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Glock Diver
03-23-2011, 06:10 PM
So I picked up my new All-American trailer last week (nice trailer, here are some pics below). After I put the boat on the trailer, I noticed that the I-beams look to be bowing IN. Very concerning! The company has told me they believe too much weight is on the front of the trailer, and they're having me bring it in to make adjustments, free of charge.

I drove to the scales today and weighed it. It weighs 6040 lbs, but with 800 lbs on the tongue! If I'm not mistaken, my tongue weight capacity on my F150 is 500 lbs, so I'm a bit concerned about driving the 130 miles to the trailer manufacturer, with that much weight on the tongue. Any advice? ;?


here are a couple photos. I added the toolbox last weekend.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z320/MikeVAg33/newTrailer.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z320/MikeVAg33/newtrailertongue.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z320/MikeVAg33/newtrailerLeftside.jpg


mike343
03-23-2011, 07:22 PM
Your tongue weight should be about 400 lbs. If you can launch the boat and move the bow stop back 9 inches to a foot (my rough calc) you should be Ok. If doing so puts the hull overhanging the ends of the bunks, you will need to move the axles.

You may get other advice that the correct tongue weight is 10-15%, ignore it. Ot is the truck mfgrs attempt to cover all trailer types. You have a boat trailer.

blackdawg
03-23-2011, 08:09 PM
Looks like you have an 04-08 F150? My 07 is reciever is rated 600/6000 weight carrying and 1,000/10,000 weight distributing and I've been pulling a friends slightly larger boat (23) than your rig for four years just fine. It is also very tongue heavy due to the axles being too far back and the trailer is made for a 27. It squats my truck more than a 27 Venture does. Get under there and see what it says and check your ball mount and ball to make sure they are equal or greater. If its at least 600/6,000 I wouldn't worry about towing it back so they can balance it out properly. I'd be more concerned about trailer sway or blowing a tire. It looks to me like the axles need to move forward.


Glock Diver
03-23-2011, 08:40 PM
Looks like you have an 04-08 F150? My 07 is reciever is rated 600/6000 weight carrying and 1,000/10,000 weight distributing and I've been pulling a friends slightly larger boat (23) than your rig for four years just fine. It is also very tongue heavy due to the axles being too far back and the trailer is made for a 27. It squats my truck more than a 27 Venture does. Get under there and see what it says and check your ball mount and ball to make sure they are equal or greater. If its at least 600/6,000 I wouldn't worry about towing it back so they can balance it out properly. I'd be more concerned about trailer sway or blowing a tire. It looks to me like the axles need to move forward.

Sorry, should have added that detail. It's a 2010 F150. I did lookup the tongue capacity, and it's 500 lbs. And I'm at 800! :( Overall trailer capacity is 9600 with my 3.55 gears, so I'm safe there. It's just the tongue I'm worried about.

It doesn't squat the bed of the truck very much, but then again, there's nothing in the bed to weigh it down. Just on the receiver.

Curmudgeon
03-23-2011, 09:52 PM
I'm not sure I buy 800# TW is a valid reason for frame warping, but I'm not an engineer.

Your tongue weight is 13%. First thing you need to do is decide what percentage you want to end up with, which means picking one of the myriad numbers you'll hear/find for 'correct' tongue weight. Don't be afraid to go with a higher class hitch.

Then consult with your manufacturer for the best way to accomplish that. FWIW, having the transom hang over the rear bunks more than a couple of inches isn't usually recommended.

While your load comes in under the tow rating of the truck, be sure you know the 'combined vehicle weight rating's, and make sure you're within that (truck and boat as loaded for the road). I know if my boat was much heavier than it is, I'd be marginal for CVWR even though I'm not pushing the tow rating ...

t500hps
03-24-2011, 04:56 AM
determine how far back you want to move the boat (9 inches sounds about right). Launch the boat and tie it off out of the way. Bring a few battery powered tools to the ramp and park your rig out of the way. Move your winch stand back 9 inches (should only be 6 bolts). Unbolt your bunks and slide them back 9 inches (you have 2 brackets with 2 bolts in each side....8 bolts 3/4 wrench/socket). Re-load the boat. The front centering PVC cross-member might need to be raised a little, check and see.......go re-weigh your rig, your tongue weight will be reduced and the transom is still supported.


FWIW: I used to buy to re-sell boats and often sold the trailers with the boats.....I've done exactly this in the parking lot several times. (including building new bunks on a buddies trailer and re-carpeting several too)

Glock Diver
03-28-2011, 04:04 PM
UPDATE:

The guys at All American were very accomodating. :) I dropped off the trailer/boat on Thursday, and they adjusted the winch stand back about 18", and also replaced the 8' bunks with 9' bunks, that hug the hull even tighter. It was ready to go when I picked it up Friday morning, and with 450 lbs tongue weight, as I requested. :thumbsup: I feel much better about the wear & tear on my truck now.


I still am seeing some slight bowing of the I-beams, however, and will give them a call tomorrow to see what can be done. I am thinking that the bunks might need to move outward, towards the fenders. Right now, there's about an 8" gap between the fenders and the bunks. ;? Thoughts?
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z320/MikeVAg33/Trailerbowing1-1.jpg

rayteagarden1
03-30-2011, 02:39 PM
Ditch the tool box, then move the spare tire to behind the axle, moving the spare will take weight off the tongue and be a counter weight to lighten the tongue weight.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/rayteagarden/SpareTire.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/rayteagarden/SlideEnd.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/rayteagarden/SpareLock.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/rayteagarden/RayCharicture.jpg



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