off my boat, even the ice chest weighed more. It is interesting to see how long one will last and I think it will last a good while on a sailboat but I doubt you can get 10+ years out of one as you can with a Johnson for example. If I do decide to buy one of these Hangkai's, I will post back up here with my experience with it so others can get a better idea if it is something they want to buy.

Huide
07-15-2013, 07:03 PM
looks the price is much higher than in China, if you can read some Chinese try this link: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.29.aBu0SF&id=13964853166&on_comment=1

Huide
07-15-2013, 07:05 PM
for cheaper products, what you can expect? better profile? better lifecycle? don't be idoit

noelm
07-15-2013, 07:20 PM
They are the Chinese knock-off of Yamaha designs. They do not meet EPA regulations for new motors and I understand that just like foreign cars that don't meet emission specs, they are not to be sold in the US legally.

Chinese outboards are often seen in Australia and quality control issues are common.
This is correct, there is a few Chinese made outboards sold here, all the same, but under different names, we have Sail, Vortex, Parsun and a couple of other variations, most of them are crap, there is some similarity to a Yamaha, but very few parts are actually interchangeable. The Vortex is now sold as a package by one of Australias largest boat manufacturers, so maybe with their backing buying one would be sort of OK. A few have used them and they do not have a great reputation.
http://www.telwater.com/telwater-vortex.asp

AquaWhaler
07-15-2013, 08:21 PM
Anybody replying to this thread using a device that wasn't made in China?



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