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rkp
12-20-2010, 04:47 AM
I'm thinking of installing an HDS unit in my Electronics box and I want to link it to a dash mounted unit. The issue I'm running into is that the chase up the T-top is narrow and it will not fit the connector for the ethernet cable.

Is there a way to splice the cable without impacting operation or causing interference with other electronics? I don't see anything on Lowrance or LEI's site on splices.

Thanks


edyer
12-20-2010, 08:18 AM
I thinking of installing an HDS unit in my Electronics box and I want to link it to a dash mounted unit. The issue I'm running into is that the chase up the T-top is narrow and it will not fit the connector for the ethernet cable.

Is there a way to splice the cable without impacting operation or causing interference with other electronics? I don't see anything on Lowrance or LEI's site on splices.

Thanks

I don't know why you couldn't do it. I had a couple of lowrance units that were making noise and causing interference on the VFH so I cut the ethernet cable to see what was inside expecting the cable to be the culprit. The cables were not the problem. So I spliced it back together using butt connectors and shrink tubing and it worked the same as before it was cut. Surprisingly the wires appeared to be the exact same wires they use in the nmea 2000 cables.

SmokinBarrel
12-20-2010, 10:27 AM
I have changed tranducers and cables approx. 4 - 6x, re-running them under the gunnel. It is very time consuming. With that said, I have wonder the same, is it possible to set up a electrical box on the transom, that way I don't have to re-run the cable each time I make a change.

Of course, I finally have my system setup the way I want it, but for future purposes I may give it a try.

See diagram...


HDRyder999
12-20-2010, 01:05 PM
If it's true ethernet it won't be a problem. I'd get a little plastic project box from radio shack and use those gel filled crimp connectors designed for telephone wires if the wire is solid and a small european terminal strip if the wires are stranded.

If you're good at soldering, you could do that, too but there will be eight tiny wires inside the cable. Stagger the cuts so the splice won't be too large and use heat shrink with dielectric grease.

rkp
12-20-2010, 02:54 PM
Thanks, hate to blow $40 on screwing up the cables. May need to talk to some folks that install computer network and see what they do when making connections.

rwidman
12-20-2010, 03:14 PM
Thanks, hate to blow $40 on screwing up the cables. May need to talk to some folks that install computer network and see what they do when making connections.

If it's ethernet, cut the connector off one end, pull the cable, then install a new connector using the proper crimping tool. I used to make or shorten ethernet cables all the time at work.

t3rockhall
12-20-2010, 03:24 PM
If it's ethernet, cut the connector off one end, pull the cable, then install a new connector using the proper crimping tool. I used to make or shorten ethernet cables all the time at work.
Make sure you use the same colors in the same positions when you put them in the RJ-45 plug. Leave enough on the plug you cut off so you can tell the 2-color wires from the 1-color (Orange and White from just Orange, for example). It does take a bit of practice to get those wires in just right, though, and then to crimp them properly.

rwidman
12-20-2010, 03:40 PM
Make sure you use the same colors in the same positions when you put them in the RJ-45 plug. Leave enough on the plug you cut off so you can tell the 2-color wires from the 1-color (Orange and White from just Orange, for example). It does take a bit of practice to get those wires in just right, though, and then to crimp them properly.

Well, yes, you have to put them back in the same position on the connector.

Note: You may find one end wired differently from the other. If you do, it's supposed to be wired that way. Wire the new connector the same as the one you cut off.

Typical:

http://www.cablesplususa.com/images/rj45-cable-568a.gif

seabob4
12-20-2010, 04:00 PM
Found out you can also splice NMEA 2000 backbone harnesses as well...out of neccessity. 3 twisted pairs (I think, may have been 4), hot, ground, and shield...

HDRyder999
12-20-2010, 05:41 PM
I install computer networks, what do you need to know?

rkp
12-21-2010, 04:09 AM
HDR, I was wondering if there are any tricks of the trade when making splices in the thin gauge wire, as I re-read your earlier post and look at the plug pic rwidman provided it sort of becomes clear to my foggy head.

I may try to pull back some of the wires that are in one of the chases now to see if that give enough clearance to get the plug in. This may be the best bet before splicing the ethernet line.

Karl in NY
12-21-2010, 04:20 AM
http://cache3.smarthome.com/images/89210.jpg

This is a plug brand called EZ-RJ45. The feed-thru design makes installing one 100x easier than using a standard RJ45, with zero chance of a mistake. You insert the wires one at a time, rather trying to get all eight of them aligned at once, Then crimp, then trim off the excess protruding from the front of the connector.

They're all I use now, would never go back.

Door#3
12-21-2010, 06:35 AM
If it's ethernet, cut the connector off one end, pull the cable, then install a new connector using the proper crimping tool. I used to make or shorten ethernet cables all the time at work.

Yup, this is the way. No need to splice. If you know anyone that works with networks borrow the crimping tool from them.

rwidman
12-21-2010, 06:57 AM
HDR, I was wondering if there are any tricks of the trade when making splices in the thin gauge wire, as I re-read your earlier post and look at the plug pic rwidman provided it sort of becomes clear to my foggy head.

I may try to pull back some of the wires that are in one of the chases now to see if that give enough clearance to get the plug in. This may be the best bet before splicing the ethernet line.

If you are fishing the wire with the connector, the tab that holds the connector in the socket will get hung up on anything it can and if you try to pull it back, it will break off. Put tape around the plug to make is smooth before tyring to fish it anywhere.

rwidman
12-21-2010, 07:02 AM
You insert the wires one at a time, rather trying to get all eight of them aligned at once, Then crimp, then trim off the excess protruding from the front of the connector.
Strip the outer covering back an inch or so, untwist the wires and place them in the correct order, then flatten them by pulling them over the edge of a counter or desk top. Now, take your diagonal cutters and make a single cut, cutting them all to the correct length. You can now push them into the connector and they will all go in the right slot.

I did a few of these on my last job. A thousand or so over a few years. ;)

HDRyder999
12-21-2010, 07:55 AM
You need to have a crimper to put a connector on a cable. I've never seen the Lowrance cables but the other marine ethernet cables I've see usually have some sort of water resistant connector that is proprietary.

It's like anything else the first hundred connectors you crimp are a pain in the ass. After that, you can do it blindfolded.

Are you trying to lengthen the cable or are you just trying to fish the cable without the connector?

I get to Fort Myers every other week or so, if you're not in a hurry, I could crimp on a connector for you.

BassFisher1
12-21-2010, 08:04 AM
the Lowrance Ethernet cables do not have an RJ45 connector. It is a screw threaded connector with 5 pins.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i28/mikeoftulsa/Miscellaneous/Lowrance/03fc22a9.jpg

HDRyder999
12-21-2010, 11:35 AM
It looks like a proprietary connection. Just use a mini european terminal strip in a small, plastic project box from Radio Shack and you're be fine for a decade or more. Just don't untwist the wires any more than you have to.

edyer
12-21-2010, 11:13 PM
If I remember correctly the ethernet connector that lowrance uses is the same as the blue nmea connectors that lowrance used on the older units. I remember being able to plug it in to one of the ends and use it to switch cables direction since both ends are the same on the ethernet cable. . You may be able to get some of those from maretron ?

BassFisher1
12-23-2010, 07:56 AM
while the pins might match up, they are not the "same" as the blue nmea cables.

steelhead726
12-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Cut the end going up the T Top leaving a inch to use as reference to "pin out" a radio shack rj-45 for re crimping. It's a 20 min. job at most.

Endtuition01
12-23-2010, 09:10 AM
My Garmin came with an extra RJ-45 connector, and some copper tape ? I guess so I could customize the cable length for my install ? The supplied cables all have ends on them already. I like the idea of custom cables.

BassFisher1
12-23-2010, 12:35 PM
Cut the end going up the T Top leaving a inch to use as reference to "pin out" a radio shack rj-45 for re crimping. It's a 20 min. job at most.

Just an fyi, this is not an RJ45 connector. Its a Lowrance proprietary connector.

rwidman
12-23-2010, 02:32 PM
Just an fyi, this is not an RJ45 connector. Its a Lowrance proprietary connector.

Since we have been told that this is not a RJ45 connector, perhaps the next best choice would be to contact the manufacturer and ask if they have a connector that can be user installed.

edyer
12-25-2010, 02:05 PM
while the pins might match up, they are not the "same" as the blue nmea cables.

O.K if you say so.....
.

BassFisher1
12-29-2010, 08:21 AM
Since we have been told that this is not a RJ45 connector, perhaps the next best choice would be to contact the manufacturer and ask if they have a connector that can be user installed.

They do not sell the connectors. Only the cables as a whole.

rkp
12-29-2010, 08:29 AM
I will be installing the 2nd HDS unit on the dash so will not need to snake the ehternet cable through the T-top tube after all. Thanks for the advise. You would think that the connectors could be a bit smaller as it would simplify installations.

jfwireless
12-29-2010, 01:59 PM
You can always cut one end of the cable and crimp on an RJ45 and use with a switch or RJ45 butt spice to put both ends back together.

Here is a link if you want to connect to a switch and how to wire the enet cable to an RJ45 connector.

http://yachtelectronics.blogspot.com/2010/05/lowrance-yellow-ethernet-cabling.html


Jim

Gkringlen
07-06-2014, 04:36 AM
Like to hookup my hd7 touch to tv monter or com. Mon. Is that possible don't know much about electronics just a old marine wanting a bigger screen



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