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WoodenChief
08-08-2011, 01:54 PM
Just bought an 06 2360 Sailfish with 150s. (Thanks to all who counseled me with my shopping!)

Love the boat but on my first weekend of use one of the two BEP A/B battery switches failed. The switch was the original factory installed one. I bring this up because I used this same BEP switch on a past single engine boat and had it fail three times before going to a perko.

I'm trying to decide if I should replace with the same (which seems insane) or go through the trouble of switching both switches out with a different brand / model.

Has anyone else had a problem with BEP?


seabob4
08-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Did it "fall apart"? We had those issues a few years ago at Proline...

I'd go with Blue Seas.

WoodenChief
08-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Yes... All four times the switch fell apart. With the old boat BEP told me it was failing because the switch was not made to hold any cable weight hanging down. The third one they sent me was slightly different and was supposed to be more appropriate for stand alone mounting (as opposed to in a cluster with all cables supported) It still failed just the same though.

Will the blue sea fit in the small mounting hole I have? i'm thinking not.


Dsaltydog
08-08-2011, 03:38 PM
The spring causes the injection mold to crack, when they get hot (not from load, from natural heat). Always keep a spare aboard, they are prone to break.

Ironworker
08-08-2011, 04:02 PM
Heck, I was just getting ready to spend $260 on a cluster.

HDRyder999
08-08-2011, 05:13 PM
My boat came with 7 from the manufacturer. They have all failed twice. It has nothing to do with the attached wiring. The spring aparently fatigued the plastic and the mold failed. I wish I had room for a different brand. I oppose using switches I'm sure are going to fail. I keep several spares on the boat.

seabob4
08-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Did you guys have the "mini" switches? The footprint is small, which a lot of builders liked...

If the Proline plant was still open, I could show you a pile of broken switches...

Libra
08-08-2011, 05:57 PM
Question: When one switch in the cluster fails, don't you have to take the entire cluster apart to get the one that failed out?

seabob4
08-08-2011, 06:53 PM
Question: When one switch in the cluster fails, don't you have to take the entire cluster apart to get the one that failed out?

Yes. I had to swap out a motorized switch on a triple Verado 35 Express when they first came out with the motorized switches...3 switches, 3 VSRs, 3 parallels...on my stomach, at the Vinoy in St. Pete, in July...that was fun!

maxie
08-08-2011, 07:16 PM
Yes. I had to swap out a motorized switch on a triple Verado 35 Express when they first came out with the motorized switches...3 switches, 3 VSRs, 3 parallels...on my stomach, at the Vinoy in St. Pete, in July...that was fun!

who makes a better lasting switch?

WoodenChief
08-08-2011, 07:27 PM
Well I guess the BEPs have to go then. I have plenty of room inside the console for bigger switches and I darn well know a medium duty perko switch will last much longer. There's too much that can go wrong offshore to be relying on a switch that you know is eventually going to fail.

seabob4
08-08-2011, 08:02 PM
who makes a better lasting switch?

Blue Seas or Cole-Hersee...

HDRyder999
08-08-2011, 10:10 PM
My cluster has 7 switches, 2 VSRs, various circuit breakers etc. The whole thing have to come off a bulkhead to replace a single switch. Mine is tightly fit under some steps or I would have changed brands by now.

The plastic on some circuit breaker panels has disintegrated as well but I replaced them with custom made panels.

bmw332is
08-09-2011, 04:06 AM
Just bought an 06 2360 Sailfish with 150s. (Thanks to all who counseled me with my shopping!)

Love the boat but on my first weekend of use one of the two BEP A/B battery switches failed. The switch was the original factory installed one. I bring this up because I used this same BEP switch on a past single engine boat and had it fail three times before going to a perko.

I'm trying to decide if I should replace with the same (which seems insane) or go through the trouble of switching both switches out with a different brand / model.

Has anyone else had a problem with BEP?

Please explain the failures further, was it in the back of the switch with the wires, front knob, were these switches thru hole mounted or surface mounted ...what exactly failed?

Dsaltydog
08-09-2011, 04:15 AM
The seam, where they would overlay and meet the square box part, always fails, if left in on (as I do), no issue with performance, but they fail from heat and design.

WoodenChief
08-09-2011, 09:09 AM
To BMW
All the switches I'm speaking of are flush mounted. The first two on my old boat had corner mounting holes but no capture nut points in the back. (I just used washers that pressed against the back corners. The third one BEP sent me was almost the same but had capture nut holes in the back and I used those. BEP stated that this design would hold up better.
The housing or body of the switch and the turning handle remain in place when it fails. When switching you begin to notice it's not very tight and doesn't click into each position solidly. (you hope you begin to notice!) At that point power will be intermitent if at all. The back plate of the switch with all the studs will just fall off with all the wires still connected. The weakness appears to be the plastic points that join this plate to the switch body.
I'll try to post a few pictures when I do the repair.

Libra
08-10-2011, 10:09 AM
Only part (so far) that I've had to fail were two of the handles, and I think they were forcefully turned creating weakness and later breaking off. I was able to turn the shaft with pliers until replacements could be installed. This did happen two different times. I've never had one to break on the inside tho...that could be bad!!!!

seabob4
08-10-2011, 10:29 AM
I have seen "switch" failures, as well as the failure Wooden describes where the mechanism that the studs are attached to actually separates from the switch itself...that would suck if the switch were somehow mounted directly above the ground stud on a batt...and it fell on that stud! Oh boy, onboard welding!!!:o:o

AlexisMarie
08-10-2011, 02:07 PM
I had Perko and Blue seas and never had any failures whatsover. A battery switch is one of those things that I never even considered replacing since I never had one break. Ive had 20 yr old switches on my old boats and no issues. I wouldnt use BEP if thats a common failure.

bluewaterpirate
08-11-2011, 06:06 AM
I've seen a couple of failures but this 716 on my Whaler has 5 years and 2200 hours on it and never missed a beat.

http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv129/bluewaterpirate/Two%20of%20a%20Kind%20Electronic%20and%20Fishing%2 0Upgrades/11-1.jpg?t=1285944870

seabob4
08-11-2011, 07:11 AM
...which is the exact same 716 cluster I installed in Tipsy's Mckee. I believe BEP has done the necessary strengthening of the problem areas, but there are still plenty of old switches out there...

LouC
08-11-2011, 07:42 AM
I have a Cole-Hersee and that thing is built solid...it's a bit larger than some of the other switches but looks like it will last forever...

seabob4
08-11-2011, 07:49 AM
I have a Cole-Hersee and that thing is built solid...it's a bit larger than some of the other switches but looks like it will last forever...

Lou, we used Cole-Hersee' at Stamas. Nice, solid switches, very positive feeling when turning the knobs. The Guest H-D switches are very similar...

tg
08-11-2011, 07:51 AM
I had a cluster fail. I'll never go back to BEP.

divefreak
08-12-2011, 02:56 AM
Did you guys have the "mini" switches? The footprint is small, which a lot of builders liked...

If the Proline plant was still open, I could show you a pile of broken switches...

Never had a single failure on +100 switches i sold and or mounted....;?

but it is colder here :roll:(

bmw332is
08-12-2011, 04:19 AM
To BMW
All the switches I'm speaking of are flush mounted. The first two on my old boat had corner mounting holes but no capture nut points in the back. (I just used washers that pressed against the back corners. The third one BEP sent me was almost the same but had capture nut holes in the back and I used those. BEP stated that this design would hold up better.
The housing or body of the switch and the turning handle remain in place when it fails. When switching you begin to notice it's not very tight and doesn't click into each position solidly. (you hope you begin to notice!) At that point power will be intermitent if at all. The back plate of the switch with all the studs will just fall off with all the wires still connected. The weakness appears to be the plastic points that join this plate to the switch body.
I'll try to post a few pictures when I do the repair.

Thanks for clarifying the issue/problem. I just had to replace 2 of my 3 switches because I found the front knobs in the bottom of my closed battery storage area...the front tits where the knobs lock at the end the threaded collars were broken off (My switches are thru hole mounted on a panel). Now I'm wondering if it was a failure or some kid that might have gotton on my boat and turned them until they snapped? The boat is 5 years old and I have never had any problems with these switches before.

caltexflanc
08-12-2011, 04:29 AM
I'll second seabob on the Blue Seas small switches if size is an issue. I use big Guests where it isn't. Blue Seas or NewMar (don't think they make a battery switch like this) are pretty much our default suppliers of things electrical for add-ons or replacements. No direct experience with BEP, so can't comment on them.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport

First Light
08-13-2011, 06:30 PM
Contender has been using a new, smaller battery switch. Anyone know what brand they are/who makes them?

606zpx
01-26-2013, 02:47 PM
To revive this thread. I have had two fail and one of the replacements failed as well. When I discovered further cracks I am going over to the Blue Seas M series switches. Definitely heavier made.

CrewDriver
02-03-2013, 11:23 PM
On my third set of three BEP 701-PM battery switches which are on an '09 Everglades 290CC that I bought new. Second set was "improved" switch which lasted just over a year. I run out of Port Aransas, TX (hot). Battery panel somewhat "custom" making it difficult to change manufacturer. Have tried to beef up crummy plastic with JB weld; we'll see. I've heard BEP has changed ownership a time or two recently...

CANARIANFISHER
02-04-2013, 12:37 AM
Does this happen to more products than this in the BEP range, If a builder would want to adhere to only one brand of electrical supplies which would be the the very best ??

Zookeeper6778
02-04-2013, 04:46 AM
I had this one installed with my recent repower. Now I am worried.
http://images.jamestowndistributors.com/woeimages/electrical/250_250/bep-10274.jpg

Jtharpe
02-04-2013, 06:27 AM
are the ones they are making today still having these problems?

warthog5
02-04-2013, 09:34 AM
I've never seen a failure in one.

In this pix.....and I understand it's just a pix, but it's the old style.

The new style has a Yellow handle on the "Combine" switch.

http://images.jamestowndistributors.com/woeimages/electrical/250_250/bep-10274.jpg



Newer unit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Warthog5/Parker%202530/100_4036.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Warthog5/1860%20SeaArk/100_2497.jpg

23classicny
02-04-2013, 10:12 AM
I just picked one up to replace the broken battery switches on my boat. ITs the newer version with the Yellow Battery Parallel switch and it has a "ver 2" on the packaging. I think that they were aware of the issues mentioned in this thread and updated the design sometime in the past year or two. it also seems the issues arose when there was weight from unsupported cables on the back of the switches, where the cables and switches were both well supported on a bulkhead or flat panel there seem to be no issues.

CrewDriver
02-05-2013, 09:56 PM
23classicny nailed it. Wish I could use those, but they have the curved front, which will not mount face-through-hole on back of my panel.

The pics of BEP switches in Zookeeper6778 and warthog5's posts are not the one's I have (that are panel mount).

BTW: Everglades is a great builder. They have been very supportive throughout my warranty and beyond. This is a supplier/manufacturer issue (which BEP appears to have addressed by going away from the 701-PM's) Also, Everglades has new models with a different panel layout and may use a different supplier/manufacturer.

I fish my boat a lot in the summers and, overall, am happy with it..

The Woo
02-05-2013, 10:08 PM
Do the remotely operated BEP switches suffer the same failures?
I've just spent over $3k on BEP switches, VSRs, everything for our refit. I'm returning before we install them IF they really are that bad.

This type;
http://www.bepmarine.com/home-mainmenu-8/product-337/720-mdo-remote-operated-motorised-battery-switch-500amps

Nomans
02-06-2013, 12:07 AM
who makes a better lasting switch?

The Blue Sea 'm' mini series look to be about the same size as the BEP. I have used several over the years with absolutely no problems. Well made, very big and solid terminal studs.

Zookeeper6778
02-06-2013, 05:45 AM
Yes mine does have the yellow parallel knob and it is mounted to the bulkhead with all wires secured. Hopefully no issues to arise.



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