Northeast - Go away....

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

There's a new mentality out there today bro. Find other boats fishing with bent rods and take what they have. Nobody wants to do the work anymore. I'd be embarrased to go up on someone and steal their spot. I find my own! It wasn't always this way. This started with the resurgance of the bass and the internet. all these NEW fishermen just don't know how to do it so they take yours. If you ask me, the internet ruined fishing. it will never be the same.shame. flame away boys.

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!Too Funny,LMFAO.You're right on though.

Some people use birds to find fish others use boats.

Another pisser is the jerk who won't stop, but who you see on his chartplotter marking your spot that he just steamed up on...circle a couple of times and then head off....

Something tells me that this isn't a new thing...people have been fighting over fishing/hunting/business grounds for ever....

I'm sure you all had to learn the fishing rules somehow and chance is while you were learning you pissed a few off in the process....

I'm a new fisherman, I don't know how its all suppose to be out there so I'm going to make some mistakes and piss a few of you salty guys off...

Oh and if I'm building a shed or laying a brick wall I do ask friends of friends who do it for a living for advise or how to's so that I can LEARN how to do it right so that next time I'm not asking them what i did wrong....never had a bad conversations.....Usually most people who have a trade are more than willing to help another....doesn't seem to be the case with fisherman..

John, that's nothing new-it's called the Cape Cod jumpf*&k. A wrist rocket and 1 oz egg sinkers is a pretty effective defense...

CMP

I fished 5 hours Sat. looking for a damn codfish. Finally came up on a good pile of fish, got 6 or 7 in the 10-15# range right away, reset the drift a few times, and after about a 1/2 hour of floating around next to me, a Comm. boat came over and dropped a net 50' off my ass and and closed me right into it! I know he's trying to make a living - but god did that piss me off! LOL.

I agree, find your own fish. Finding fish is relatively easy (when you know how to do it)- finding them in a spot where noone else is...where no one is crawling up your ass...that's a different story.

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

At least they asked :grin:

Can't tell you how many times I've been casting to surface feeding fish and had some a-hole pull up between me and the fish (usually putting them down) and start casting :banghead:

If you really have a problem with someone you should have the stones to tell them in person not on an online forum, e.g. "hey guy in the mako, this is my spot right now and I would appreciate you not hanging around and scaring the fish away."

If you really have a problem with someone you should have the stones to tell them in person not on an online forum, e.g. "hey guy in the mako, this is my spot right now and I would appreciate you not hanging around and scaring the fish away."

Or a simple, "Hey...Get the (expletive) out of here!" :thumbsup:

I'm a new fisherman, I don't know how its all suppose to be out there so I'm going to make some mistakes and piss a few of you salty guys off...

Oh and if I'm building a shed or laying a brick wall I do ask friends of friends who do it for a living for advise or how to's so that I can LEARN how to do it right so that next time I'm not asking them what i did wrong....never had a bad conversations.....Usually most people who have a trade are more than willing to help another....doesn't seem to be the case with fisherman..

Its quite simple and common knowlege. Treat other as you expect to be treated, ashore or afloat. Don't crowd another hunter or fisherman.
Where I am now is actually a new fishing territory for me. I usually fish about 60 miles south of here. I checked all the charts I could get my hands on and did some research into the old fishing grounds in this area and listened to fishermen comeing in. Then I marked where I wanted to go on my charts and away I went. I'de like to say I was a genious and hit fish everywhere but it took a couple years to find productive spots that help me avoid skunkings.
Just work at it.;)

I remember when I ran the 1/2 day head boat out of Newburyport, we'd set anchor and start a chum line for the bluefish. 20 boats would troll 50' off the boat. The mates used to stand up on the bow w/ a 16oz norwegian, cast over the trolled lines, and reel in their plugs. That taught them!

Just start throwing M80s in the water it gets rid of both kinds of seagulls

just yell at em....


"CAN YOU HEAR ME"

"YES" (usually joined with a smile and a wave like you're now best buddies)

"THEN YOU'RE TOO #%&@!$ CLOSE"

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

Sounds like someone has an issue with their chosen career path or that of others who chose differently and are doing better economically. Not a great way to widen the gap between the commercial and recreational fisherman. It seems to be turning into an "us against them" type of thing where the recreational guy has become the enemy. Yes, I do believe it was a pretty bad thing for them to do, but I have people steal my numbers while diving all the time....just gotta learn that times are changing and deal with it.

I've had times when I've steamed the 35+ miles to the east side of the bank across wide open waters bareely seeing another boat the entire trip, heading to some of my marked spots on my GPS only find that a boat is fishing 100' from my spot once I arrived.

I am sure these people thought I was doing just what you suggest here. However I was not going to go elsewhere simply because they were there first.

I've had times when I've steamed the 35+ miles to the east side of the bank across wide open waters bareely seeing another boat the entire trip, heading to some of my marked spots on my GPS only find that a boat is fishing 100' from my spot once I arrived.

I am sure these people thought I was doing just what you suggest here. However I was not going to go elsewhere simply because they were there first.
got yelled at 2 weeks ago from charter capt for same thing on he north west corner of all places;?

This is the common practice of the freshwater tournament bass fishermen wannabee, which I have seen firsthand! Guy idles by waves, and you hear "BEEP-BEEP" from his GPS, and he drives off, Next T, you see the jerkoff sitting rite on the sweetspot I spent hours and hours of graphing, underwater camera-ing, and side imaging. Alot of guys look forr certain boats they know are good stix, instead of keeping their nose to the electronics and puttin the time to find their own shit!! Its frustrating having someone pull up on you, but if you cant deal with it, your letting others ruin your time on the water. I have really changed my attitude and not let it wreck my fishing when it happens. I get pissed, but not like loli-pop !! His head or heart gonna explode, and maybe that jerkoff in the fancy pants boat is a doctor, or someone that WILL jump in his boat and save his ass. Too many people out there really have no clue. I watch boats on the Bank and shake my head. Although I dont fish for a living, I have been fishing there since 1974, Ive seen the good, the bad, and the ugly!! Past few years has been alot more of the bad & ugly!

Strange. I saw a posting two days ago that some guys in a Mako with a Honda were killing sea bass. They said they planned on heading out to the same spot they marked the next day, but there was some other guy there already. They said they asked him how the fishing was, which is a pretty common thing to do, and he acted like a DB. They wanted to say "Hey, these are OUR FISH, we found them yesterday", but then they realized that no one owns the ocean or the fish and to say something like that would serve only one purpose...to make them sound stupid, so they left and went to look somewhere else.

Probably a coincidence, right?

Strange. I saw a posting two days ago that some guys in a Mako with a Honda were killing sea bass. They said they planned on heading out to the same spot they marked the next day, but there was some other guy there already. They said they asked him how the fishing was, which is a pretty common thing to do, and he acted like a DB. They wanted to say "Hey, these are OUR FISH, we found them yesterday", but then they realized that no one owns the ocean or the fish and to say something like that would serve only one purpose...to make them sound stupid, so they left and went to look somewhere else.

Probably a coincidence, right?


blow me:thumbsup:

Nah, not into that, but thanks for the offer. Sure looks like you picked the right line of work though for your chosen lifestyle...miles offshore, no one around but you and your "mate".

Strange. I saw a posting two days ago that some guys in a Mako with a Honda were killing sea bass. They said they planned on heading out to the same spot they marked the next day, but there was some other guy there already. They said they asked him how the fishing was, which is a pretty common thing to do, and he acted like a DB. They wanted to say "Hey, these are OUR FISH, we found them yesterday", but then they realized that no one owns the ocean or the fish and to say something like that would serve only one purpose...to make them sound stupid, so they left and went to look somewhere else.

Probably a coincidence, right?

:thumbsup:

Try a little valium. Been on both sides and I knew the commercial guys got twisted over this stuff since it affects income, but I thought the THT recreational guys were out there to have and share fun, not to stake claims to pieces of the ocean bed. :)

You know, I usually refrain from all this crap but its getting old for sure. I know what its like to make a paycheck from fish and from working on the water, I've spent several years doing with it. I think I would be more pissed off that I went to only being allowed to sell 80lbs of sea bass rather than 200lbs of sea bass if I was following the rules and weren't selling under other peoples license's, selling off the board and other things. I know if I lost more than 50% of my salary I would be pissed as I am with this. The older generation feels that everything is still theirs. My father was a little mixed but I have four generations of fisherman going on well before we ever met these shores. When I am on a trip an someone comes up next to me, sure I get pissed but just smile and say, its just another day sometimes they bite sometimes they dont. Funny enough a couple, not a few, of people Ive talked to offshore through the season have actually come back to me and become my friends.

You know who I am out there, sometimes I feel that you people who feel the fish are theirs, the ocean is theres for us to go back to our desk job, should just put on here, your boat name, size and who you are so I know to stay the hell away from you. I don't need you to find my fish.

I don't work behind a desk, let me just tell you that. The honorable commercial fisherman (rod and reel) I have met have been fewer than I can recount. Sadly its a dying breed.

When I start sharing the same feelings of the original poster it will be time for a new hobby.

Strange. I saw a posting two days ago that some guys in a Mako with a Honda were killing sea bass. They said they planned on heading out to the same spot they marked the next day, but there was some other guy there already. They said they asked him how the fishing was, which is a pretty common thing to do, and he acted like a DB. They wanted to say "Hey, these are OUR FISH, we found them yesterday", but then they realized that no one owns the ocean or the fish and to say something like that would serve only one purpose...to make them sound stupid, so they left and went to look somewhere else.

Probably a coincidence, right?

That was f%<~}ng great !

I feel bad for a the dozen other guys in a mako with a honda who aren't assholes... Okay, maybe half dozen. I can think of three off the top of my head.

I feel bad for a the dozen other guys in a mako with a honda who aren't assholes... Okay, maybe half dozen. I can think of three off the top of my head.

I want to go fishing on my buddies now and wear a shirt and tie :jk:

I've seen it happen all too often. Even this past week I fished a stream trip on a headboat. Watched a guy pull up two decent grouper, by the time he turned around and got them unhooked and got baited up again, he had to slide over, someone had slid in.

On a personal note, if someone is asking where the action is on the radio, I'll usually be pretty vocal and let them know if and where Ive had any luck that day. I've never had anyone roll up on me, but if I did, Im sure Id act the same way. We're all out there to fish, I want to catch fish and I want everyone else on the water to catch fish too. A day of burning fuel to get skunked sucks.

Granted, tournament time is different, fend for yourself, asshole ;)

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

You know these guys that are catchin YOUR fish in YOUR ocean might just be around some day when you need help or maybe tow you in Lightin up man it's a big ocean maybe they fished there weeks before and came to check THERE spot

Oh and I am a carpenter and I'm glad to explain to someone how to make a rafter comfortable enough in my ability not to worry about it

Its the same with surfing. Some clown pulls up and sees you and your buddy pull into a couple of epic barrels and paddles out right on top of you when there are 10 open jetties in either direction.

When I was younger it used to piss me off.

NOW THAT I AM MATURE I simply say "what's up?" and share some waves with the dude and maybe make a new friend.

It's not my ocean and I have become more about passing on good vibes than being a dick.

Gee imagine if people actually looked at charts today. Boy there would be a whole lot more of what the OP is whining about. Good thing they don't or they might just stay to find out if your rock/wreck was producing on that tide

Hey squid boy! You and some of your commercial boys show just mentality challenged you really are!

my new rig will be a mako with Honda and i will name the boat " what are you catching"

one time i did call a boat over my spot to Sher the good fishing and give them my jigs because they didn't have the wright ones ! i fell good about it

Ok, i just want to get this out there for all you spot jumpers. I have dibs on ALL the fish on the SWC NWC and PHB.. MINE MINE MINE Keep OUT.

A month ago I chartered for a tuna trip out of Oregon inlet. The day before was blown out so nobody really knew where the tuna were. All the boats that left the inlet (recreational and charter) fanned out and when the first boat hooked up they got on the radio and told everyone where they found the tune. 45 minutes of steaming south and we were hooked up too. That's the way to fish. Sorry op but you have a piss poor attitude. Anytime someone asks me if I found a hot spot, I am more than willing to share. It's a big ocean and there are plenty of fish in it for everyone.

Lol, your spot, you are a clown. Next time make sure to follow all the great comments about heavers and do us all a favor and wind up in jail over a few pounds of fish.

John, that's nothing new-it's called the Cape Cod jumpf*&k. A wrist rocket and 1 oz egg sinkers is a pretty effective defense...

CMP

A shotgun is a nice defense against some retard with an egg sinker wrist rocket.

Ok, i just want to get this out there for all you spot jumpers. I have dibs on ALL the fish on the SWC NWC and PHB.. MINE MINE MINE Keep OUT.

Eh 'hem....
John...:nono:...southern boats stay south...northern boats stay north...

You guys are putting words in his mouth. He never said a thing about it being "his spot". He said clearly that the guy came up on him hard and essentially jump-fucked him. When someone finds fish, do you people seriously jump-fuck them as he described? I don't neccesarily agree with what he said about big money boats and land jobs as I have one of each, but the basic point is valid. It's not about commercial v. recreational as I've seen plenty of rec on rec jump-fucks as well, it's about common courtesy. And Gravy, I carry a far more accurate firearm than a shotgun too, so if you plan on escalating, prepare to have some real problems. It's really funny to hear you ppl try to justify a jump-fuck by twisting the op's words...

CMP

Are we realy talking about launching egg sinkers at another person? That is a felony around here. Now we are going to shoot each other. You guys must have better fish there than we do in Florida.

cmp I love your comment on the wrist rocket. If by chance our paths cross and you injure someone on my boat with an egg sinker, I/they will own everything you have now and for the rest of your looser life. Just another stupid comment from a guy who lives to throw in with squid boy and his ilk. Try to get a life. PLEASE

:thumbsup:You guys are putting words in his mouth. He never said a thing about it being "his spot". He said clearly that the guy came up on him hard and essentially jump-fucked him. When someone finds fish, do you people seriously jump-fuck them as he described? I don't neccesarily agree with what he said about big money boats and land jobs as I have one of each, but the basic point is valid. It's not about commercial v. recreational as I've seen plenty of rec on rec jump-fucks as well, it's about common courtesy. And Gravy, I carry a far more accurate firearm than a shotgun too, so if you plan on escalating, prepare to have some real problems. It's really funny to hear you ppl try to justify a jump-fuck by twisting the op's words...

CMP

cmp I love your comment on the wrist rocket. If by chance our paths cross and you injure someone on my boat with an egg sinker, I/they will own everything you have now and for the rest of your looser life. Just another stupid comment from a guy who lives to throw in with squid boy and his ilk. Try to get a life. PLEASE

Typical from this joisey douche. Ignoring the larger point to make some bullshit ad hominum-nothing new here. I'm not too concerned about running into you, dumbass as ppl in yer marina tell me you hardly ever leave the dock and are referred to as a pier queen. No surprise there at all. BTW, dumbass, learn to spell when attempting to insult someone-it's far more effective...

CMP

You guys are putting words in his mouth. He never said a thing about it being "his spot". He said clearly that the guy came up on him hard and essentially jump-fucked him. When someone finds fish, do you people seriously jump-fuck them as he described? I don't neccesarily agree with what he said about big money boats and land jobs as I have one of each, but the basic point is valid. It's not about commercial v. recreational as I've seen plenty of rec on rec jump-fucks as well, it's about common courtesy. And Gravy, I carry a far more accurate firearm than a shotgun too, so if you plan on escalating, prepare to have some real problems. It's really funny to hear you ppl try to justify a jump-fuck by twisting the op's words...

CMP


This I can agree with.

My favorite heard east of the bank was "this is my spot" after I had been fishing there alone for 2 hours. I continued to outfish his charter 3 to 1 and made sure to hold up my 20 lb cod for his charter to see.

DOUCHE

This I can agree with.

See, we're makin' progress, Gravy! ;) Altho the OP didn't state it well, he was speaking to a problem that many of us have experienced when pier queens who can't be bothered to work to find fish simply jump those who do. The larger point is a good one...

CMP

Well sure souonds like they made your day!!. I would have at least used the radio..
I ask alot of questions myself,(and I already know a good amount) but most of the time I get more than enough information from just being polite and asking questions. I have a land job..so ???I'm also putting money into that small economy down there at the Marina and probably your neighbor hood...So lighten up..:;)

Ahh this reminds me of a weather day in a fishing tournament when all sorts of problems come out! Alot more problems start on the forum than on the water! We'll almost.

See, we're makin' progress, Gravy! ;) Altho the OP didn't state it well, he was speaking to a problem that many of us have experienced when pier queens who can't be bothered to work to find fish simply jump those who do. The larger point is a good one...

CMP

How do you know that the OP didn't steal the spot from the guys in the Honda-powered Mako?

I read the Op..........And I didn't read where they jumped his spot. He said they asked how the fishing was. Asking a question is jumping someone's spot? Who's putting words in who's mouth now?


Typical from this joisey douche. Ignoring the larger point to make some bullshit ad hominum-nothing new here. I'm not too concerned about running into you, dumbass as ppl in yer marina tell me you hardly ever leave the dock and are referred to as a pier queen. No surprise there at all. BTW, dumbass, learn to spell when attempting to insult someone-it's far more effective...

CMP

The name-calling is great. What are you going to do next......beat him up at recess?

Listen, nobody wants another boat setting up right on top of you and usually it is indeed not good etiquette but the OPer sounds like a raging lunatic, not to mention an a-hole. Some people may not realize it so how about you say "yup a few fish around but PLEASE don't crowd me". Just for sheets and giggles I just may setup right on lolipop and see if I can make his head explode.

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

You guys are putting words in his mouth. He never said a thing about it being "his spot". He said clearly that the guy came up on him hard and essentially jump-fucked him. When someone finds fish, do you people seriously jump-fuck them as he described? I don't neccesarily agree with what he said about big money boats and land jobs as I have one of each, but the basic point is valid. It's not about commercial v. recreational as I've seen plenty of rec on rec jump-fucks as well, it's about common courtesy. And Gravy, I carry a far more accurate firearm than a shotgun too, so if you plan on escalating, prepare to have some real problems. It's really funny to hear you ppl try to justify a jump-fuck by twisting the op's words...

CMP


I can't find where he clearly states that he was jump-fucked. Could you point it out for us? All I can find is where he says that they asked a question and then left within a few minutes.




It's really funny to hear how you can try to justify your opinion by twisting any words that you can.

look up the word essentially, dumbass, then review adverbs. The jump-fuck was my interpretation of his words wherein they came up on him hard ("drove right up on me"). Never claimed he said it. Nice try, skippy. So how often do you employ the old jump-fuck? Given your defense of it, I suspect quite a bit...

CMP

Is just another loud mouth, know it all, keyboard jockey. I'll bet he is 5'-2",
130 lbs. and pissed off about his small stature. A real man doesn't need a wrist rocket or
a gun. Just fish and STFU.

Ahhh, another pier-queen who employs the jump-fuck instead fo finding them himself heard from. What's the matter, deck-monkey, hitting a little too close to home???

CMP

look up the word essentially, dumbass, then review adverbs. The jump-fuck was my interpretation of his words wherein they came up on him hard ("drove right up on me"). Never claimed he said it. Nice try, skippy. So how often do you employ the old jump-fuck? Given your defense of it, I suspect quite a bit...

CMP

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Now that we've got that out of the way....



Define "Jump-fuck".

I don't think it means "Asking a question relating to the task currently being performed."

According to the OP, that's all the Honda-toting-Mako-driver did.........He asked a question.


While I agree with you that jump-fucking is a rediculous thing to do to someone, I just can't find where the OP said he was Jump-fucked. I can only find where he was asked a question.

So, since I respected you and our debate by responding to your suggestion to look-up the definition of "essentially", maybe you can man up and have the same respect for me and our debate as I did and answer my question:

All I can find is where he says that they asked a question and then left within a few minutes. I can't find where he clearly states that he was jump-fucked. Could you point it out for us?

And.......while we're at it.......what's with the name calling? I noticed you do that more often than most....First CB Haws, then me and now The Capt. Is that your defense mechanism for when you get out of your comfort zone in an adult, educated discussion?

Are you one of those "I'm louder so I'm right" kind of guys (we all know the type) who can't be loud on the internet so you revert to name-calling in a feeble attempt to assert your ego-driven super-masculinity onto those who have a different opinion than you? ;?

Or

Are you too ignorant to come up with anything else and the childish name-calling is an ingrained, knee-jerk reaction of yours spawned from many, many years of fellings of inadequacy with regard to your intellect?

look up the word essentially, dumbass, then review adverbs. The jump-fuck was my interpretation of his words wherein they came up on him hard ("drove right up on me"). Never claimed he said it. Nice try, skippy. So how often do you employ the old jump-fuck? Given your defense of it, I suspect quite a bit...

CMP

Guess everything is open to interpretation. I don't see where he said they came up on him hard, this is what he said drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. My interpretation would be that if he saw them off in the distance coming towards him (after steaming several miles), not at an excessively high rate of speed (again steaming, not hauling ass) and asked if they were catching any sea bass, they may have set a course for that position long before he saw them and were trying to access how long he had been there or intended to stay. Now, if he saw them in the distance and they made a severe change in course and made a bee line for his position, dropped their anchor and adjusted their scope to be sitting 20' off his port side and then dropped lines in the water....that in my interpretation would be in your words "jump-fucking" his spot.

I have done it several times, mark a spot a few miles away on my chart plotter and start making my way directly towards it (shortest distance between two points is a straight line), while making my way towards the spot I see a boat in the distance and wonder if they are on the exact spot I have plotted or if they are in the general area. From a distance, I can't tell if they are 1/4 mile this side of my numbers or a 1/4 mile the other side of my numbers or not near them at all. If they are on my numbers, I pull back the throttles and idle up within a reasonable distance and ask them how there day is going and if their catching anything. Sometimes they will tell me they have been there for awhile and haven't caught anything and if I hold off a few minutes they are getting ready to leave, or they have one more fish to catch and they'll be at their limit and leaving after that, they just got there or whatever the case may be. If they said they just got there or don't appear to be leaving anytime soon, I will go to my chart plotter and see what numbers I have in the area or see where we may want to go as an alternate location. Even though the numbers are in my chart plotter and I have used them before and decided the night before while sitting in my house many miles away while planning my trip that is where I wanted to go tomorrow, I do not own the numbers. It is first come, first served.

WOW, I'm glad I don't fish and I don't think I'll start now. Sounds like there are a lot of mean and angry people out there, and there aren't enough fish in the sea to make them all happy.

John, that's nothing new-it's called the Cape Cod jumpf*&k. A wrist rocket and 1 oz egg sinkers is a pretty effective defense...

CMP

Sure tough guy! :sleeping:

Seriously though, it does suck when someone comes up and tries to take your spot or
edge in on you! On LI we call it a mugging! :grin:
I've seen party boats do this lots!
I've got a spot nobody knows.... :thumbsup:

just look at cmp's sig. you're wasting your time on that idiot

Six, go ahead and justify your "fish-finding" method all you like with asinine circular "logic" if you like-not worth my time. As to the deckhand and cb douche, we have a long history-they are pier queens who would argue with me if I said it gets dark at night in Colorado, so dealing with them in any other manner is a waste of time. As to me claiming the OP said he was jump-fucked, you clearly cannot break down a sentence and I'm not really interested in teaching you how, so I won't waste time. The larger point stands, despite your silly attempts to deflect it. The OP felt he was jump-fucked, my term for what I believe happened, and the pier queens among us who countenance that stupidity go after him and, by extension, me. Same shit, different day, nothing to see here PFFFFFTTT...

CMP

Six, go ahead and justify your "fish-finding" method all you like with asinine circular "logic" if you like-not worth my time. As to the deckhand and cb douche, we have a long history-they are pier queens who would argue with me if I said it gets dark at night in Colorado, so dealing with them in any other manner is a waste of time. As to me claiming the OP said he was jump-fucked, you clearly cannot break down a sentence and I'm not really interested in teaching you how, so I won't waste time. The larger point stands, despite your silly attempts to deflect it. The OP felt he was jump-fucked, my term for what I believe happened, and the pier queens among us who countenance that stupidity go after him and, by extension, me. Same shit, different day, nothing to see here PFFFFFTTT...

CMP


I'm not justifying anything, least of all my fish-finding methods. My fish-finding methods haven't even been discussed here.

Why is this not worth your time? Someone answers you back with logic and suddenly it's not worth your time. That's funny, name-calling is worth your time, but a logic-driven discussion isn't.

I don't need to break down a sentence. I just quoted what you typed. Don't try to hide behind grammatical semantics.

How do you know what the OP felt? I surely don't, so I have to rely on what he typed. There is no mention of "Jump-fucking" in his post. Furthermore, how is asking a question jump-fucking?


What I think happened here is that you misinterpreted something and used the minunderstanding as an opportunity to climb up on your soapbox. Runabout has a pretty good scenario for what may have happened.

Did you read it?

Do you want us to believe that Runabout's scenario is totally and completely impossible and in no way could have happened?

"Pier Queen":rofl:

WOW, I'm glad I don't fish and I don't think I'll start now. Sounds like there are a lot of mean and angry people out there, and there aren't enough fish in the sea to make them all happy.

Don't be discouraged from fishing, the OP and his allies are not the norm, they are a minority.

Anybody that suggests shooting or throwing anything at another boat b/c someone is close to their fishing spot is a complete moron. Theyre are all bark and no bite. They don't have the BALLS to tell someone off to their face (as the OP should have). They make themselves feel better by protraying themselves as tough guys in an on-line forum.

Don't be discouraged from fishing, the OP and his allies are not the norm, they are a minority.

Anybody that suggests shooting or throwing anything at another boat b/c someone is close to their fishing spot is a complete moron. Theyre are all bark and no bite. They don't have the BALLS to tell someone off to their face (as the OP should have). They make themselves feel better by protraying themselves as tough guys in an on-line forum.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Wow, that was fun. CMP, no one "went after you". You seem to have injected yourself into this conversation all by yourself. Oddly enough, you initially criticized people for "putting words into the OP's mouth", then defended you putting words in the OP's mouth (explained this time as your "interpretation") in like 4 posts.

As for you nimrods barking about lobbing egg sinkers and popping caps...um, could we all dial down the internet toughguyisms? The OP was foolish, he seems to have realized that and has now gone away, but his thread lives on because people sitting behind a keyboard feel some need to prove their internet manhood.

For the record...and I am 100% positive about this. Not one single person here has ever shot a sinker at another boat. No one's fired a round either. No one probably even carries a gun on board...so enough of the toughguy bullshit.

As for the guy discouraged from fishing...here's the thing. You shouldn't be discouraged from fishing, but rather you should be discouraged from engaging morons on a fishing forum. As the OP demonstrated, even those with the worst bark don't say a thing in real life. After all, that's what the internet is for, right? So go wet your lines wherever you please. If you roll up on me, its all good. Something tells me that if I've found fish, there's more than just one down there. If not, well it's time to move anyway.

This is my spot! These are my fish! Go ahead. Show me the wrist rocket!

This is my spot! These are my fish! Go ahead. Show me the wrist rocket!

His wrist rocket is put away but the wrist is still getting a workout..... :o

so let me get this straight,most of you think its alright to pull up on somebody and start fishing next to them ?Or going up to them and asking them if their catching anything? when what they r really doing, in all reality, is writing the spot down for future reference that they never knew existed in all probability.Thats not how it works people.I dont know the circumstances of this situation, but the responses i see are what causes some serious altercations on the water.Why is it always the guys who r just starting think its alright to steal spots ?Especially the new so called comm fisherman,who is usually a weekend warrior looking for the boats he knows catches fish.Ive commented on this before and its getting worse on the water since this internet bs has started.Worse thing to ever happen To fishing along with the new electronics and the dreaded lolly pop cursor to steal spots with from miles away.Now the weekend warrior or desk jockey can go out in one day and steal and save spots that took the honest guy his whole life to find WITH HARD WORK AND ALOT OF STRIKING OUT.So if u have an altercation out there with the wrong person, doing this type of bs i just described ,DONT ASK YOPURSELF WHY

so let me get this straight,most of you think its alright to pull up on somebody and start fishing next to them ?

From reading the posts, I think most of us agree that it's absolutely wrong to do what you're saying we think it's ok to do. What's a howl is the posts that talk about guns and lead weights and automatic weapons and so on. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://www.wmtw.com/r/20123698/detail.html

Eh 'hem....
John...:nono:...southern boats stay south...northern boats stay north...

AWWW Man..... Not the North South thing. dag nab it. You northern boys are no fun. :(

I've seen guys throw leads, cut lines, throw fish guts, slam into boats and get into fights at the dock over stuff just like this. For you people that think fishing is just a fun day on the water, you should put yourselves in the shoes of commercial fisherman. Earn your fish and you will be respected, jump f@#k someone and you will receive your due.

so let me get this straight,most of you think its alright to pull up on somebody and start fishing next to them ?Or going up to them and asking them if their catching anything? when what they r really doing, in all reality, is writing the spot down for future reference that they never knew existed in all probability.Thats not how it works people.I dont know the circumstances of this situation, but the responses i see are what causes some serious altercations on the water.Why is it always the guys who r just starting think its alright to steal spots ?Especially the new so called comm fisherman,who is usually a weekend warrior looking for the boats he knows catches fish.Ive commented on this before and its getting worse on the water since this internet bs has started.Worse thing to ever happen To fishing along with the new electronics and the dreaded lolly pop cursor to steal spots with from miles away.Now the weekend warrior or desk jockey can go out in one day and steal and save spots that took the honest guy his whole life to find WITH HARD WORK AND ALOT OF STRIKING OUT.So if u have an altercation out there with the wrong person, doing this type of bs i just described ,DONT ASK YOPURSELF WHY


ITS THE F'N Ocean, nobody owns any spots, your spots arn't secrets. I have "Spots" that sometimes are good, but sometimes produce zero.

ITS THE F'N Ocean, nobody owns any spots, your spots arn't secrets. I have "Spots" that sometimes are good, but sometimes produce zero.

True no one owns the ocean, nor are they anyone's spots, but it is a scum rude move to start fishing within yelling distance of a single boat. Areas like the swc, phb, nwc ect its unavoidable on a weekend and everyone should know that.

I don't consider it rude to join the fleet in a drift, just when your fishing alone and a suck is passing by and stops to fish near you. You don't gotta pull up to someone to ask how they are doing, hail them on the radio !

When someone is trolling is it cool for you guys to pass close by their spread? Go in between a kite line and the boat? Buzz by a stick boat closely?

Giving people some room is the right thing to do.

That's beautiful!! You're so right Loligo. Hilarious. Love this post. What I like to do as someone is driving by closely watching, is to take the line with one hand off the end of the rod and pull back hard so that the rod is bent over, bouncing it with your other hand. Thus, simulating a big fish on the line. It's hilarous to watch the other boats stop and watch intensity. Then, I release the line, the rod tip jumps up and act like the line broke and lost a big fish. After a few vulgar words, they take off, especially if they have kids,

I'm new to this forum and like alot of the info that I am able to get from it, but why are there so many
xxxholes out there? All this feeling of entitlement. And so defensive. Maybe you should take all this anger an go fight in Afganistan where my son just came home from after his 7th tour. So much hate, my god..Hopefully I will have enough commonsense to avoid you guys when I'm out this summer.

What it really comes down to is being polite. Is it polite to roll up and fish where someone else is, provided its not a fleet? Nope. Is it polite to ask how the fishing is if you see someone fishing? Yep. Is it polite to ignore the person asking? Nope.

What it seems to all come down to is an "us vs them" mentality. All these hard working fisherman don't think anyone else's vocation is hard work. I sit behind a desk, yes, but does that make my job "easier" than yours? Physically, for sure, but mentally? The market which dictates our salaries seems to indicate the answer is no. So is it cool for me to just say that I'm smarter than you, not knowing you at all? Do you honestly believe that everyone who doesn't work on a boat is smarter than you are? If so, that's a terrible way to roll through life.

Bluefin, a big thank you to your son, you, and your family for the sacrifices you've all made so we can argue about who owns a particular "spot" in the ocean.

That said...I call dibs on Cape Cod Bay and 50 miles North of it. Please contact me via PM if you desire permission to fish in my "spot". While I'm at my desk now, I've been fishing those waters for the better part of 30 years, so they're mine because, like the majority of the sophomoric comments here, "I called it".

Wow, that was fun. CMP, no one "went after you". You seem to have injected yourself into this conversation all by yourself. Oddly enough, you initially criticized people for "putting words into the OP's mouth", then defended you putting words in the OP's mouth (explained this time as your "interpretation") in like 4 posts.

As for you nimrods barking about lobbing egg sinkers and popping caps...um, could we all dial down the internet toughguyisms? The OP was foolish, he seems to have realized that and has now gone away, but his thread lives on because people sitting behind a keyboard feel some need to prove their internet manhood.

For the record...and I am 100% positive about this. Not one single person here has ever shot a sinker at another boat. No one's fired a round either. No one probably even carries a gun on board...so enough of the toughguy bullshit.

As for the guy discouraged from fishing...here's the thing. You shouldn't be discouraged from fishing, but rather you should be discouraged from engaging morons on a fishing forum. As the OP demonstrated, even those with the worst bark don't say a thing in real life. After all, that's what the internet is for, right? So go wet your lines wherever you please. If you roll up on me, its all good. Something tells me that if I've found fish, there's more than just one down there. If not, well it's time to move anyway.


Very well said jzima, very well said.

What it really comes down to is being polite. Is it polite to roll up and fish where someone else is, provided its not a fleet? Nope. Is it polite to ask how the fishing is if you see someone fishing? Yep. Is it polite to ignore the person asking? Nope.

What it seems to all come down to is an "us vs them" mentality. All these hard working fisherman don't think anyone else's vocation is hard work. I sit behind a desk, yes, but does that make my job "easier" than yours? Physically, for sure, but mentally? The market which dictates our salaries seems to indicate the answer is no. So is it cool for me to just say that I'm smarter than you, not knowing you at all? Do you honestly believe that everyone who doesn't work on a boat is smarter than you are? If so, that's a terrible way to roll through life.

Bluefin, a big thank you to your son, you, and your family for the sacrifices you've all made so we can argue about who owns a particular "spot" in the ocean.

That said...I call dibs on Cape Cod Bay and 50 miles North of it. Please contact me via PM if you desire permission to fish in my "spot". While I'm at my desk now, I've been fishing those waters for the better part of 30 years, so they're mine because, like the majority of the sophomoric comments here, "I called it".

haha funny... tks jzima

Jzima and GravyBoy are the reasons why I don't post on here anymore. These kind of people don't get anything about respect. What if I came into your office on my day off and starting F*@King with your work, how do you think that would go?

I am still new to the fishing scene and I have people come over to were I am fishing and try their luck and I really could careless. I work very hard Monday - Friday running my business and I look forward to getting out on the water on Saturday and Sunday. I could honestly careless if I catch anything. I enjoy relaxing and having fun with the people closest to me. So when I see things like this posted about DB's being antisocial I honestly can say I feel bad for them because they have no idea how much fun the boating/fishing is and how normal people think that these guys are a$$holes!!

No one probably even carries a gun on board...

Skimmed the tread, not much interest, but don't assume the above to be true.

Jzima and GravyBoy are the reasons why I don't post on here anymore. These kind of people don't get anything about respect. What if I came into your office on my day off and starting F*@King with your work, how do you think that would go?

Maybe you should use a wrist rocket to launch a sinker at them.

Jzima and GravyBoy are the reasons why I don't post on here anymore. These kind of people don't get anything about respect. What if I came into your office on my day off and starting F*@King with your work, how do you think that would go?

you want respect? Its hard to respect an a-hole like you and the original poster. Threatening violence if someone has the audacity to ask how the fishing is. I was going to sit back and continue to enjoy the banter but could not resist. So now YOUR office is the entire ocean. Now, I NEVER set lines on top of someone else...never. However I won't call someone an dick for asking me how the fishing is and then come online and whine like a little bitch about it. Would I prefer they hail me on the radio as opposed to shouting from 20 feet away...of course. But listening to blowhards like you and your perceived entitlement to the entire ocean is laughable. In fact this whole thread is laughable. Just because you and some other posters here clearly hate your jobs and are miserable SOB's does not affect me in the slightest. I don't give a rats arse about you. If you don't like posting here goto
www.a-hole.fisherman.com/forums Joker.

Simple enough to resolve, people who dont want any company would fly a flag like or :grin:

The rest of us could fly a flag like

I think the OP could have made his point effectively without insulting the broader base of rec. guy's and referring to them as "wannabe j/o's" . I certainly used my "land job" to buy my boat but don't need to steal the "real fisherman's" spots to find fish.

I used to think golfers were the most uptight bunch until I read some recent posts by certain charter/commercial guy's. Good thing they represent the minority.

I can understand the op's position, I have never pulled up to anyone and asked how the fishing is. People have pulled up to us and asked, which I dont really mind but then again its not my livelyhood.

i dont know but unless you know the boat, stay away from it! EVERYONES going about their own buisness on the water an even if someone is where i planned on fishing id stay a feww hundred yards or so away from them, a polite wave is all i want to do when i see someone in a similar spot, not go up to them and talk about their friggen life story about fishing..

I am amazed at how territorial some fishermen are. I've been fishing since I was 10 or 12 or so and i can tell you that i could care less if my reels are bent and someone comes along to join in on the fun. I don't own the ocean and I'm not going to assume that I am the all-knowing fisherman and the guy who comes up to my "honey hole" is a newbie idiot. I have no problems telling people where "my" spots are and over the past 40 years, I've been lucky that lots of people were nice enough to give me info on their favorite spots.

Man you should have seen all the jump f*cking up on the bow bells today or everyday! Love that new term... I got bow belled jump f*cked today several times. Then I actually stared in amazement how these headboats were catching such small fish when I saw some of the nicest scup I've seen in a while. I think headboats are magnets for short scup! Charter 6paks!

you want respect? Its hard to respect an a-hole like you and the original poster. Threatening violence if someone has the audacity to ask how the fishing is. I was going to sit back and continue to enjoy the banter but could not resist. So now YOUR office is the entire ocean. Now, I NEVER set lines on top of someone else...never. However I won't call someone an dick for asking me how the fishing is and then come online and whine like a little bitch about it. Would I prefer they hail me on the radio as opposed to shouting from 20 feet away...of course. But listening to blowhards like you and your perceived entitlement to the entire ocean is laughable. In fact this whole thread is laughable. Just because you and some other posters here clearly hate your jobs and are miserable SOB's does not affect me in the slightest. I don't give a rats arse about you. If you don't like posting here goto
www.a-hole.fisherman.com/forums Joker.


Perfectly Said

Simple enough solution. Someone sets up too close I just leave. And in the process steam right over their lines, gear, balloons, kites etc. they just set up. They say anything I just say "Huh, what? What are you talking about? You put gear out? Huh, I don't understand? Like you I'm just really, really confused out here and was just leaving to go to another spot."

I belong to several fishing forums and have yet to come across such angry fishermen. In Jersey I talk with a lot of charter guides and they even let me follow them to spots. Then I see this kind of talk and it seems to be a northern thing. (no offense to the normal northern fishermen). I am a weekend fishermen because I choose a career path of running my own business monday through friday so if you wanna make fun of the guys who support the economy of these shore areas then you my friend are a perfect example of an idiot. The ocean is not owned by any individual and Im sure if you throw sinkers at a boat you will get your ass kicked.

IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!

:thumbsup::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Strange. I saw a posting two days ago that some guys in a Mako with a Honda were killing sea bass. They said they planned on heading out to the same spot they marked the next day, but there was some other guy there already. They said they asked him how the fishing was, which is a pretty common thing to do, and he acted like a DB. They wanted to say "Hey, these are OUR FISH, we found them yesterday", but then they realized that no one owns the ocean or the fish and to say something like that would serve only one purpose...to make them sound stupid, so they left and went to look somewhere else.

Probably a coincidence, right?

I wish I had your problems Op, to be on the water all the time fishing, just must be a miserable existance! Funny to, because I use to have charters follow my little mako around when I lived up north all the time. If this is all you have to bitch about, feel lucky!:grin:

I forgot I did the exact same thing that the OP flipped over, in the Keys this winter. I rented a 22' CC and took the wife out for day, I bought all the gear to fish for that day since I didnt bring any with me. The tackle shop pointed me to a general area to catch yellowtail. We motored around, not having any clue where we were, so I looked for structure on my handheld GPS, about 8 miles out there was a reef, and we drifted and fished, nothing. So I ran another couple miles, saw me a fleet of boats, headed that direction, noticed from a distance they were fishing the northern edge of the reef for yellowtail. There was a 24 Carolina Skiff type boat a mile away, so I idled up to him and asked him how the fishing was? The guy told me all the boats, and himself were commercial yellowtail fishing, he's been fishing that area for 40 years. He also told me if I went about 1/2 mile on the reef, pointed the marker out, he said I would catchall the smaller yellwtails I wanted, as they werent the bigger ones he was looking for!! I thanked him, and moved off. It never dawned on me that they could be commercial fishing out there. I have never been on a boat in the keys before and hope the guy forgives me for jump fukking him??!! I thought I was being fairly courteous, and the fisherman certainly was nice enough to us !!

Is just another loud mouth, know it all, keyboard jockey. I'll bet he is 5'-2",
130 lbs. and pissed off about his small stature. A real man doesn't need a wrist rocket or
a gun. Just fish and STFU.

Wanna bet....?

This so freakin funny....all I had to do is post something the least bit controversial and all you "lets share the fish" fags start salivating. Too funny.

You fucks don't get it; we have 3 days a week to MAKE A LIVING and when some f'n retard who wants to share your fish with himself, some turd with a boat and a pair of grundens who plays fisherman a few times a year
tries to jump me when theres no fish around and I am on a little tiny piece of bottom miles from anyone, because I've been fishing the area for 22 years, but he doesn't even consider anything but makin a buck so he can put more gas in his boat, I tend to get a little pissed off. Don't like it? Too f'n bad.

All of you who responded against are probably the same kind of drive around lookin for the other guys catchin, type of a-holes.

I agree that alot of the talk here is getting a little out of hand, but you have to see that some ill feelings can come to be. Take the commercial bass guy for example; starts fishing a month before the season opens - fishes 5-6 days a weeks to find a concentration of fish - possibly establish a pattern w/ bait, movement, etc. A month into it, and a couple grand in fuel later, the season opens. Day #1 he catches great fish because of the work he put in - Day #2 boats from 30 miles north & south are swarming him...no he doesn't "own" the ocean - but isn't it reasonable to understand where this frustration can come in to play...

I think the reason alot of people are on these forums is becasue they want to be better fishermen - they're not here just scouting out info, they want to learn - that being said, you're investing some time. For those of us investing even more (more money than typical), does it give us bona fide rights to the sea per se, no...but it should be worth something...and is, to those that take their fishing as seriously as the ones that invest day in and day out. Anyone that fishes this way - will understand this. Try it out - take 2 weeks off from work, drop $2,000 in fuel, and go out searching for the best fishing spot in your local area - when you find it, the best spot you've ever come across, come back to THT and post the numbers.

There are a few real good fisherman on this forum that have yet to pipe in - especially some charter guys - I'm sure the majority of them feel the same but they're not posting...they're focusing their efforts elsewhere...finding fish! Kudos to them for being able to refrain from the obvious.

Head Boats out of Carolina Beach do it all the time, they try to intimidate you off a spot by their size.

first let me say I agree 100% wil not jumping someone on the water. if I see a commercial guy i realize he makes a living doing this and try to stay clear of him. ex. few years ago I am fishing the OB shark tournament I put in 4-5 hours of chumming and setting up a slick and here comes a trawler behing me maybe 1/2 mile back. now I am pissed i set up shop all day long and here comes a trawler right thru my slick pretty much cutting my day in half. i could have got him on the radio sreamed yelled etc but instead I figure shit I do this for fun even thought there is a lot of money on the line in the tournament this trawler makes a living doing this. cant bust his balls. well karma comes back and we get a real nice mako 20 mins after he cuts me off.

now the flip side of this is all i hear is comemrcial guys bitch about the regs the time they put in etc etc. yes the regs are aweful and I feel for you and it sucks. but you know what.. being a commercial fishermen is a choice no one is putting a gun to your head makeing you do this. i have my own business as well and i am sure alot of people do on this board as well. and no busines is easy. we all have our problems. expenses keep going up and profit keeps going down. but its a choice we all make so stop the complaining of the industry and either fish and suck it up or get out. i am sure there is something else you can do.

witht the way the techonology is now no spot is a secret anymore someone can see you on radar. or someone posts online about it. should anybody jump a commercal guy or rec guy for that matter no. but if I am 300 yards ways from you in the same area whats the problem. you guys should be catching more of the fish than me regardless seeing your the experts and I am just fishing with a empty hook..

Wanna bet....?

This so freakin funny....all I had to do is post something the least bit controversial and all you "lets share the fish" fags start salivating. Too funny.

You fucks don't get it; we have 3 days a week to MAKE A LIVING and when some f'n retard who wants to share your fish with himself, some turd with a boat and a pair of grundens who plays fisherman a few times a year
tries to jump me when theres no fish around and I am on a little tiny piece of bottom miles from anyone, because I've been fishing the area for 22 years, but he doesn't even consider anything but makin a buck so he can put more gas in his boat, I tend to get a little pissed off. Don't like it? Too f'n bad.

All of you who responded against are probably the same kind of drive around lookin for the other guys catchin, type of a-holes.

So, you are only disputing that he is 5’-2”, 130 lbs.
Not the fact that he is a loud mouth, know it all
And pissed about his stature.

Listen, until com. fisherman start paying rent on fishing spots, STFU.
It’s not your ocean, I don’t give a fu*k if you decided to make a career
exploiting our resources. I’ve been fishing for 50 years, some commercial.
I would never tell someone they can’t fish near me. People follow me all the time.
As long as it’s at a safe distance, I don’t care.


Oh yea, that spot you were fishing. You probably found it when you
set up next to me.

I get jumped all the time. My 35 Bertram always attracts a crowd. Two years ago I was fluking new the Barnegat Ridge. Not another boat within 3 miles. Along comes a 65-70 foot brand new Viking right next to me and downwind to boot. All I did was pull up and go to his downwind side maybe 20 feet and started my drift. After a few minutes he got the point and moved off. Guess he did not want the rib rail of my old Bertram to scratch up his brand new boat.
I have been jumped by pair trawlers who would call on the vhf to move out of their way after we dropped a could hundred bucks of butterfish over the transom. I was on fishing on a boat that got their anchor snagged by a squid boat and had to cut off. An hour later the squid boat did return the anchor and chain. I got a nice bluefin cut off by another dragger in broad daylight.
Couple years as we were running back from Mako Mania we hit a huge schools of bluefins that were hungry. We caught a few and the crew broke off a few and I called a couple of buddies over. Maybe 4 boats showed up and we all had fun.
Guys like squid boy and cmp are the real douche bags. By the way cmp I don't keep my boat at a marina. but behind my very nice waterfront home. So I don't know where you came up with the info from my marina mates my boat was a dock queen. I guess you like letting your toothless wonder do your talking. Like you do most of the time.
How's the wrist? Getting it shape for the season with daily workouts?

Jzima and GravyBoy are the reasons why I don't post on here anymore. These kind of people don't get anything about respect. What if I came into your office on my day off and starting F*@King with your work, how do you think that would go?

I think it would make for a great story, that's how I think it would go. Here's the thing. I'm not "fu$%ing with your work. I'm fishing. I've invested my time and a lot of my money into this hobby. If your hobby is to come into my office and also interpret SEC guidance, come right in. Perhaps I can learn something from you, perhaps you from me. In the end though, we'd both be working towards the same goal, right?

The funny thing in your post is you talk about "respect". So I get this straight...because I didn't choose to fish as a livelihood, when I do fish it's disrespectful to those that did? Do you really think that I spent money on my boat and gear and get up before the sun to merely "f$#k" with you? If so, then you've got bigger problems to deal with buddy.

I fish because I love fishing. At some point in your life, you did too. Maybe by making it a job, you somehow lost that love and now view those that still have it as people just trying to "f$#k" with you. That's too bad man. I feel sorry for you.

This all boils down to ethics while fishing. If you do not have the common sense to provide another fisherman with the room to do their job or hobby then you should not be allowed to buy a boat. I don't care whether your fishing for bluefin on the bank or togs on a reef. You should give everyone the proper amount of space to allow them to effectively catch fish. Do you really think 20 boats anchored together within a football field is going to increase your odds of hooking and landing a giant bluefin? Same can be said for all species of fish. It seems eveyone these days wants to fish where all the boats are. No one is willing to take a chance and find their own fish. Some of my best days have resulted when I choose to pass by the fleet and find my own fish. Free from morons running over each others lines, or anchoring 10 feet away. By doing that you will become a better fisherman.

Could you guys who are commercials please post up pictures of your vessels so I know which boat(s) I need to stay away from, or at least an accurate description?

Could you guys who are commercials please post up pictures of your vessels so I know which boat(s) I need to stay away from, or at least an accurate description?

Anything with more rust than paint......

Could you guys who are commercials please post up pictures of your vessels so I know which boat(s) I need to stay away from, or at least an accurate description?

You just don't get it do you guys. It's not a rec. vs. comm. thing. I'm a rec guy and I want my space too. If you drive up on me and I don't know who you are and your looking to have a conversation about how the fishing is your not going to be recieved by me or my crew in a good way.

look up the word essentially, dumbass, then review adverbs. The jump-fuck was my interpretation of his words wherein they came up on him hard ("drove right up on me"). Never claimed he said it. Nice try, skippy. So how often do you employ the old jump-fuck? Given your defense of it, I suspect quite a bit...

CMP

wow, only half way through this thread but what a freakin idiot, seems to have a bit of the old napolean complex. get a life . why do u even bother with the tht? obviously you are far superior in your fish finding and catching abilities. don't guys like u have a secret password protected forum where u can enter and piss and moan about how your life fucking sucks and not annoy the other 98% of us non commercial guys here? i'm not in agreement with crowding anyone whether they r anchored or trolling but jesus there is a way to get ur point across w/out being such a fucking idiot

(oh yeah, hows my spelling teach?)

Would it be rude if I asked if I could tie up alongside?, I have my own fenders.


If not, could I at least get some help from you anchoring up, possibly using your anchor line?, I mean, you are already firmly in place, right?



Come on, really now, I'm just serious.

Being a MA native, it kills me to say this but this kind of attitude is why the rest of the country calls us "Massholes"

To get so mad to the point where you would throw something at another boat because you are asked if you are having any luck is beyond me.

A question for the "spot" supporters here. Let's say you've fished for 10 years. In those 10 years, you found a great "spot" that routinely raises fish. You go out one day to you honey hole because you need to make rent, but, you find me there. I'm just a guy who was out looking on his own and found the same spot you did...the same way you did years ago...unoccupied.

Do you guys move on or start fishing? No need to answer...we already know.

A question for the "spot" supporters here. Let's say you've fished for 10 years. In those 10 years, you found a great "spot" that routinely raises fish. You go out one day to you honey hole because you need to make rent, but, you find me there. I'm just a guy who was out looking on his own and found the same spot you did...the same way you did years ago...unoccupied.

Do you guys move on or start fishing? No need to answer...we already know.

I would move on because in my 15 plus years of fishing I have found many more than one good spot to find fish. It's a big ocean. I like to use all of it.;)

There is a need to answer jzima.

The answer is obvious, AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE!!!, threats, yelled from boat to boat, holding up colorful water ballons, nasty text messages, and possibly sexting.

The root or crux of the problem is that between all the publications that have made so many spots/areas public knowledge, coupled with GPS/Sonar/StructureScan's and the masses that can afford to buy and run a boat, it will never "Go away", it will just get worse.

if your going to your honey hole and you need to rasie fish to make rent. you got bigger problems then worrying about someone sitting on your spot. also whos to say if I am in your honey hole. I havent been fishing there for 30 year 20 more than you. does that make it my hole seing I have been there longer? also is it possible worth going to jail for sligshotting a sinker at someone for coming up to you? if so god bless ya you got some problems.

I personally dont live on the coast anymore ,so dont encounter to many charters. But what I can say is, almost everyone has encountered an idiot or two or three etc. etc. etc. on the water. Last time I checked there were plenty of fish for all! If you think that sitting couple hundred yards from your normal gps spot is going to make a difference, you need to get your head checked. For one your gps is probably off by that much!

Everyone of us non-commercial guys have earned are way on shore, probably working as hard or harder than you commercial guys, to be able to go out and fish where ever the f#ck we please. I learned how to fish for many species by spending my hard earned money and going out on charters long ago. Guess if I knew that commercial captains hate us non-commercial guys that much, I may not have chosen that path.

I use to run out of Stamford Harbor years ago, would set up a chum slick and start hammering the blues in my favorite spot. Charters out of New York use to follow me alot. Not once did I get pissed because the more bait in the water the better chance for fish to be drawn in.

Do I want a boat cutting through my trolling lines or riding through my slick. Not really but it is nothing to get upset over and to call it your spot is just stupidity! Like I posted earlier, it must really be hard being on the water 3 or 4 days a week fishing! I could only wish for such luck!

By the way, on the way to work today, someone cut me off, then slowed down, then didn't use a signal to turn. When I got to work, someone had taken my parking spot. Then after work, someone next to me was invading my space where I did park and I could barely get in the door. Dont know why all these stupid people park so close and take up what is obviously my parking space out of the 400 other parking spaces! Get my point!!!!!

We deal with shit every day, us land based folks! And when I do finally get a chance to get out and relax on my boat and do some fishing, I will damn well park my boat in any fishing spot I damn well please! I might even be so rude as to ask people how there fishing is going. Or even ask to buy some bait from them if I run out. Or whatever else I feel like doing on my few days off. And if I run into a F#cking full of himself retard like some here, I might even tell you to Suck a D!ck! And by the way, if anyone ever throws a sinker at my boat, the flare gun comes out!

Ohh, and if someone else approaches your boat to ask how the fishing is, How about just telling them it sucks, how has your day went?

Wanna bet....?

This so freakin funny....all I had to do is post something the least bit controversial and all you "lets share the fish" fags start salivating. Too funny.

You fucks don't get it; we have 3 days a week to MAKE A LIVING and when some f'n retard who wants to share your fish with himself, some turd with a boat and a pair of grundens who plays fisherman a few times a year
tries to jump me when theres no fish around and I am on a little tiny piece of bottom miles from anyone, because I've been fishing the area for 22 years, but he doesn't even consider anything but makin a buck so he can put more gas in his boat, I tend to get a little pissed off. Don't like it? Too f'n bad.

All of you who responded against are probably the same kind of drive around lookin for the other guys catchin, type of a-holes.


Loligo, I 100% agree with you. I fish rec and comm, nothing burns me more than a person who fishes 5 times a year trying to get in or steal bottom pieces that I put a lot of time and effort into finding over many years. How many times are you on a piece and some yoyo comes along and basically drops his anchor right over yours.....unreal.....I've said enough.

This reminds me of the thread about cutting through the
Tuna "fleet" that anchors up off off Cape Ann in a line
a few miles long. Don't cut thru as you'll cut the chum
slicks...Take a 3 mile detour and go around. yea, right...
that'll happen...It's a big ocean, enough room for everyone,
and nobody owns or can lay claim to any of it. Common
courtesy and SENSE (not so common, unfortunatly) should
prevail. If someone pulls up to my boat with a question, I'll
answer. I've even been known to offer a few tips. Why not?
What goes around comes around. If they drop anchor 20' away,
which has NEVER been done by a rec, but more than once by a
party boat, I'll either hang tight or move off, depending on the bite.
There are plenty of places to fish. Life is too short to have a stroke
over something as silly as this.

Do you guys think for a second that your sacred spot isn't a secret? Maybe someone else found it and they are thinking the same thing back at you...

You found your spot somehow....it wasn't magic....maybe someone else did the same with the same results....

Ocean is plenty big enough...you all talk like it happens every day all the time when in reality you are probably referring to 1 instance over your 30-40 years on the water....

Chill out....its bad for your blood pressure

Common sense and courtesy guys use it. And for you clowns talking about pitching sinker or firearms bullshit, remember you have no clue what the other guy has on board.




Maybe a gun, maybe a badge, who knows.

I would move on because in my 15 plus years of fishing I have found many more than one good spot to find fish. It's a big ocean. I like to use all of it.;)

Exactly. I just move. I have other spots. And it has nothing absolutely nothing to do with rec vs commercial. Rec jump recs more than anything.

If I get jumped like I said I just leave to go to another spot and drive over the guys gear in the process. Last year guy sets up on me I waited for him to set all his gear out then I fired up and in the process drove over one of his balloons. Guys is waving and going crazy. I just kept going. 5 minutes later the guy is right behind me as I'm cruising so I stop. He starts screaming that I destroyed the brand new mono on one of his 130's. I just said "Huh? What? You had lines out? You pulled in and I just left. How could you get lines out that fast?? What are you talking about?" He said something else and I just said see ya and drove off. Spooled another guy's 50 that set on top of me. I'm quite certain both guys got the point that I'm reckless, don't really know how to drive my boat and I'm as confused as everyone else out there...wink, wink.

Next time a guy jumps me and puts baits out I'm going to pull my stuff in, motor up next to him right in the middle of his baits on the upwind side of him and ask him how the fishing is as the wind blows me on top of his lines. Honest mistake as I have no idea how to gauge wind. Let my boat get caught by the wind and drift over his lines. He'll be screaming as I drift close to his lines and I'll pretend to start the engine but yell it won't fire off. Then right as I get oover his lines I'll really fire it offf and drive out of there. I'm a hell of an actor. Actually it's not that hard. Just act like most people out there. Put yourself in bad positions and get all confused and then just say "I'm new, I don't get it. Sorry."

It's more sport than anything screwing with guys that jump you. I got 15 minutes to kill.

RD1234- thats a good move if you don't have an OB

Everyone else- its not about your spot or my spot its about giving people some room and not setting up on top of someone.

Anyone can look at a Captain Seagull's chart and go to the pink area.

I like that..."the pink area"...Beautiful!!

Everyone else- its not about your spot or my spot its about giving people some room and not setting up on top of someone.



That about sums it up...

It sucks that the old timers spent decades "finding spots" only to be outpaced by technology but that's where we are now. GPS, cheap sonar, the internet, chart plotter chips, and the like have turned years of "work" into hours of "work". Whattya going to do? I'm with 250...a little space and a little respect.

To the internet tough guys and those with "beer muscles"...you gotta lighten up a little. The real bad asses are 1 in 1000 and they don't hang out on forums. They'll sink you, shoot you, or slit you quicker than you can spell bank sinker.

Yesterday a couple of guys in a mako with a honda on it drove right up to us after steaming several miles and asked us if we were catching any sea bass. Is this how you find fish, you just drive around until you find someone else who is already catching them? I avoided them by keeping my house between them and me and after a few minutes they got the hint and drove off, acting as though we were rude.....how about this for rude- GO THE FUCK AWAY! I am so sick of these wannabe jerk offs in their expensive land job bought boats. Could you imagine going onto a job site somewhere and bugging the carpenter to show you how to make a rafter or the mason to show you how to build a stone wall? They'd kick your ass. Go back to your fucking jobs and leave the fishing to the FISHERMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO THE FUCK AWAY! THESE ARE MY FISH, I FOUND THEM, GO FIND YOUR OWN!!!

I don't see a problem with asking a fellow angler if he's catching fish, and quite frankly, you sound like a guy I wouldn't want to fish with.

Im sure that 98% of the people on here agree that this thread should be deleted because of how dumb it is.
The only thing I could possibly complain about are the assholes who will fly by way to close when your a drift or at anchor. This happens to me all the time and It pisses me off but what can you do about it. If you have a problem you handle it o the spot not on the internet.

For all the normal people out there, Good luck this season and feel free to talk to me about anything fishing and your welcome to share my spots because I fish to relax and enjoy what God created.

Quote: The only thing I could possibly complain about are the assholes who will fly by way to close when your a drift or at anchor
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That about sums it up...

It sucks that the old timers spent decades "finding spots" only to be outpaced by technology but that's where we are now. GPS, cheap sonar, the internet, chart plotter chips, and the like have turned years of "work" into hours of "work". Whattya going to do? I'm with 250...a little space and a little respect.

To the internet tough guys and those with "beer muscles"...you gotta lighten up a little. The real bad asses are 1 in 1000 and they don't hang out on forums. They'll sink you, shoot you, or slit you quicker than you can spell bank sinker.

I used to think that way to buddy. Then I grew up. A guy that will shoot you, slit you, or whatever is not a tough guy - he is a self-centered pussy spending his whole life living in fear hiding behind a weapon. Just like a "tough guy" hiding behind a computer.

Funny how I know guys that I grew up with that have done multiple prison terms and sure fit the definition of "tough". But they can't hold down a job, be a responsible husband and father to their kids, etc...... Like I said, to me that is a pussy. A real tough guy just shows up everyday and steps up to the plate to help other people. And the last thing a real tough guy cares about is whether or not anyone thinks they are tough.

Hello Loligo,

I think you misinterpreted our approach. Since rec season is closed we were looking for a commercial boat to buy a few sea bass from. The other guy on the boat is a renowned chef and we are producing an cooking show and needed a few small whole bass. Just wanted to see if you had any to sell.

No big deal, we found a guy who was happy to trade 4 smaller fish for a couple c-notes and a 12 pack. Nice guy too. Ask around, I bet you know him.

Hello Loligo,

I think you misinterpreted our approach. Since rec season is closed we were looking for a commercial boat to buy a few sea bass from. The other guy on the boat is a renowned chef and we are producing an cooking show and needed a few small whole bass. Just wanted to see if you had any to sell.

No big deal, we found a guy who was happy to trade 4 smaller fish for a couple c-notes and a 12 pack. Nice guy too. Ask around, I bet you know him.

LOL I hope that's true:thumbsup:

Jzima and GravyBoy are the reasons why I don't post on here anymore. These kind of people don't get anything about respect. What if I came into your office on my day off and starting F*@King with your work, how do you think that would go?


Uhhh, you don't own the ocean, I am pretty sure my company owns my building.

I think it would make for a great story, that's how I think it would go. Here's the thing. I'm not "fu$%ing with your work. I'm fishing. I've invested my time and a lot of my money into this hobby. If your hobby is to come into my office and also interpret SEC guidance, come right in. Perhaps I can learn something from you, perhaps you from me. In the end though, we'd both be working towards the same goal, right?

The funny thing in your post is you talk about "respect". So I get this straight...because I didn't choose to fish as a livelihood, when I do fish it's disrespectful to those that did? Do you really think that I spent money on my boat and gear and get up before the sun to merely "f$#k" with you? If so, then you've got bigger problems to deal with buddy.

I fish because I love fishing. At some point in your life, you did too. Maybe by making it a job, you somehow lost that love and now view those that still have it as people just trying to "f$#k" with you. That's too bad man. I feel sorry for you.


Well said :thumbsup:

Exactly. I just move. I have other spots. And it has nothing absolutely nothing to do with rec vs commercial. Rec jump recs more than anything.

If I get jumped like I said I just leave to go to another spot and drive over the guys gear in the process. Last year guy sets up on me I waited for him to set all his gear out then I fired up and in the process drove over one of his balloons. Guys is waving and going crazy. I just kept going. 5 minutes later the guy is right behind me as I'm cruising so I stop. He starts screaming that I destroyed the brand new mono on one of his 130's. I just said "Huh? What? You had lines out? You pulled in and I just left. How could you get lines out that fast?? What are you talking about?" He said something else and I just said see ya and drove off. Spooled another guy's 50 that set on top of me. I'm quite certain both guys got the point that I'm reckless, don't really know how to drive my boat and I'm as confused as everyone else out there...wink, wink.

Next time a guy jumps me and puts baits out I'm going to pull my stuff in, motor up next to him right in the middle of his baits on the upwind side of him and ask him how the fishing is as the wind blows me on top of his lines. Honest mistake as I have no idea how to gauge wind. Let my boat get caught by the wind and drift over his lines. He'll be screaming as I drift close to his lines and I'll pretend to start the engine but yell it won't fire off. Then right as I get oover his lines I'll really fire it offf and drive out of there. I'm a hell of an actor. Actually it's not that hard. Just act like most people out there. Put yourself in bad positions and get all confused and then just say "I'm new, I don't get it. Sorry."

It's more sport than anything screwing with guys that jump you. I got 15 minutes to kill.

I guess this is better than shooting egg sinkers or brandishing a firearm. Kind of a douche move, though. Have you really done this or are you just another tough guy behind a computer desk.

I guess this is better than shooting egg sinkers or brandishing a firearm. Kind of a douche move, though. Have you really done this or are you just another tough guy behind a computer desk.

Ask the guys with no line on their reels.

I will admit I have no plans to do it again. It's stupid. Now I just move if the boat traffic gets too bad. Depending on the species of fish if the boat traffic gets too bad the fishing is going to suck or die off anyways so I just move to another area.

My most favorite thing to do is make a guy leave because we're catching too many fish. I really don't understand it. Why would someone leave when the boat next to them is crushing fish? Embarrassed? Frustrated? Either way it's great.

I got a couple others that I like to do to screw with jumpers that are completely harmless other than they make the jumper do alot of work and have to move but I'm gonna keep those ones to myself. I'm certain I'm going to need them this summer.

Hey I remember as a kid my dad and the beach buggy crew from the long Island Sound North Shore would routinely throw sinkers at boats who came too close to shore when the bass / blues would push the bait up to the shore. They kept their distance and no one ever got hurt, just respected their territory.
Fast forward when I was 16 years young and wandered 50 miles offshore in a 17 foot Grady and approached a sportfisher with a chum slick out ( not smart and 1st time offshore) was greeted with a couple of shotgun blasts. Figured it out real quick. No one got hurt. We got a couple of blue sharks and had a blast!

I used to think that way to buddy. Then I grew up. A guy that will shoot you, slit you, or whatever is not a tough guy - he is a self-centered pussy spending his whole life living in fear hiding behind a weapon. Just like a "tough guy" hiding behind a computer.

Funny how I know guys that I grew up with that have done multiple prison terms and sure fit the definition of "tough". But they can't hold down a job, be a responsible husband and father to their kids, etc...... Like I said, to me that is a pussy. A real tough guy just shows up everyday and steps up to the plate to help other people. And the last thing a real tough guy cares about is whether or not anyone thinks they are tough.

Maybe my post came across the wrong way....I have a bad habit of being facetious and sarcastic.

You're spot on regarding real "tough guys" vs "internet tough guys".

Hey I remember as a kid my dad and the beach buggy crew from the long Island Sound North Shore would routinely throw sinkers at boats who came too close to shore when the bass / blues would push the bait up to the shore. They kept their distance and no one ever got hurt, just respected their territory.
Fast forward when I was 16 years young and wandered 50 miles offshore in a 17 foot Grady and approached a sportfisher with a chum slick out ( not smart and 1st time offshore) was greeted with a couple of shotgun blasts. Figured it out real quick. No one got hurt. We got a couple of blue sharks and had a blast!

lol....cool story and a great way to learn some "awareness" skills.

Hey I remember as a kid my dad and the beach buggy crew from the long Island Sound North Shore would routinely throw sinkers at boats who came too close to shore when the bass / blues would push the bait up to the shore. They kept their distance and no one ever got hurt, just respected their territory.
Fast forward when I was 16 years young and wandered 50 miles offshore in a 17 foot Grady and approached a sportfisher with a chum slick out ( not smart and 1st time offshore) was greeted with a couple of shotgun blasts. Figured it out real quick. No one got hurt. We got a couple of blue sharks and had a blast!

I like your style. Like it alot. Old school learn by a bloody nose type of mentality.

Not the yuppy, SUV driving, Orvis, I'll sue you nonsense we see all too often these days.

I used to think that way to buddy. Then I grew up. A guy that will shoot you, slit you, or whatever is not a tough guy - he is a self-centered pussy spending his whole life living in fear hiding behind a weapon. Just like a "tough guy" hiding behind a computer.

Funny how I know guys that I grew up with that have done multiple prison terms and sure fit the definition of "tough". But they can't hold down a job, be a responsible husband and father to their kids, etc...... Like I said, to me that is a pussy. A real tough guy just shows up everyday and steps up to the plate to help other people. And the last thing a real tough guy cares about is whether or not anyone thinks they are tough.

I couldn't agree more. Your definition of a "tough guy" should be in the dictionary.

I don't understand the problem??? When I see somebody catching fish, I pull right up to them, and either tie off a cleat or if there is nothing to tie up to, I'll just throw my hook up aroudn their bow and try and get it to hook onto something. Then I'll let about 25' of line out so our boats don't hit, and fish!!!

What's the issue????

This is so funny.

So when a charter boat jumps my drift when they see a rod bent, it's ok, but if a rec guy does it they are googans?

Uh-huh.

Admittedly, pulling up and asking is a bit much, but I've been mugged much more frequently by charter boats than rec boats, and doubly so when I'm shark fishing. It's always the charter guys that will troll right up the slick and go right across the baloons.

Not the yuppy, SUV driving, Orvis, I'll sue you nonsense we see all too often these days.

Make this the quote of the day!


Its not cool for CHB guys to do it either, but I'm sure its happens a lot more the other way, a rec jumping a com/ CHB.

Fishing in someone else's slick may be not bank or egg, but pyramid sinker worthy, thats a cheap ass scum move !

Well as insane as this thread is... and yes it is insane..I can say that I have learned an awful lot of protocol from reading the many colorful responses.
I am glad the subject came up in a way. I will definately watch myself out there.
Boat goes in the water tomorrow. Has to swell for a while and thats been quite the learning experience in itself. Fishing wise I don't expect to break any records.I just want a hassel free summer. thank you very much.. Will see you from afar..very afar!!!

Its hard to believe this thread has accumulated 8 pages.
That being said,having been on both sides of this coin,I absolutely understand both sides;therefor I will refrain from commenting other than to state...
God bless the guy who throws,shoots,or in any way jepordizes the safety of my boat or crew!

This is so funny.

So when a charter boat jumps my drift when they see a rod bent, it's ok, but if a rec guy does it they are googans?

Uh-huh.

Admittedly, pulling up and asking is a bit much, but I've been mugged much more frequently by charter boats than rec boats, and doubly so when I'm shark fishing. It's always the charter guys that will troll right up the slick and go right across the baloons.

This is exactly my thought. This has happened to me for more times then any rec fisherman. The last time I was out I could read the company name one the capts shirt!!!!

Let me ad another twist to this thread.
The "fleet" is out fluking. Sometimes over a hundred boats. A boat finishes his drift and then proceeds through the fleet half on plane throwing a big wake. Sometimes I consider these guys lower then spot jumpers. They are just "me only" assholes. The wake really doesn't me to much, but I see the guys on smaller boat taking a beating. What I do is watch the guy. When I finish my drift I slowly proceed back to his boat; and when 50 feet away I bring the bow up and throw a huge bow wake on his boat. They usually get the point after that. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but these guys need a lesson.

I like your style. Like it alot. Old school learn by a bloody nose type of mentality.

Not the yuppy, SUV driving, Orvis, I'll sue you nonsense we see all too often these days.

Gotta say....if someone is firing a shot gun off over my bow he is getting his bow numbers reported...

Its not gangland out there

Gotta say....if someone is firing a shot gun off over my bow he is getting his bow numbers reported...

Its not gangland out there

Good luck with that, I'm ducking not staring at his #s!!

I think it's only human nature when fishing, that the guy catching the fish, gets crowded by others wanting to catch a fish! If it wasn't, you'd never head out to Stellwagen or the Canyons only to see the horizon peppered with boats, and when you finally catch up to the fleet, find out they're nearly stacked bumper to bumper in an ocean that is so large, you think there must surely be fish in other spots in it. WHY is EVERYONE THERE? (the same reason you went out there in the 1st place).

Gotta say....if someone is firing a shot gun off over my bow he is getting his bow numbers reported...

Its not gangland out there

That guy would lose his FID real quick in MA these days. Get his #'s + file a restraining order = no gun for that guy. Pretty simple. No one that actually has their LTC would do this b/c they know how easy it is to lose it by doing something this stupid.

jkroth 100% right. just cause I have a ltc and usally carry when on the boat. doesnt mean I am going to flash it around. but hey if you want to be tough have at.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/F0fE_65CW8o


:grin::grin::grin:

Let me ad another twist to this thread.
The "fleet" is out fluking. Sometimes over a hundred boats. A boat finishes his drift and then proceeds through the fleet half on plane throwing a big wake. Sometimes I consider these guys lower then spot jumpers. They are just "me only" assholes. The wake really doesn't me to much, but I see the guys on smaller boat taking a beating. What I do is watch the guy. When I finish my drift I slowly proceed back to his boat; and when 50 feet away I bring the bow up and throw a huge bow wake on his boat. They usually get the point after that. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but these guys need a lesson.

You are not a harbormaster or the coast guard or DCR or any other type of authority figure on the water. You have no right to "teach people lessons." You are an idiot with a big boat!

My cousin was out with her friends on some kids boat (on a 17' montauk and they were all around the age of 16), kid driving the boat pissed some guy off in a big sportfisher b/c of the way he was driving so the sportfisher threw a wake at the whaler (kind of the way you describe). B/c of the wake my cousin hit her head/back against the railing and other pats of the boat and ended up spending 2 weeks @ childrens and still has physical problems. I don't know the exact amount my uncle recovered from the sportfisher but it was enough to pay for her 4 years of college and buy her a car.

In case you don't know this you own your wake and any damage that it causes...

The fact that you posted this statement on a public forum is probably an admission if someone files a civil action against you.

jk you some king of moron or can't read or both. Take a pill or a laxative so maybe you can loosen up. All I am doing is returning the favor to a guy who rocked maybe 50 little boats. We have lots of them here in NJ and we call them bennies (benys).
As far as a civil action you better read up on your law or sleep in a Holiday Inn Express. Cause you don't jack or is that jackshit?
Oh you did get one thing right I got a big boat; but compared to what? Oh I see a little 23 regulator. Nice bay boat.

This topic,thread,the whole thing is as gay as springtime.

I LOVE the "gun shots over his bow" comments.... If I had 1 dollar for every idiot that I herd spout this dumb-ass empty threat over the air, I'd be a rich man.

jk you some king of moron or can't read or both.
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this is really gettin good, always amazes me how a thread can get into a internet brawl:)

Dammmm I might just keep my boat on land. Gunshots, slingshots, rogue wakes, sounds like its going to be dangerous out there this season :grin:.