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big angler
01-23-2011, 12:06 PM
Just received the new 2010 Eninrude E-tec service Manual and it suggest
using the diagnostic software version 4.0 p/n 765338 to check out stored service codes and other tests, along with a interface cable p/n 437955.
Ok my question is how can in get the software and cable?
Must I go back to the dealer? or is there a websight out there I can get this stuff at.
Any input would be appreciated
Big Angler


IKAT
01-23-2011, 12:16 PM
Just received the new 2010 Eninrude E-tec service Manual and it suggest
using the diagnostic software version 4.0 p/n 765338 to check out stored service codes and other tests, along with a interface cable p/n 437955.
Ok my question is how can in get the software and cable?
Must I go back to the dealer? or is there a websight out there I can get this stuff at.
Any input would be appreciated
Big Angler

Cable you can get--software-only at the dealer;?;?;?

IKAT

jhebert
01-23-2011, 06:04 PM
I give complete details on how to fabricate an RS-232 to E-TEC EMM interface cable in

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002257.html

The Evinrude Diagnostic Software is typically not sold at the dealer, however it appears to be widely distributed by various unauthorized sources. I am not one of them.


seabob4
01-23-2011, 06:19 PM
I give complete details on how to fabricate an RS-232 to E-TEC EMM interface cable in

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002257.html

The Evinrude Diagnostic Software is typically not sold at the dealer, however it appears to be widely distributed by various unauthorized sources. I am not one of them.

The dealer won't sell the software, as he gets one hour labor for putting your Etec on the computer. And if you can buy it, chances are it's not the latest, with all the updates...

PBK
01-23-2011, 06:19 PM
Thanks,

I used your instructions to make a cable this spring, works great!

For the OP I would suggest you have a look over at the etec owners group http://www.etecownersgroup.com/ , I'm sure you will find a lot of helpful information over there.

jethro1
01-23-2011, 06:21 PM
The Evinrude Diagnostic Software is typically not sold at the dealer, however it appears to be widely distributed by various unauthorized sources. I am not one of them.

Most people express their hatred for boat and motor thieves. I wonder how they feel about the customers of those thieves?

It might be interesting to see how many are willing to accept stolen property from the thief that first stole Evinrudes Intellectual property (the software) or from others that are illegally in possession of the software.

From your comment that the software has been widely distributed, there seems to already be a number of boaters that are in the possession of the stolen property.

Butch Davis
01-24-2011, 08:29 AM
Not necessarily stolen property.

Once a product is purchased from a vendor it becomes the exclusive property of the buyer. The buyer then is able to sell the property to whomever he/she pleases unless the original buyer and the vendor have entered into a contract forbidding the onward selling of the property. This is often accompanied by a buy back agreement.

Unauthorized reproduction and sale of copyrighted property is another story and is clearly illegal theft of intellectual property.

Attempts to limit the distribution of proprietary troubleshooting devices/software are bound to fail as a free market economy demands competition for business beyond a dealer network of approved shops. The automotive business has long since given up on attempts to stifle competition.

Any owner of an engine should be able to effect repair of the engine without being forced to have it done by a dealer network service outlet.

semperfifishing
01-25-2011, 06:26 AM
[QUOTE=jhebert;3484178

The Evinrude Diagnostic Software is typically not sold at the dealer, however it appears to be widely distributed by various unauthorized sources. I am not one of them.[/QUOTE]


Using this unauthorized source has more than a few risks.
All it takes is one "practical joker" to add a few unwanted bugs.

I use several E-tec's and normally am a long way from a dealer and wish Evinrude would provide easy access to diagnostic software on its web site .
Considering the fact that this is a software driven engine it would be nice for me to know the condition of my "lifeline" as my fishing in often in some very difficult Alaskan conditions.

rwidman
01-25-2011, 10:00 AM
Not necessarily stolen property.

Once a product is purchased from a vendor it becomes the exclusive property of the buyer. The buyer then is able to sell the property to whomever he/she pleases unless the original buyer and the vendor have entered into a contract forbidding the onward selling of the property. This is often accompanied by a buy back agreement.

Unauthorized reproduction and sale of copyrighted property is another story and is clearly illegal theft of intellectual property.

Attempts to limit the distribution of proprietary troubleshooting devices/software are bound to fail as a free market economy demands competition for business beyond a dealer network of approved shops. The automotive business has long since given up on attempts to stifle competition.

Any owner of an engine should be able to effect repair of the engine without being forced to have it done by a dealer network service outlet.

Software is "intellectual property". If you bother to read the licensing agreement that comes with it, you will find that you did not "buy" the software, you bought a license to use it. The licensing agreement dictates how you may use the software. Use of the software (copying, reselling, giving copies to your buddies, etc.) in violation of the agreement is a crime. It's theft of intellectual property. You may not like it, but that is what you agree to when you purchase the license to use the software.

If you write your own software, you are free to license it or give it away as you wish.

seabob4
01-25-2011, 03:02 PM
Software is "intellectual property". If you bother to read the licensing agreement that comes with it, you will find that you did not "buy" the software, you bought a license to use it. The licensing agreement dictates how you may use the software. Use of the software (copying, reselling, giving copies to your buddies, etc.) in violation of the agreement is a crime. It's theft of intellectual property. You may not like it, but that is what you agree to when you purchase the license to use the software.

If you write your own software, you are free to license it or give it away as you wish.

This is VERY true...:thumbsup: Ask me how I know...

Butch Davis
01-25-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm not sure you guys got what I wrote.

I didn't say software was not copyrighted intellectual property. I did say a product can be sold if purchased. If I buy a piece of software I can sell it legally unless I agree otherwise at the time of purchase. Don't read into something that which is not there.

Is the E-Tec software available only by download or is it published on disc? I don't know.

semperfifishing
01-25-2011, 04:30 PM
Any owner of an engine should be able to effect repair of the engine without being forced to have it done by a dealer network service outlet.


I see no one "forcing" anyone to have work done by a dealer.

If an owner wishes to effect repair an engine on his own he is free to do so...even if it is under warranty.
He just may not posses the correct tools,software etc.

I see no reason why the dealer should supply those items to a do it at home mechanic.

They have an investment in training,software, buildings,tools,equipment, personal and I personally do not begrudge the labor rate I pay for what little service my E-tec's have cost me.


And if an engine is under warranty and the owner wishes it to remain so, then a visit to a dealer might be a wise choice.
But it is a free choice.
Not forced.

Butch Davis
01-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Nor do I begrudge the labor rate charged by a shop be it an "authorized" shop or otherwise.

Nor do I begrudge the independent shop's ability to work on an E-Tec engine using any tools the shop has legally obtained. Who is to say they may not have the E-Tec software and they have not obtained it by legal means?

How about this scenario: A shop has been an authorized Evinrude/ Bombardier dealer/repair shop for a few years. It has all the special tools, etc, needed to work on Evinrude engines. The shop is purchased by Joe Slapshot who does not want to be an "authorized" Evinrude place, he'd rather be an independent.

Joe now owns all the equipement in the shop and hires all the former employees. Does he then have to erase the E-tec software from HIS computer? Somehow, I don't think so because Joe has bought the shop lock, stock, and barrel.

Far fetched? Yes, sure, but....

Just remember I originally said the software may not be stolen.

seabob4
01-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Nor do I begrudge the labor rate charged by a shop be it an "authorized" shop or otherwise.

Nor do I begrudge the independent shop's ability to work on an E-Tec engine using any tools the shop has legally obtained. Who is to say they may not have the E-Tec software and they have not obtained it by legal means?

How about this scenario: A shop has been an authorized Evinrude/ Bombardier dealer/repair shop for a few years. It has all the special tools, etc, needed to work on Evinrude engines. The shop is purchased by Joe Slapshot who does not want to be an "authorized" Evinrude place, he'd rather be an independent.

Joe now owns all the equipement in the shop and hires all the former employees. Does he then have to erase the E-tec software from HIS computer? Somehow, I don't think so because Joe has bought the shop lock, stock, and barrel.

Far fetched? Yes, sure, but....

Just remember I originally said the software may not be stolen.

Butch,
And if "Joe" chooses not to re-up with BRP, then he can't get the software updates. AND, if he doesn't update within a certain time parameter, usually 90 days, then his software becomes useless. He can't do a damn thing with it. I know...

Same with Merc's CIS software. You can get by without a websync for about 60 days. After that, you are dead in the water...unless you have a dealer/OEM #...

KeyPineSavage
01-25-2011, 05:58 PM
The automotive business has long since given up on attempts to stifle competition.

Any owner of an engine should be able to effect repair of the engine without being forced to have it done by a dealer network service outlet.

Butch

Ask any independent shop owner (auto.) They kind of have and kind of haven't given up. Their direct efforts to "hog" the code information and prohibit any other code readers from using it, yes, pretty much though I believe BMW and at least one other still try.

But now they are going to "dealer service only" components and sub-assemblies. These require a bunch of special tools, high price for an independent who must have them for every brand and, worse, if some of these units are opened/serviced by a non-dealer, their warranties are voided.

rwidman
01-25-2011, 06:36 PM
I'm not sure you guys got what I wrote.

I didn't say software was not copyrighted intellectual property. I did say a product can be sold if purchased. If I buy a piece of software I can sell it legally unless I agree otherwise at the time of purchase. Don't read into something that which is not there. .
I'm not sure you got what I wrote.

You may indeed buy a box containing a CD or other media and possibly an operating manual, and you own the CD, but you don't "own" the software code that's included on the CD. You own a license to use it under the conditions included in the license agreement. In general, you have purchased the right to install the software on one computer and make an archival copy for backup. In some cases, you can purchase a license for multiple computers or all the computers at a single site (building or campus).

I understand that you may not believe me or agree that this is how it should be, but this is something I know quite well from my time as a computer and network specialist in a public school system. If you choose to make copies and sell or give them away, you can face large fines or even prison time.

Let's turn this around. You spend a year witing software code expecting to be paid back for your work by licensing the software to end users. Instead of thousands of dollars pouring in, you license only a few copies because users made copies and sold them to their friends or on ebay. How would you feel about intellectual property laws?

KeyPineSavage
01-25-2011, 10:34 PM
Ron

I'm pretty sure Butch was talking about selling his original software, and his license, to a purchaser.

rwidman
01-26-2011, 07:03 AM
Ron

I'm pretty sure Butch was talking about selling his original software, and his license, to a purchaser.
That's probably allowed but it should be in the license agreement. I haven't had to study one in several years. I used to have to explain, over and over again to a bunch of school teachers and administrators, why we couldn't buy one copy of, say Microsoft Word, and then install it on thirty, sixty, or six hundred computers. :banghead:

Butch Davis
01-26-2011, 08:22 AM
Of course it's allowed. Otherwise Walmart and lots of other software sellers are in big trouble.

jethro1
01-26-2011, 10:37 AM
Of course it's allowed. Otherwise Walmart and lots of other software sellers are in big trouble.

In the case of Microsoft software, I doubt that Walmart is "selling" the software. What they are probably doing is being a middle man in the licensing of the software to one particular end user.

Most software comes with a licensing agreement. In this case it is not being sold to the customer but rather he is obtaining and using it under a licensing agreement. He is the licensee and the owner of the software is the licensor.

We need an Evinrude dealer to ring in on what BRP's software license says.

big angler
01-26-2011, 10:57 AM
PEOPLE..PEOPLE..PEOPLE,
In my post about e-tec software, all I was looking for was a place to buy it. [the software].
I never though I was going to open such a pandora's box.
In the service manual... under tools.. they offer software and even give you a part number.. "So it's not stealing " I paid $80 bucks for the book
and all I was looking for was a place to buy the software and that's because I can't get from the "B R P " web-sight. I don't understand this, and I don't like to pay dealer's prices for stuff.
And I'm not trying go jip dealers out of there profits. I just don't want to drive 100 miles to my dealer and drop off my boat for two weeks or more for something I can do myself..... On top of that I would love to know whats going on inside of that wonderful brain screwed to the top of my engine.
To make a long story short this knowledge is wisdom!

Thank you,
BIG ANGLER

nsh
01-26-2011, 12:46 PM
When i had evinrudes i was tight with my dealer. My boat stayed in the water year round. He actually sold me a CD with the software to use to trouble shoot the problems. I purchased all my parts from him and used him when the work was too technical for me. Do you know your dealer that good? You could try that.

rwidman
01-26-2011, 01:06 PM
In the case of Microsoft software, I doubt that Walmart is "selling" the software. What they are probably doing is being a middle man in the licensing of the software to one particular end user.

Most software comes with a licensing agreement. In this case it is not being sold to the customer but rather he is obtaining and using it under a licensing agreement. He is the licensee and the owner of the software is the licensor.

Thank you!

rwidman
01-26-2011, 01:09 PM
PEOPLE..PEOPLE..PEOPLE,
In my post about e-tec software, all I was looking for was a place to buy it. [the software].
I never though I was going to open such a pandora's box.
In the service manual... under tools.. they offer software and even give you a part number.. "So it's not stealing " I paid $80 bucks for the book
and all I was looking for was a place to buy the software and that's because I can't get from the "B R P " web-sight. I don't understand this, and I don't like to pay dealer's prices for stuff.

You might have to pay dealer's prices. You have the part number, do a web search or call dealers for a price. Or call Evinrude. They should be able to ship it to you.

big angler
01-27-2011, 01:45 PM
Thank You for all the come-backs , ... the dealer has the software and I can order it from him it's about $250. dollars.... However there is two versions one for the dealer only.....And you can not get one... And one for the customer its basically a r.o.m. disc, you con look but you can't change anything.

Big Angler

renagade69
03-03-2011, 04:38 PM
This link has it .
http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post?id=3839632

For the software to work all the way dealership info needs to be put into the program to unlock alot of the features.Most dealers don't sell the program for that reason. I find the best thing for the customer is the ICommand gauge. This will give you all the info you will need without a laptop. There is a txt file with the download above and it can be unlocked. I advise you don't unless you know what you are doing.



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