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pitahui
04-06-2011, 11:50 PM
Does anyone know if I can replace my Tie Down G4 disc brake calipers with the new G5 calipers?
I have 10" disc's on 6 bolt hubs with 14" rims. To change to Kodiak's would require new hubs/disc's and new tires and rims which is too costly at this time. (Kodiak only makes discs for 15" and larger rims on 3000lb axles)

The new single piston G5 calipers look better the 2 piston G4 calipers.

Here is a link to the G5 brakes.
http://www.tiedown.com/ag4brake.html


EASTERNMARINE
04-07-2011, 07:45 AM
Unfortunately they are not interchangeable, you would have to replace the whole system with the new G5 brakes or go with Kodiak brakes.

We have Kodiak brakes in stock and should have the 12" G5 brakes in stock tomorrow if you are interested.

pitahui
04-07-2011, 03:53 PM
Unfortunately the Kodiak brakes don't fit 14'' wheels. I think I put that in my post.
If I had 15" wheels, I would have switched to Kodiak's a long time ago.

The cost to replace the wheels, tires, brakes, hubs, and raise the fenders (for the bigger wheels) is too much to bear in this economy.


In addition, you guys will only ship UPS Blue (2nd day air) to Hawaii (I tried ordering before and was told that UPS 2nd day was the only option for Hawaii). With the weight of trailer parts, the shipping fee makes buying the parts from even the most expensive store here cheaper then ordering from you guys.

Thanks anyway


Trailer Doctor
04-07-2011, 10:00 PM
no they do not but if change out is neccessary instead of G4 caliper replcement the G5 is a vast improvement

pitahui
04-08-2011, 12:01 AM
I agree the G5 'looks' like a great improvement, but for the 6-bolt hub, it comes with a 12" disc, which with caliper installed wont clear a 14" rim.
The Kodiak's are 12" disc's as well.
The older G4 disc's came with 10" disc on 6-bolt hubs.
See my dilemma........

EASTERNMARINE
04-08-2011, 07:12 AM
I agree the G5 'looks' like a great improvement, but for the 6-bolt hub, it comes with a 12" disc, which with caliper installed wont clear a 14" rim.
The Kodiak's are 12" disc's as well.
The older G4 disc's came with 10" disc on 6-bolt hubs.
See my dilemma........

They are actually suppose to fit 14" and 15" wheels according to Tie Down, also we do ship UPS ground to Hawaii. You listed in your first post something about 3000# axles, just wanted to verify you were talking about the sprindle capacity, so the bearing sizes would be correct.:thumbsup:

http://www.easternmarine.com/TIE-DOWN-1175-SS-G5-Disc-Brake-Assembly-6-Lug-82092/
ROTOR DIAMETER: 11.75"
REPLACES DRUM DIAMETER: 12"
BEARING SIZE: 1-1/4" x 1-3/4"
GREASE SEAL: 2.25" (#225255UC)
# OF STUDS: 6
BOLT CIRCLE: 5.5" (For 14" and 15" Wheels)
AXLE RATING: 6000 lbs.

pitahui
04-08-2011, 10:54 AM
Thanks for the reply, but I don't see how the 12" Tie Down brakes will fit in a 14"rim when the 12" Kodiak's don't. With the 10" discs that I have now I barely have a half inch of clearance between the caliper and rim.
And for the shipping you are correct, you do ship UPS ground, but UPS is the only choice and they are one of, if not the, most expensive shippers.
At $153.12 for ground shipping and $237.48 for 2nd day air, you guys just don't get it.
I would be out of my mind to pay that kind of shipping costs especially considering the cost of the product.


The real problem is that Tie Down is missing the boat. They should have found a way to make the new calipers compatible (a swappable replacement) for the crappy G4 calipers. That way all of us who purchased their product could upgrade, keeping most of our investment in their product, and be happy with them (company & product) and down the road replace them with new Tie Down products.
From what I have read on these posts, there are very few that are happy or had success with Tie Down brakes. This would have been an opportunity for Tie Down to turn that perception and experience around.
Instead everyone that mentions that they have problems with Tie Down brakes are told (in the posts) to change out to Kodiak. After my experience, if I have no choice but to go to 15" rims, I too will go to Kodiak's as I feel let down by Tie Down.


Thanks anyway.

hatterasman
04-09-2011, 03:09 AM
Cant beat tie down s , installed their ssteel brakes got 6 yrs use then just hung new calipers never rinsed or repacked in 6yrs just add grease each trip. So cost of use for 6 years was $250 i spent for the replacement calipers. This versus replacing drums every other year how cheap do you want your operating cost to be ? Thought all the 6 bolts were on 12'' discs and for his shipping you are in hawaii its almost as much as international shipping to get there.

hatterasman
04-09-2011, 03:16 AM
FOR EASTERN MARINE, GOING TO REDO ANOTHER TRAILER ,WILL TRY THE NEW G5 s , but what is best surge actuator for 10,000lb titan ?

First Light
04-09-2011, 06:35 PM
FOR EASTERN MARINE, GOING TO REDO ANOTHER TRAILER ,WILL TRY THE NEW G5 s , but what is best surge actuator for 10,000lb titan ?

IMO the best surge actuator is to replace it with an electro-hydraulic system. Once you try it, you will never go back to a surge actuator. ;)

hatterasman
04-10-2011, 12:31 AM
only problem we have with going elect over hyd is differrent tow vehicles tow our rig at times. would have to rig each truck up.

go fish
04-10-2011, 06:47 AM
Will one fit in a USPS flat rate box?

pitahui
04-10-2011, 11:45 AM
While some parts may fit in a flat rate box, it doesn't matter. Neither Eastern Marine (Trailer Parts Superstore) or Champion Trailers will ship any other way than UPS.
The have a contract with UPS and won't offer any other options.
And...if you used UPS, you know they are one of the most expensive shippers.

I have ordered many things from companies across the US and most will ship USPS priority mail. A huge savings over UPS.

It's unfortunate that the companies just won't budge on their shipping policy, as USPS offers everything that UPS does, but at a much lower price to the customer.
With the weight of most trailer parts and sometimes size, it only makes sense to offer more shipping options for the customer.

As an example, a Dexter 1-3/8" x 1-1/16" bearing, 6 on 5.5 stud Hub cost $52.95.
The UPS ground shipping is $37.89 and UPS Blue is $51.59.
A more glaring example: A wheel bearing kit (inner & outer bearing with grease seal) 1-1/4" x 1-3/4" Axle Wheel Bearing Kit #1419.05 costs $24.95 (a good price) the shipping = UPS Ground $26.25 and UPS Blue $35.15 and I am sure that the bearing kit would fit in a flat rate box.
Paying sometimes more for shipping then for the part doesn't make sense. I feel confident that USPS would be about 1/3 the shipping cost.

This post was not started to harp on Eastern Marine, they have their issues, the real problem is that Tie Down has let their customers down. Like I said in an earlier post if I have to replace my entire braking system why would I stick with Tie Down after my experience? If I have to replace everything (except the controller) then it will be Kodiak's as it appears that everyone who has them is happy with their performance and support.

EASTERNMARINE
04-11-2011, 07:30 AM
FOR EASTERN MARINE, GOING TO REDO ANOTHER TRAILER ,WILL TRY THE NEW G5 s , but what is best surge actuator for 10,000lb titan ?


This would be the surge actuator you would want, it comes with the solenoid already installed. If you are interested in an electric/hydraulic just let us know.

http://imageserv8.team-logic.com/store-logic/products/5/6629/tn_5793.jpg (http://www.thehulltruth.com/TITAN-DICO-Model-10-Disc-Brake-Actuator-w-Solenoid/) TITAN / DICO Model 10 Disc Brake Actuator w/Solenoid (http://www.thehulltruth.com/TITAN-DICO-Model-10-Disc-Brake-Actuator-w-Solenoid/)
Stock# 5237003
2-5/16" ball drop coupler design hydraulic trailer brake actuator with zinc plated finish and a rated capacity of 12,500 lbs. Bolt-On design for 3" wide trailer tongue with multiple mounting holes on a 3" and 5" center front to back. Includes reversing solenoid with extended housing shield.
$339.00

pitahui
05-25-2011, 11:54 PM
Tie Down Engineering has just announced a
"G5" Caliper Upgrade for the Older "G4" SS Disc Brakes

The info can be found here.
http://www.tiedown.com/ag5brake.html

Not sure if it's because of my post (on THT) and inquiries to Tie Down, but good news none the less.
Hopefully the upgrade will preserve some of my investment and turn my perception of Tie Down around.
For all others that have G4 brakes this should be welcome news as well.

Aloha........

SCFD rtrd
05-30-2011, 10:52 AM
I'm using Kodiak on 13" rims. I had to buy a 1/4" wheel spacer and place it between the hub and the rim. This pushed the rim out slightly and gives the necessary clearance between the caliper and the inner part of the rim. The spacers are available at most auto supply shops. All my brake parts are Kodiak so you'll have to do some measuring to determine if this will work on mis-matched brake parts.

pitahui
05-31-2011, 02:00 AM
You probably have 5-bolt rims. I have 6-bolt rims (6000 lbs axle). No one makes a 6-bolt disk that fits smaller than 15" rims (except Tie Down G-4).

Thanks

chico80x
06-01-2011, 09:52 PM
How long ago did the G5 brakes come out? I have an 07 trailer with triple axles, 6 lugs, and the calipers are single piston. Can anyone tell me what style of brakes I have? Thanks.

EASTERNMARINE
06-02-2011, 09:54 AM
If they are Tie Down they are probably the Eliminator vented disc brakes.

pitahui
06-02-2011, 05:46 PM
The G5 system came out about a month ago or so....

chico80x
06-04-2011, 12:32 AM
Eastern, can you tell me how the eliminators compare to the Kodiak's? I recently did all the bearings on my trailer and the disk and hubs were starting to corrode. I'm also no expert but the calipers did seem to be in good condition but I keep hearing all these horror stories about the Tie Downs.

EASTERNMARINE
06-06-2011, 09:45 AM
Eastern, can you tell me how the eliminators compare to the Kodiak's? I recently did all the bearings on my trailer and the disk and hubs were starting to corrode. I'm also no expert but the calipers did seem to be in good condition but I keep hearing all these horror stories about the Tie Downs.


At this point it is really hard to tell, the design seems to be much improved but until they have been out for a while it is going to be hard to say for sure. I think if this brake is a reliable product it will help them dilute the bad press they have received for the G4 design.

Kodiak has been proven to be a reliable disc brake, I really like the dacromet/stainless version for the best bang for your buck.



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