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Ronn Burgandy
04-19-2011, 04:58 PM
This upcoming season will be my first going for BFT. For gear to date, here's what I've got

2 Penn 50SW's
2 Penn 9/0's
2 Penn International Rods 2255
2 Pinnacle Marine Rods

A bunch of daisy chains
5 smaller 24-36" bars
5 48" bars

I bought all of the reels used but believe me when I say it, they don't have a scratch on them...literally no evidence of use. They came with 50lb mono on them, which appears to be in good shape.

Here's my question...should I swap out the line or give it a run with what I've got? And if I keep the mono on, do I just crimp this directly to the bars or should I use a swivel (have some of those heavy duty ones). I understand hollowcore with a top is the way to go, but I'm trying to keep the expenses down because divorce will end up costing me even more. On that note, what does it cost to spool a 50 with JB HC and will I be able to splice my own TS on it, or would I be better off paying someone who knows what they are doing?

Any input is appreciated.


Massbaytuna3
04-19-2011, 06:00 PM
jzima - I just sent you a PM

auguste
04-20-2011, 03:56 AM
I change my mono at least annually, and if I fish a lot I'll change it more often.

If respooling with new line consider braid for the backing as you ca get a lot more on the reel.

What size boat do you have and do you know how many lines you will be trolling?

Also, what size class Bluefin are you expecting to catch?

When I got rigged up in 2002 I bought new Shimano 50s LRS and I am happy with that choice.

If I could have found good quality used reeels I would have done so, the new stuff is really expensive.

Look in the fishing equipment for sale forum farther down the main page. Lots of good deals there.

Good luck!


Ronn Burgandy
04-20-2011, 05:42 AM
I've got a 22' WA and I'm debating running gunnel mounted outriggers or trying to get away with just rodriggers for my first season. The 50's I got are spotless. The guy I bought them from said he used them 3 times and never had a fish on them, and from the looks of them, it's tough to doubt that.

Does mono break down over time if it's not really used? Also, is 50lb enough?

fish4striper14
04-20-2011, 05:59 AM
On the 50's switch it to 80 mono minimum with a swivel to 130 leader for bait or trolled lure or right to your 4ft spreaderbar . If you got the money, look into JB HC and windon leaders

shinerdunker
04-20-2011, 06:06 AM
Eeks - Are you really sure you want to concentrate on trolling? Even the best troll boats fished bait most of the time in '10 - They had too!. You are damning yourself to far less of a chance of catching if you do not consider putting bait as the chamber round.

Get rid of the 50lb and put a minimum of 80 on there. Probably a good idea to back with braid for line capacity reasons. Contact me via pm if you need any help lining up stuff

jb.

Ronn Burgandy
04-20-2011, 06:16 AM
Thanks guys, like I said, this is my first year. I'm not ruling out bait, but I figure trolling is a good way to get a sense for it. I've got a couple of jigging outfits to for the butterfly's and RonZ's come fall. I spooled those with 75lb braid and 150 lb windons, but had the shop do it. I'm really only going to target the schoolie for now.

john513
04-20-2011, 06:50 PM
Hey Jzima,

How are you doing? I have been following some of the threads that you have started since I am in the same boat as you.

Just bought a boat and will now be keeping it in Green Harbor, MA to target schoolie tuna, cod and anything else that swims.

Where do you boat out of? Let me know if you ever want to meet up or have a "boat buddy" out in the cape.

Can't wait to get my boat up here and in the water. I will see you out there.

John

auguste
04-21-2011, 03:10 AM
You have a walk around boat that allows you to move to the bow while fighting a fish

If you catch a large fish, fight the fish from the pointy end of the boat ;)

What I mean is have the angler go to the bow of your boat and have them fight the fish from there . . . that way you can easily chase the fish and with a 50 size reel you should never get spooled . . . and you should get the fish to the boat sooner and the meat will be better

At the end of the fight work your way to the transom and gaff the fish

However, once you get a large fish to the surface (near the boat) the first couple of times it will run off and take a ton of line, so stay a the bow until you know the end of the fight is near.

Have fun

ubettcha13
04-21-2011, 03:34 AM
Early season catch some live mackeral snell a 10/0-15/0 circle hook to 100-150 mono slow troll (idle speed) along the contour lines of the bank WITH the current not into it!!!
Once you get into July black bars will start to produce if you present them with to no more than diagonally across the current.
If you have a strike circle back do not troll back over them against the current your just screwing it up not only for your self but for everyone else
Best scenario is to take someone well versed in small boat fishing out there.
I offer a service as does many others. It will be money well spent. You would learn how to rig and run you vessel not a 40' charter boat with 22' riggers. What to look for when hunting for them. Best colors and where in the spread to fish them in different conditions. FWIW every report I write now and most others as well say this. Yup we scored today Black bar in the back at the SW corner:grin: Go over the seasons it's the same not true mind you but the same. I can teach you how to be where they are going to be when you pull back the throttles all without having to network. They are fish not super secret spies from homeland security

auguste
04-21-2011, 03:38 AM
Early season catch some live mackeral snell a 10/0-15/0 circle hook to 100-150 mono slow troll (idle speed) along the contour lines of the bank WITH the current not into it!!!
Once you get into July black bars will start to produce if you present them with to no more than diagonally across the current.
If you have a strike circle back do not troll back over them against the current your just screwing it up not only for your self but for everyone else
Best scenario is to take someone well versed in small boat fishing out there.
I offer a service as does many others. It will be money well spent. You would learn how to rig and run you vessel not a 40' charter boat with 22' riggers. What to look for when hunting for them. Best colors and where in the spread to fish them in different conditions. FWIW every report I write now and most others as well say this. Yup we scored today Black bar in the back at the SW corner:grin: Go over the seasons it's the same not true mind you but the same. I can teach you how to be where they are going to be when you pull back the throttles all without having to network. They are fish not super secret spies from homeland security

He knows his stuff . . . I have fished with him





. . . he is a nice guy once you get past his accent :jk:

Seriously he is a nice guy to fish with :thumbsup:

ubettcha13
04-21-2011, 03:42 AM
He knows his stuff . . . I have fished with him





. . . he is a nice guy once you get past his accent :jk:

Seriously he is a nice guy to fish with :thumbsup:
Thanks Gus What accent???:rofl:

Ronn Burgandy
04-21-2011, 05:27 AM
Thanks guys. I've got a buddy who runs a charter/guide service with a 25' and I'm planning on going out with him a couple times early season.

John513, my boat is trailered in Eastham, and I regularly go out of Wellfleet, but can get out of Chatham just as easily. I've been fishing for bass/blues all my life in the bay...figured it was time to step up.

auguste
04-21-2011, 06:16 AM
Thanks Gus What accent???:rofl:


Maybe because you don't listen to yourself talk :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Hope you and the good lady are fine

ubettcha13
04-21-2011, 06:37 AM
Maybe because you don't listen to yourself talk :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Hope you and the good lady are fine
Doing well thanks Gus:thumbsup:

Parapapam
04-21-2011, 05:56 PM
My 2 cents:

1. Upgrade your line to 80 pound braid with a 100 yard topshot of mono.
2. Run live bait if you can, but bars will work.
3. Any color you want as long as it ia Black
4. I like Fisherman Outfitters Bars, but others make good bars as well
5. I use swivels for my bars... someone last year told me I was so 80's...
6. Take Ubettcha up on his offer and bring a notebook. You will never remember all the info he will teach you. Real Cheap Education!!! Especially at $5 gallon.
7. Go back and reread Ubettcha's first post on this thread.... it is easy to miss or not understand his tips. Gold Nuggets!!!
8. I have never met Gus but feel like I know him a bit from years on THT. Gus, I want to know how you say "Ya'll eh?" What accent is that? Southern and Canada?? Boston is where the english language landed (and remained) on this continent. We speak correctly. Everyone else has an accent.... hehehehe

Mike

Hammer Time
04-22-2011, 05:09 AM
Early season catch some live mackeral snell a 10/0-15/0 circle hook to 100-150 mono slow troll (idle speed) along the contour lines of the bank WITH the current not into it!!!
Once you get into July black bars will start to produce if you present them with to no more than diagonally across the current.
If you have a strike circle back do not troll back over them against the current your just screwing it up not only for your self but for everyone else
Best scenario is to take someone well versed in small boat fishing out there.
I offer a service as does many others. It will be money well spent. You would learn how to rig and run you vessel not a 40' charter boat with 22' riggers. What to look for when hunting for them. Best colors and where in the spread to fish them in different conditions. FWIW every report I write now and most others as well say this. Yup we scored today Black bar in the back at the SW corner:grin: Go over the seasons it's the same not true mind you but the same. I can teach you how to be where they are going to be when you pull back the throttles all without having to network. They are fish not super secret spies from homeland security


What is the reason to not troll into the current?

auguste
04-22-2011, 05:42 AM
My 2 cents:

. . .

8. I have never met Gus but feel like I know him a bit from years on THT. Gus, I want to know how you say "Ya'll eh?" What accent is that? Southern and Canada?? Boston is where the english language landed (and remained) on this continent. We speak correctly. Everyone else has an accent.... hehehehe

Mike

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Hi Mike . . . I'll take the challenge and try bo answer your question :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

:grin: First :grin: . . . yall is one word and not two [ya'll] . . . took me while but the boys from Carolina finally taught me that one

:grin: Second :grin: . . . the eh is common in Canada but mostly for those whose mother tongue is English

:grin: Third :grin: . . . in my case the 'eh' is silent [my mother tongue is not English] so all you here from me is yall

So yall have a good Easter weekend :)

Parapapam
04-22-2011, 11:58 AM
Oh, pardon. Je pensais que vous étiez de l'Ontario. En tout cas, joyeuses Pâques.

Mike

BTW, mon épouse est originaire de France

Ethan
04-22-2011, 04:53 PM
What is the reason to not troll into the current?
I wouldn't question why, I would do what ever he says!

auguste
04-23-2011, 03:00 AM
Oh, pardon. Je pensais que vous étiez de l'Ontario. En tout cas, joyeuses Pâques.

Mike

BTW, mon épouse est originaire de France

Nous sommes du Nouveau-Brunswick dans l'Est du Canada

Nous vivons actuellement au Québec, environ 15 minutes au nord de notre capitale, Ottawa. Ottawa est en Ontario.

Et dit bonjour a la patronne :)

ubettcha13
04-23-2011, 05:46 AM
What is the reason to not troll into the current?
You troll into the current you come up on your target from behind. Just like a predator does.

Parapapam
04-23-2011, 08:53 AM
Nous sommes du Nouveau-Brunswick dans l'Est du Canada

Nous vivons actuellement au Québec, environ 15 minutes au nord de notre capitale, Ottawa. Ottawa est en Ontario.

Et dit bonjour a la patronne :)

Gus,

Switching to English or I will betray my ineptitude at French... :).

I though New Brunswick was mostly English speaking. Seems I missed a deep and strong French community. Having worked a lot in Ottawa and taken a ferry over towards Gatineau on the way to Tremblant, I know the two provinces (Quebec/Ontario) are a mere river crossing apart at that point.

Since I am hugely guilty of thread drift here let me get back on topic and offer some more advice to jzima. I would certainly change any line that I suspect. And if I didn't buy it, I suspect it. Having been quilty of running old line this year, Ubettcha can personally attest to several hundred pounder it cost us.

Basil Pappas is the man when it comes to spooling braid. He is at http://www.bhptackle.com/index.php . Unfortunately, tuna and cheap will never appear in the same sentence unless you are talking about cans of tuna.... it will be around $150/reel to get them strung.

I would buy 4 FO bars (3 black, 1 orange). I would buy some of John's pin rigs:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/fishing-miscellaneous-items/330849-ballyhoo-pin-rigs-sale.html

These would be my starter set ups. Tuna fishing is not totally dissimilar to bass fishing when it comes to current. Bait fish get washed down current in the natural world. Predators wait for it.

Unlike bass which are ambush feeders, tunas are attack feeders. They will move around a lot more. But if you can make the lures look natural, you will catch more fish.

Mike

auguste
04-23-2011, 10:31 AM
A short interuption from the regularly scheduled topic about fishing :grin:

- - - - -

Parapapam

New Brunswick is equally spilt between English and French speaking families

In the past English was predominant ewverywhere but the French have stood up and now French is seen everywhere.

New Brunswick is the only OFFICIALLY BILINGUAL province in Canada

And New Brunswick has Canada's larget population of Acadians which is not to be confused with Cajuns in Louisiana

- - - - -

And now back to our regular programming on Trolling for BFT ;cool;

auguste
04-23-2011, 10:34 AM
Gus,


I would buy 4 FO bars (3 black, 1 orange).
Mike




What are FO bars? ;?

BACKTOTHESEA
04-23-2011, 10:45 AM
What are FO bars? ;?

Fishermans outfitter.

Ronn Burgandy
04-23-2011, 11:41 AM
Thanks guys...my 3 years of HS French had my head spinning for a bit there. I have 4 FO 48" bars now, all re-rigged last year. I've also got about 8 or so 36" bars ranging from GM's to what look more like marlin lures (got the cheap). I've got a handful or so daisy's as well, mostly black and GM's.

Thanks for the advice on the spooling....guess I'd better start learning to slice.

ubettcha13
04-23-2011, 12:04 PM
Gus,


Since I am hugely guilty of thread drift here let me get back on topic and offer some more advice to jzima. I would certainly change any line that I suspect. And if I didn't buy it, I suspect it. Having been quilty of running old line this year, Ubettcha can personally attest to several hundred pounder it cost us.

Mike
Yes and it was one if not the most beautiful strike you would ever see! Half the tail was out of the water for what seemed an eternity.
Jzima ask Parapapam where that fish would have ranked in his fishing career. The really tough thing is he beat it on a 50 in about 20mins. Very pretty work on his part.



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