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CG_MKC
04-19-2011, 05:04 PM
My job moved me to the Keys about a year ago. I have always loved offshore fishing, but being from NC, we did a lot of Kingfishing. Its great down here as the amount of different species at any given time is awesome.

Over the past couple of months, I have gotten into the whole kite fishing thing. Getting prepared and looking forward to trying something new out. Now I will be the first to admit when I dont know something, so I figured I would pick at yalls brains if you dont mind. Most have to do with kite fishing, but a couple of other general questions as well. I hope the post is not too broad.

1. When fishing with a kite or kites, you have two or three baits per kit. I have heard you also employ some flat lines and some lines deeper in the water column. The flat line baits, are they on ballons or just free lined out. If free lined, how do you keep them from getting tangled in other lines?

2. Goggle eyes are awesome baits. Short of paying 100 dollars a dozen, how do you catch these baits. I have read a lot and can only really seem to find that you need to fish for them at night. I was out the other night and only seemed to have pilchards in my chum. Are they deeper in the water? Sabiki them up or cast net?

3. Can I use other live baits like pilchards or pinfish or am I just wasting my time? Will ballyhoo stay alive on a hook long enough to use them live?

Hope that is not too many questions or sound stupid, but thanks for helping me out.

Mike


Goingdeep13
04-19-2011, 05:42 PM
When we kite fish the 3 baits on each kite are set out and away from the boat. short bait is maybe 20 yards away from boat. When I put out my flat lines I will put a small weight on a clip above the leader to keep it a bit deeper in the water column
Sometimes I won't put any weight on them. They should not get caught up with the short baits because they are barely in the water any way. Just need to keep an eye on them
Goggles are are caught at night and are usually deeper in the water than you will find pilchards or threadfins. Def a sabiki caught bait. Guys use 8-9 foot rods and special sabiki rigs.
Pilchards, ThreadFin Herring and goggle eyes were our main baits of choice.
You can def keep a ballyhoo on a hook for a pitch bait and slow troll them for a bit

Hope that helps a bit
Bryan

Rod27
04-19-2011, 06:34 PM
Depending on how long ur boat is u can fish 2 or 3 flat lines....no balloons.

The key to catching gogs if ur not anchored is to find them on ur fishfinder in 60-150ft usually.....just drift and watch ur fishfinder. Best time is no moon on outgoing tide. Turn off all ur lights and use special sabikis that glow in the dark. They are long so use longest rods u can. Drop the rigs to the approximate depth of the fish on ur fishfinder. Florida Sportfishing Magazine had a tutorial in March on how to catch them.


Rod27
04-19-2011, 07:06 PM
this is what u want your fishfinder to look like(right screen).....if u dont see them, dont bother dropping the sabiki

floffshore
04-20-2011, 08:21 AM
1. When fishing with a kite or kites, you have two or three baits per kit. I have heard you also employ some flat lines and some lines deeper in the water column. The flat line baits, are they on ballons or just free lined out. If free lined, how do you keep them from getting tangled in other lines?

This is our typical kite spread (10 lines) with just me and my friend on board.

I'll usually freeline lines 7 and 9 and then put a big sinker on lines 8 and 10

The red thing is the drift sock

and remember the kites have split-shots on their respective corners in order to make them fly at an angles away from each other.

hope this makes sense, lol

caurimare
04-20-2011, 08:48 AM
I usually kite fish with thread herring they are much easier to find than google eye and way cheaper if you buy them, with my flat lines I work all the water column, I usually have one down in the bottom, the second one in the middle and a third one about 20 feet from the surface that gives me plenty of chances to catch anything.

CG_MKC
04-20-2011, 11:33 AM
Thanks for all the responses. Each post explains a lot of what I was wondering.

DroppinLoads
04-20-2011, 12:12 PM
Goggle Eye are magic hanging underneath a kite, there's no question about it.

I have heard/read people catching them in all depths but it's always at night. When I fish for them, I only do it in conjunction with a night or evening trip-- swordfish, tarpon, blackfin, snapper. I stopped making special trips for them, and if I don't have them, I don't pay for them.

I look for ledges starting at around 75 feet all the way out to 500 at times. Outgoing tide, I find them further offshore. Incoming tide, I have some luck around anchored ships and deep buoys.I stopped fishing shallower because it was too inconsistent. Head up and down the ledges and you will mark them eventually.You need large quill sabikis and a lot of chum. I use a sandball mixture like the guys in the keys do for yellowtailing. I used to use a weighted chum bag, but I lost too many of those maneuvering around the school and fighting off the bait boats. The key is to get them feeding across the column behind your boat. They travel in a spread and move quick, but they will stop for easy meals provided you're the first. The bite can turn off quickly. I use an old Penn 114 H and attach two or three sabikis. We fish two rods per man and leave one down, kind of like with mahi. That's another reason we ditched the weighted chum bag.

I frequently substitute large Threadfin, Blue Runners or small Speedos which can all be found pretty easily.

floffshore
04-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Goggle Eye are magic hanging underneath a kite, there's no question about it.

I have heard/read people catching them in all depths but it's always at night. When I fish for them, I only do it in conjunction with a night or evening trip-- swordfish, tarpon, blackfin, snapper. I stopped making special trips for them, and if I don't have them, I don't pay for them.

I look for ledges starting at around 75 feet all the way out to 500 at times. Outgoing tide, I find them further offshore. Incoming tide, I have some luck around anchored ships and deep buoys.I stopped fishing shallower because it was too inconsistent. Head up and down the ledges and you will mark them eventually.You need large quill sabikis and a lot of chum. I use a sandball mixture like the guys in the keys do for yellowtailing. I used to use a weighted chum bag, but I lost too many of those maneuvering around the school and fighting off the bait boats. The key is to get them feeding across the column behind your boat. They travel in a spread and move quick, but they will stop for easy meals provided you're the first. The bite can turn off quickly. I use an old Penn 114 H and attach two or three sabikis. We fish two rods per man and leave one down, kind of like with mahi. That's another reason we ditched the weighted chum bag.

I frequently substitute large Threadfin, Blue Runners or small Speedos which can all be found pretty easily.



A+++++ :thumbsup:

miamizx
04-20-2011, 12:47 PM
start out with 1 kite and 2 baits till you get the hang of it, then move up to 2 kites / 3 baits. It can get overwhelming at the beginning.

CG_MKC
04-20-2011, 01:17 PM
start out with 1 kite and 2 baits till you get the hang of it, then move up to 2 kites / 3 baits. It can get overwhelming at the beginning.

That was my intent. One kite with two clips. I love live bait fishing. When taking kids or the wife bottom fishing, I always have out a ballon rig or two. I also enjoy drift fishing and that was the main reason I wanted to get into kites. That and I have heard so much about people having good results.

So down here in they Keys, head out to the reef line and work that ledge. Do I put out the chum before I mark the bait or wait till I mark them before deploying the chum?

DroppinLoads
04-20-2011, 01:29 PM
I mark them first. If you find a ledge that produces regularly, you can drop anchor and chum I suppose, but I like to cover ground and find a big school.

gtrfred
04-20-2011, 01:47 PM
That was my intent. One kite with two clips. I love live bait fishing. When taking kids or the wife bottom fishing, I always have out a ballon rig or two. I also enjoy drift fishing and that was the main reason I wanted to get into kites. That and I have heard so much about people having good results.

So down here in they Keys, head out to the reef line and work that ledge. Do I put out the chum before I mark the bait or wait till I mark them before deploying the chum?

dont be afraid to put out the kite while at anchor. I caught a 40 lb king 2 weeks ago doing the same thing while yellowtailing. live mullet out of the kite. especially with the wind out of the N or E you can anchor in the shallower water and present a kite bait off the ledge.

captrv
04-22-2011, 06:12 PM
Dont be scared to try different baits on the kite. I've heard that live yellowtails will work while anchored ;)



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