The Boating Forum - Busted

OK, fess up. Is this person on here? I-75 near Naples, Wed morning. How much did that ticket run? :o

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/wildsidetri/Busted.jpg

Looks like a nice Intrepid

What was the problem?

Wait til the Porsche club does its annual run from Ft Lauderdale to Naples next month. :) I was doing 109 when a 997 Turbo passed me like I was standing still.

It may be speeding, or maybe he grossly exceeded his tow capacity?

Looks like an awfully heavy boat, and I've owned an H2 and know that the towing capacity is only 6700lbs on the '07's and before and I don't know how much it jumped up when they reworked them in '08 but I still can't imagine it can tow that boat legally.

Or maybe he was speeding AND exceeded his tow capacity.

Looks like a nice Intrepid

Heck yeah it was very nice. They had the poor guy wrapped up for a long time. Went past him twice about 45 mins apart, hence the pic. I assume it was for being over the tow capacity but could have been anything. Wondered what the deal was and what the outcome was but they clearly had him stopped for something.

Notice the DOT cop in the mix. I beti t was a wide load and he had no DOT permit...

Sometimes they mess with you sometimes they don't, all depends on how good the doughnuts were that morning...stale doughnuts can lead to problems with the law!

Notice the DOT cop in the mix. I beti t was a wide load and he had no DOT permit...

Sometimes they f*** with you sometimes they don't, all depends on how good the doughnuts were that morning...stale doughnuts can lead to problems with the law!

You mean its like getting a boat built on Monday or Friday type of thing or how much acetone the crew was sniffing when they built it... I think my current boat was built on a Tuesday so I hope I am safe....

WOW is all I can say......

Maybe that poor little H2 had enough and gave up the ghost right there...??

Just wow..

It may be speeding, or maybe he grossly exceeded his tow capacity?

Looks like an awfully heavy boat, and I've owned an H2 and know that the towing capacity is only 6700lbs on the '07's and before and I don't know how much it jumped up when they reworked them in '08 but I still can't imagine it can tow that boat legally.

Or maybe he was speeding AND exceeded his tow capacity.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/vehicle/towing-capacity-chart12.htm

According to this max towing capacity for an H2 is 8200 lbs. He looks a little short.

My Durango has that beat. Its rated for 8850. I could handle that Intrepid, no problem:)

Wait til the Porsche club does its annual run from Ft Lauderdale to Naples next month. :) I was doing 109 when a 997 Turbo passed me like I was standing still.

Sorry but if it was up to me I would have that guy's 997 impounded and sold at auction for that. If that didn't deter him second offense I would put his ass in jail for 6 months.

You want to go that fast do it on a racetrack not a public highway. Public roads are for transportation, not entertainment.

Public roads are for transportation, not entertainment.

Are you sure? What about watching porn for entertainment while driving down a boring stetch of road? Makes the trip seem to go by faster.

Not sure about it being illegal to exceed the towing capacity. What are they going to your VIN number and see what equipment was on it from the factory? My diesel suburban has an 8500 tow capacity and tow over 12klbs. The same truck with the old big block was 12k lbs so what are they going to site me for? nothing but being oversized.
I use my wife's truck to tow on the highway.

I guess the Nosey Body convention was in town.

Could have been missing a trailer tag, Cops suspicious why that vehicle would be towing a boat that size, they think maybe a theft. DOT shows up, boat over width....

I would bet She was coming from the factory on Her way to the Show in Ft. Lauderdale!

What a drag. Not only do you get a ticket, and your day is ruined; probably your whole scheme of using your boat is disintegrated. Now you have a $50k truck that you cant use with your $15k trailer with, and so on......

Not sure about it being illegal to exceed the towing capacity. What are they going to your VIN number and see what equipment was on it from the factory? My diesel suburban has an 8500 tow capacity and tow over 12klbs. The same truck with the old big block was 12k lbs so what are they going to site me for? nothing but being oversized.
I use my wife's truck to tow on the highway.


It is only illegal on THT.

Public roads are for transportation, not entertainment.

Apparently, you don't get out much:grin::grin:


Big Al

OK, fess up. Is this person on here? I-75 near Naples, Wed morning. How much did that ticket run? :o

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg310/wildsidetri/Busted.jpg


Brings back extra wide permit and fees memories. In Alabama (or was it Louisiana?) Texas, Nu Mexico and Arizona..

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LEO were preforming a road side insanity check and when the owner was found sane. LEO proceeded giving the owner a ticket for screwing up such a nice boat by putting Vrat on it......


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LEO were preforming a road side insanity check and when the owner was found sane. LEO proceeded giving the owner a ticket for screwing up such a nice boat by putting Vrat on it......


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Funny how someone jokes about the v's, but owns a single zuke! I think I'll stick with my pair! At least they painted them black, so you think you have a motor rather than a suped up weed eater!

Is the name on side Tactical one? if so it is a Donzie 38zsf.

I think i saw that, I live near the intrepid facility in Largo and saw one early this AM leaving.

The LEOS were probably bored and decided to check it out wishing they could have one. Or, like someone else said, they had bad doughnuts that morning.

I pulled my stamas with my H2. It had an LOA right at 31', though it was light for that size. . Plenty of power to pull it, but being that long and pulling with a vehicle that short with a normal hitch it wanted to fishtale over 65mph. I ended up running 60 with it in the slow lane.. Pulling a long trailer with an H2 isn't overly safe, that's for sure.

Apparently, you don't get out much:grin::grin:


Big Al

The following was NOT SMART but it sure was fun.....

I towed a 40 Sea Ray on a standard hitch with a gas 3/4 ton pickup.... the only problem was that there was so much tongue weight, I needed three people sitting on the hood to steer. Only had to go a few miles..... :grin::grin::grin:

The LEOS were probably bored and decided to check it out wishing they could have one. Or, like someone else said, they had bad doughnuts that morning.

A couple years ago I worked an accident on I-95. It was an F-150 pulling a 30'+ express style boat. When traffic came to a stop over a bridge, he couldn't get the rige stopped. The boat pushed the truck into and through a small SUV with two children in the back seat. One died on impact, the other on the side of the road.

I would bet She was coming from the factory on Her way to the Show in Ft. Lauderdale!



X2 Thats probably the 310 Walkaround with a 9'6" beam it would be overwidth and require a permit.

Maybe the LEOs are his fishing buddies and they were shooting the breeze.

A couple years ago I worked an accident on I-95. It was an F-150 pulling a 30'+ express style boat. When traffic came to a stop over a bridge, he couldn't get the rige stopped. The boat pushed the truck into and through a small SUV with two children in the back seat. One died on impact, the other on the side of the road.

Would'nt the trailer brakes had taken care of that? I dont care how big the pickup is or how strong the brakes are, it can only have so much rubber down on the ground on its own. The above sounds like there was something wrong with the braking system or the drivers judgement or driving style caused this.

Funny how someone jokes about the v's, but owns a single zuke! I think I'll stick with my pair! At least they painted them black, so you think you have a motor rather than a suped up weed eater!


Suped up weed eater…… Now that is a truly hilarious statement from a guy that has a overstressed go cart motor with a big fan attached to it. Talk about suped up. How can you compare your puny 2.6L/158CID to a robust 4.0L/245CID……

I have no need to have twins…. The Zuki’s have enough power and reliability to bolt only one.

The reason you have a pair of rats strapped to the back of your boat is you are hoping to multiply your chance of getting to the dock without being towed in.....

What would you expect from a gator......;?;?;?
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The LEOS SNIP! they had bad doughnuts that morning.

Ugh! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick006.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

What a horrible picture. Heaving on the side of that boat..

BTW: "No replacement for Displacement" 'ya shoulda' got an F350. Now there's some displacement for ya..

:grin:

The following was NOT SMART but it sure was fun.....

I towed a 40 Sea Ray on a standard hitch with a gas 3/4 ton pickup.... the only problem was that there was so much tongue weight, I needed three people sitting on the hood to steer. Only had to go a few miles..... :grin::grin::grin:

Welcome to Mississippi, sir.:grin::grin:


Big Al

Looks like an ant trying to pull a banana, hooked to some blenders, what's wrong with that?

Just looked at that towing chart on "how stuff works". It has to be wrong on the tahoe and yukon. On both, the trailblazer and envoy had more towing capacity.....can't be the case. My '02 tahoe has 7400 lb. towing cap., or so thats whats been published. Not sure I'd put much confidence in that site..

If I were the ones who pulled that idiot over I would not let him continue down the road, I would make a wrecker come and tow it away. That is probably why he was there so long. It does not matter how much power your engine has, your tow vehicle must have the weight to control and stop the load you are towing. I would write that guy a handful of tickets, that is a nice way to kill somebody. I don't see humor in it at all. That is about the size of my boat and it weighs at about 10,000 lbs with full fuel tanks plus the trailer weight, over 12,000 lbs. That truck weighs what 4 to 6 thousand pounds? Actuall mine is a 30 footer, that may be a 35 or so, even heavier.

My money says that was a stolen vessel.

Just looked at that towing chart on "how stuff works". I has to be wrong on the tahoe and yukon. On both, the trailblazer and envoy had more towing capacity.....can't be the case. My '02 tahoe has 7400 lb. towing cap., or so thats whats been published. Not sure I'd put much confidence in that site..

I know that the manual for my '07 H2 says 6700lbs so that's what I was going off of. But I would definitely agree that there's no way a Tahoe or Yukon could have lower towing capacity than a Trailblazer/Envoy so I wouldn't put much faith in the site either..

As far as being illegal as I stated before, I guess it's not entirely illegal per se. I'm no lawyer or LEO so I can't say for sure but from what I can tell you can technically exceed towing capacity and there's no real law against it, but there are plenty of other things like axle weights and GCVR and all that they can get you on, as well as width like others have said. But that depends on the state and I'm not sure what Florida's exact rules are.

So who knows... I remember reading somewhere that H2's are one of, if not the most pulled over vehicles on the road so he was already at a disadvantage but with that beast of a boat behind him he must have stuck out like a sore thumb so any infraction was probably pretty noticeable.

...... It does not matter how much power your engine has, your tow vehicle must have the weight to control and stop the load you are towing. .... That is about the size of my boat and it weighs at about 10,000 lbs with full fuel tanks plus the trailer weight, over 12,000 lbs. That truck weighs what 4 to 6 thousand pounds? Actuall mine is a 30 footer, that may be a 35 or so, even heavier.

bayou

Don't quite get your point (or your math) here. How much does a semi tractor weigh, and how long is it, compared with a loaded-to-gross max-length trailer? No tractor weighs even close to 50% of the trailer (loaded) weight. As somebody wrote way early in this thread, the main stopping power is always going to come from the trailer brakes.

it was probably 11+ft wide and crowding the lane, easy to spot when you are DOT cop....

looking for ARS? that 6.2 motor in the hummer will pull plenty of boat i used to pull this heavy bastard with my 6.2

bayou

Don't quite get your point (or your math) here. How much does a semi tractor weigh, and how long is it, compared with a loaded-to-gross max-length trailer? No tractor weighs even close to 50% of the trailer (loaded) weight. As somebody wrote way early in this thread, the main stopping power is always going to come from the trailer brakes.

The semi-tractor weighs around 15-20k lbs and the federal max gross weight (including the tractor) is 80k lbs. The difference between the fraction of gross weight when running a tractor vs an SUV is the much larger surface area of rubber laid down by the 10 tires on the tractor. The coefficient of sliding friction is proportional to this area, which is greater by at least a factor of 20 for the tractor. It's not just the number of tires, but the actual footprint of each tire that's relevant. The tractor translates a much larger percentage of it's weight into braking power.

bayou

Don't quite get your point (or your math) here. How much does a semi tractor weigh, and how long is it, compared with a loaded-to-gross max-length trailer? No tractor weighs even close to 50% of the trailer (loaded) weight. As somebody wrote way early in this thread, the main stopping power is always going to come from the trailer brakes.

One thing you should to realize is that yes a tractor alone weighs much less than the allowed gross, but once coupled to the trailer and loaded the tractors axles out weigh the trailers by 10,000 to 12,000 pounds (10 to 12 k for the steer axle and 34k for the drive axles combined where the trailer is allowed the same 34k for its axles combined). These weights totaled make up the typical 80,000 pound gross for a semi and the tractor now outweighs what it is leading unlike our pickups when leading a much heavier boat.
I agree the H2 should not be pulling that load for many safety reasons, but obviously it is able to pull it, all the way onto the freeway and into what looks like trouble. I hope for the H2 drivers sake it was all about a permit or something minor, but I feel it was about the limits of the tow vehicle and the safety of those around him. Simply put it was not the best choice of tow vehicles for the load, but at least there was no accident and I'm sure the LEO's took care of any situation they deemed unsafe. Not much gets by the DOT officers once you have their undivided attention. ;)

At the very least, it is of some comfort that "they"(LEO's), are doing their job and actually care about our/others safety.

I've pulled many heavy loads through owning heavy equipment and traveling with a 48' trailer for my drag racing hobby. Safety in pulling doesn't overly concern the pulling trucks bakes. The trailer should have more than adequate brakes to stop the load that's on it. The short wheelbase is what makes an H2 dangerous pulling long, heavy loads. It also has to do with the placement of the hitch. If that were a pickup with a gooseneck it would have no problems at all. It could have the exact same brakes, motor, overall weight, etc.

The DOTs are a pain in the rear. I would have let him off.

There has been a huge problem though in that specific corridor with stolen go fast boats used for smuggling.

A couple years ago I worked an accident on I-95. It was an F-150 pulling a 30'+ express style boat. When traffic came to a stop over a bridge, he couldn't get the rige stopped. The boat pushed the truck into and through a small SUV with two children in the back seat. One died on impact, the other on the side of the road.

I hope every dick and mary get stop and ticket (hopefully jailed) for stupid stuff like this. Someone could get seriously hurt.

Just this past weekend. I got brake check twice in the same day. First was by an idiot who decided he want to make a left at the last minute and slam on his brake. Second was an idiot who decide to cut me getting into traffic with a vehicle with a motor too pathetic to accelerate.

Both times - I had to slam on the brake. Hard! Both time ABS kicked in. I had less than a few feet when all said and done. BTW - I pulling with a dually diesel and had white knuckles.

The DOTs are a pain in the rear. I would have let him off.

There has been a huge problem though in that specific corridor with stolen go fast boats used for smuggling.

They are doing there job........When I went by the jackass he had no wide load signs.....If the guy can afford a 38 ft plus Intrepid he should be able to afford a 300.00 wide load permit.
I drive up and down the east and west coast everday and I'm seeing more DOT pulling boats over for no wide load signs which means no permits

bayou

Don't quite get your point (or your math) here. How much does a semi tractor weigh, and how long is it, compared with a loaded-to-gross max-length trailer? No tractor weighs even close to 50% of the trailer (loaded) weight. As somebody wrote way early in this thread, the main stopping power is always going to come from the trailer brakes.

A tractor trailer and a small suv are two totally different things, it amazes me the arguements people come up with. My secondary mos in the military was a heavy wheel vehicle operator and I was trained in this kind of thing. I could not qoute you the engineering statisics for all vehicles but I know stupidity when I see it. Are you defending this guy and do you think the vehicle is adequate to tow that boat, or are you just trying to start an arguement? P.S. the main stopping power does not always come from the trailer brakes, many truckers have been fined for tightening the brakes on the trailers to extend the life of the brakes on their trucks, just ask the state trooper who posted here.

I have seen stops like that before. With all the boat thefts in South Florida the police tend to stop big boats like that on the road just to make sure they aren't stolen.

The DOT being involved does say it could be a capacity issue, though that could have sparked up after the initial reason for stopping them.

Just a couple of comments on this deal,
1. just had a guy next to me tell me to pull off was about to loose my trailer pulled over and hitch weld had pulled apart at seam crazy !!! Lucky I had someone tell me, got biggest hitch They have available at local trailer shop now !!!!
2. Heading back from keys took us41 back and was stopped by leo's checking more stolen boats, and also been told must have straps on trailer so could been one of many things ...

3. I agree truck looks a little light for hauling even going to boat show

Forgetting for a second tire contact area and the coefficient of friction before a tire will break loose after a brake system has been engaged, which by the way is all very relevant. Trailer brakes are not designed to single handedly stop the load of the trailer but rather to act in concert with the tow vehicle's braking system. Furthermore, most trailer brakes are ill equipped to handle the load the trailer is designed to carry. The laws of thermal dynamics come in to play when dealing with undersized braking systems or loads that are exceeding the braking system's capacity. Heat builds up under normal braking and under excessive load the heat will build up faster than the braking system can dissipate the heat which will eventually lead to brake fade and failure, resulting in the in ability to stop in an appropriate distance or worse, stop at all.

To suggest that your trailer's brakes are solely responsible for stopping the trailer load is misguided. There is a reason why vehicles have tow ratings. It's not just about how many horse power you have, it's more about how much weight your chasis, suspension and brakes can handle.

You came very close to testing your safety chains on that one.

What's with all the "school teachers" today? ;? I'm laughing I'm smiling and BAM!....buzz kill (To all the very serious people in this thread, I'm not really buzzed, that was a figure of speach).

In a game of "good cop bad cop", you can tell who the bad cops are geez?

Anyway, 99% of the people on this site 'get it', We don't go 120 on the highway, we don't think cops eat donuts every day, we don't tow beyond our vehicles capacity...we're just goofing.

They are doing there job........When I went by the jackass he had no wide load signs.....If the guy can afford a 38 ft plus Intrepid he should be able to afford a 300.00 wide load permit.
I drive up and down the east and west coast everday and I'm seeing more DOT pulling boats over for no wide load signs which means no permits

Well, let's see, back on page 1, post #7, I stated "wide load issues"...here we are on page 3...

Yea.. I would say he is a bit over weight.. over height ... maybe..

Even if the hummer has a GVW rating of 7,000 and the trailer is a triaxle of probably 18,000 or more as a guess


And yes it is illegal to tow in excess of your towing capacity marked on your vehicle.. and also on your trailer. Once you get above 10,000 pounds in most states your considered a commercial vehicle typically.
Which changes the game a lot.
DOT can red tag the vehicle and or the driver. Which means either the drive can not drive for 10 hours or the vehicle has to be swapped out for the correct matched vehicle to move the load.
If caught ignoring that one, $2,500 fine.

Oh.. someone I know around here just got an over height ticket.. not with a boat however.. .but it was $2200 for that.


Oh and oversize permits .. well at least here.. $23 for the state permit.. typically the cost range ...

Just my .02

Welcome to gslam88. Great first post. Keep up the good work.

I bought my 18,000lb, 11' 6" wide, 33' long Rampage in Tampa Bay. It was shipped up by a dude driving a brand new truck on a duelly trailer. He had to be the luckiest man alive, he called from NJ asking ho to get to LI!!!! (hello BRIDGES, PERMITS, FEE's, WIDE LOADS, 2 weeks notice to DOT, required night driving only, require front and rear escort). He had NOTTA.

I said STOP RIGHT NOW~!!! Drive to the shore and find a marina to drop the boat in. I drove my boat up (traded in, he took back down) and drove the Rampage home from Jersey.

The un-lucky part was, he ruined his brand new truck. The motor was smoked!! Not made to pull 18k 1500 miles, during the break in period.

There is no way in hell that vech. Could pull that boat up the ramp :grin:

Yea.. I would say he is a bit over weight.. over height ... maybe..

Even if the hummer has a GVW rating of 7,000 and the trailer is a triaxle of probably 18,000 or more as a guess


And yes it is illegal to tow in excess of your towing capacity marked on your vehicle.. and also on your trailer. Once you get above 10,000 pounds in most states your considered a commercial vehicle typically.
Which changes the game a lot.
DOT can red tag the vehicle and or the driver. Which means either the drive can not drive for 10 hours or the vehicle has to be swapped out for the correct matched vehicle to move the load.
If caught ignoring that one, $2,500 fine.

Oh.. someone I know around here just got an over height ticket.. not with a boat however.. .but it was $2200 for that.


Oh and oversize permits .. well at least here.. $23 for the state permit.. typically the cost range ...

Just my .02


If that was in Florida he was 40,000lbs overweight or under license.:trout:

Cops might be buying some weed.

just sayin

It doesn't look overheight, but I don't see any straps. I got a ticket for not having a strap every 10'. The DOT cop actually said it would be hard to strap this boat legally, the windshield is in the way. He still ticketed me.

a fountain sales rep a few years ago used to tow his 42 with a Escalade. the air ride was working non-stop to keep the rig level. he towed like this a few times to NYC.

Yea.. I would say he is a bit over weight.. over height ... maybe..

Even if the hummer has a GVW rating of 7,000 and the trailer is a triaxle of probably 18,000 or more as a guess


And yes it is illegal to tow in excess of your towing capacity marked on your vehicle.. and also on your trailer. Once you get above 10,000 pounds in most states your considered a commercial vehicle typically. Nope. Only if your making money hauling are you considered a commercial vehicle. I'm 21000 hauling the fountain and don't have to go by any commercial vehicle laws. No weight stations, log book, ect, ect. .
Which changes the game a lot.
DOT can red tag the vehicle and or the driver. Nope, not if the driver owns the boat or hauling it for free. They can make you get the correct permits write you and let you go for smaller violations if they want or get a bigger tow unit if what your towing it with is not the correct size for what your hauling but flagging only applies to commercial units. Once your legal they can not hold you or make your comply to commercial regulations such as the 10 hour rule. Which means either the driver can not drive for 10 hours or the vehicle has to be This part is correct>swapped out for the correct matched vehicle to move the load.
If caught ignoring that one, $2,500 fine.If they catch you with a unit to small to tow what your hauling your not going to get a chance to ignore it. Ever seen a boat behind a wrecker. The boat will be hauled to storage and off the highway till you come up with a better mouse trap. (legal tow unit)

Oh.. someone I know around here just got an over height ticket.. not with a boat however.. .but it was $2200 for that.


Oh and oversize permits .. well at least here.. $23 for the state permit.. typically the cost range ...

Just my .02
Dot can not put a non commercial unit out of service for commercial violations.
If the unit your hauling does not comply with state and federal regulations for non commercial units they can make your correct this, ticket you and let you go or get another tow unit before you move it but placing you out of service for hauling anything, boat, race trailer, travel trailer as long as your not being paid they can't do and the 10 hour rule again, is only in the commercial world.
Only if your hauling the boat for money do you fall under commercial regulations such as being placed out of service (flagged) which require commercial tags, permits and insurance and those wonderful log books. The catch 22 on this is if your headed to AKA or SKS to win money they can call it commercial. For personal use you are non commercial.
10 hours out of service rule is commercial only. Commercial is being paid for a service. :thumbsup:

Some states do require you stop at weigh stations if you're over 10,000lbs gvw. Usually if you can prove ownership DOT isn't concerned but they are real police officers and can write tickets for any violations. And they aren't stupid, if it's not your boat they know you're not towing it for free. If you're being paid for fuel expenses, you're being paid for a service and they will put you out of service.

. If you're being paid for fuel expenses, you're being paid for a service and they will put you out of service. Paid for anything that has to do with receiving money you become commercial.
:thumbsup:
Unless its marked ALL trucks enter weight station you don't have to go in and with a boat 99% of the time they ain't going to come after you if you don't as long as its not a ship your hauling. :grin:
They can check your weight and again even if your pulled in at the weight stations and have to correct something they still can't flag you for a out of service violation if your not commercial and have things legal to hall the unit. Just wanted to make you guys understand hauling your own boat you are not under the 10 hour rules we are.
Later.........

Liveaboard,

I will let you argue with an office some day, although it will end up being a judge that you will have the argument with. Doesn't mean you will, but the more you drive the higher the chance that eventually something will happen.

The commercial rule typically is GCVW, gross combined truck and trailer of over 10,000.

As quoted to me by Maryland DOT officer.

If you read what I posted, first I said typically. That is not an absolute. on your considered commercial.
If its your own boat then that is a different story, most of the time.

Doesn't mean a rookie cop or one with a chip on his shoulder won't hassle you if he is in the mood.

I know another hauler who pulled into the weigh station .. they went thru him.. up and down.. tickets him for $2,600 for not having commodity insurance... he has GL and cargo insurance...later he called his insurance company. They had never heard of commodity insurance.. In order to leave the weight station he had to pay the fine

Also as you said, once your legal... as your suggesting your not driving away with the oversize load if you have the wrong vehicle... what do you think would happen if you did?

Someone mentioned straps... someone I know of was stopped by DOT.. got hit with ticket for straps being frayed... so keep an eye on them... for you own piece of mind mostly.

An officer typically can tell the difference between 8' 6" and 9'.. or a little more.. but nothing is illegal until you get caught!!

Can you tell which boat is oversized?

center photo would be my guess

Funny how someone jokes about the v's, but owns a single zuke! I think I'll stick with my pair! At least they painted them black, so you think you have a motor rather than a suped up weed eater!

Cold man, really cold....:grin:

Liveaboard,

I will let you argue with an officer some day, although it will end up being a judge that you will have the argument with. Doesn't mean you will, but the more you drive the higher the chance that eventually something will happen.

gslam

Have you seen Liveaboard's office, what he does for a living? ;?

gslam

Have you seen Liveaboard's office, what he does for a living? ;?


Fellow Key Piner, I don't think gslam88 knows that Livaeaboard is a professional truck driver.

By the way nice weather in Paradise.;)

Fellow Key Piner, .....By the way nice weather in Paradise.;)

Heh! Yeah, if those nice tropic temps don't get you, the gentle north breeze will. (Well, was a real hot summer, so guess we're due. I can stand the temps if the damn wind would just lay down.) Even Paradise isn't Paradise all the time. :grin:

No, I did not know Liveabord is an over the road driver.. .but then again.. you don't know what I do

No, I did not know Liveabord is an over the road driver.. .but then again.. you don't know what I do
Your new and wanted to say welcome to THT. Funnest/coolest place you can hang out that has to do with boating and lots of great information/ good guys on here also. .
Going to throw this at you for fun since you opened that door. :) The building with the blue on the top in the bottom photo. Lots of boats are sold on e bay out of Md and you mentioned Md DOT so remembering those photos I seen online you talking about MD, sparked the two together, and the place they sell them has a blue top and building thats shaped just like the one behind the photo. Little more to the right are the front doors where the photos are taken.
Just for fun, either you are a contractor that hauls the boats from time to time or you sell them/ work there . Hey, just a hunch, I'm I close in either one. ?? LOL
About a year to 18 months ago, Boat I saw on ebay, was a 25 to 27 baja wa single v rod on a bracket 275 or 300.. ???? Going for 3 for 3 here... LOL

Wow, I'm suprised my truck isnt in that pic. I passed him twice that day as well. My thoughts were also, wide load, over-rated.

For sake of argument. Other than DOT's hours of service regulations, medical, general safety regs, and a few others, individual states set there own rules and regulations as to weigh, height, and length requirements as long as they comply with the minimums required on federally funded highways. Some states require all buses, trucks, and towed vehicles to enter weigh stations and some only require commercial vehicles to enter. It is the same with gross weight, some states look at GCWR, a lot look at registered weight, and some use both. Some states require commercial tags on vehicles that meet or exceed 10,000 lbs, some use 26,000lbs, and at least couple will let you register as non-commercial in excess of 26,000lbs. Also, in most states RV,s fall under different rules. Drivers licenses fall in the mass of confusion. An example would be in Texas, like most states, you need a commercial license to operate a vehicle in excess of 26,000lbs, commercial or not, but in New Mexico you can get a class-e license that allows you to operate a non-commercial vehicle in excess of 26,000lbs with no training, no medical, same cost as a regular license, and all you have to do is ask. So when you start to argue about weights, licenses, or even oversize permits, just remember it is a State thing and there is no right or wrong. Now just think about an over the road driver, especially one that hauls oversize loads, and the rules and regs you have to remember. Also if you plan on towing a large boat, or any trailer, in a different state it is a good idea to check all of the states rules you plan on towing in.

speaking of different laws per state....would any of yall care to learn me the oversize regs for NC SC GA and FL since i will driving down from NC to FL in two weeks.....Just wondering if im too wide....9'4" beam????/

For sake of argument. Other than DOT's hours of service regulations, medical, general safety regs, and a few others, individual states set there own rules and regulations as to weigh, height, and length requirements as long as they comply with the minimums required on federally funded highways. Some states require all buses, trucks, and towed vehicles to enter weigh stations and some only require commercial vehicles to enter. It is the same with gross weight, some states look at GCWR, a lot look at registered weight, and some use both. Some states require commercial tags on vehicles that meet or exceed 10,000 lbs, some use 26,000lbs, and at least couple will let you register as non-commercial in excess of 26,000lbs. Also, in most states RV,s fall under different rules. Drivers licenses fall in the mass of confusion. An example would be in Texas, like most states, you need a commercial license to operate a vehicle in excess of 26,000lbs, commercial or not, but in New Mexico you can get a class-e license that allows you to operate a non-commercial vehicle in excess of 26,000lbs with no training, no medical, same cost as a regular license, and all you have to do is ask. So when you start to argue about weights, licenses, or even oversize permits, just remember it is a State thing and there is no right or wrong. Now just think about an over the road driver, especially one that hauls oversize loads, and the rules and regs you have to remember. Also if you plan on towing a large boat, or any trailer, in a different state it is a good idea to check all of the states rules you plan on towing in.That right much covers it right there. One thing on the weight stations, if the sign does not say. "All Trucks" must enter weight station and your pulling your own boat you do not have to go into them. Most will say all commercial units next right or something to that affect. Only when its stated "ALL" are you required to enter. 99% of you guys on here will never be commercial and hauling only your own boats so saves a lot of head aches. Like Hoing, if your helping a friend out and he's paying you back in fuel, ect, ect you don't have to tell everything. ;?;?:rofl: Just make sure you legal with what your hauling.
Quick funny note.
NM seems to be the route of all evil.
Before CDL's everyone running Calif had Vado NM driving license along with TX by the way, and we use those so tickets would not come back on your home state.
Stopped in Calif and handed the cop the NM plastic. He started laughing never looked up and ask me if I was going to pay the ticket. Of course I ask why. Still writting and had a smile on his face said,, cause I've wrote about 1500 tickets to po box 58 vado NM. Finished the ticket handed me back everything smiled and said, just pay the ticket and left.
Vado had a truck stop that would charge you 5 dollars for the letter. Thats how they made money on the truckers and we kept our NC license clean.

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Biggest thing the lower states look at is your tags, If your hauling it with a pick up truck make sure your weighted tags cover the total weight of both units. Truck and trailer. SUV changes things and you'll have to ask these guys on that one. I have a truck and don't know about that adventure. . :rofl::rofl:
NC has one scale on I-95 south of I-40 and you don't have to enter Just south of St Pauls NC. about the 22 mm.
SC had no scales on I-95 or no portable ones, don't worry about that one.
Ga you do not have to enter. There are in the rest area and commercial units only.
Fla will get you confused. First set as you cross the state line does not even affect you, its plants and food. You will see trucks going in but your ok. fly by,, second set about 4 miles down the road I'm not sure on that one and its been a long time since I've run Fla. If the sign does not say all trucks, don't worry about it. There not for you anyway.. :thumbsup:

I have FL tags and they arent weighted???? The boat will be registered in NC though... Probably gonna get stopped just for having different tags....hopefully military id will clear that up.... thanks for the reply..sorry to jack the thread...

I have FL tags and they arent weighted???? The boat will be registered in NC though... Probably gonna get stopped just for having different tags....hopefully military id will clear that up.... thanks for the reply..sorry to jack the thread...
You didn't. needed info. Anytime.. :thumbsup:

I've towed my 30' Monterey all over Florida. It's 10k lb, I tow it with an F250. I've had DOT, Police, Highway patrol drive right by me. Hasn't been a problem for 4 years. I tow very conservatively, huge distance between car in front and never over 50mph.

liveaboard74 other than CDL's New Mexico has not changed their procedures. Get a ticket there with an out of state license and pay it, they will not send a record back to your home state. Get a ticket in another state with a NM license and NM will not put it on their records.

liveaboard74 other than CDL's New Mexico has not changed their procedures. Get a ticket there with an out of state license and pay it, they will not send a record back to your home state. Get a ticket in another state with a NM license and NM will not put it on their records.:thumbsup:
If any of you are ever in vado, DO NOT pass that ex, (its only one) Best Mexican food in the world right there. Some times i want to go back west coast for the food. LOL

Liveaboard,

Actually the building with the blue roof is up in New England.
The front doors are in the middle of the picture basically. Local large dealer that I move some boats for, others are direct customers both nationally and international customer base. I don't sell.
I can't say if they are on Ebay.. probably.. they do ship internationally also.

Anything being hauled by someone else, if it's over 8' 6" beam legally needs oversize permits.
A good source of information is http://www.wideloadshipping.com

That's my boat. I am on my phone right now so I will type the whole story from my comp in the morning but it was a hired service and trust me he didn't tell us his rig was a Hummer.

That's my boat. I am on my phone right now so I will type the whole story from my comp in the morning but it was a hired service and trust me he didn't tell us his rig was a Hummer.

Wowsers.....CAN'T WAIT to hear the rest of this one!

'Hope it all turns out OK for you and your boat.

Yes, we would like to know the outcome and how many citations he got, if he told you.

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Thanks...
LUKE

Just be glad that wasn't the ncdmv, they are earning quite a reputation.

I have FL tags and they arent weighted???? The boat will be registered in NC though... Probably gonna get stopped just for having different tags....hopefully military id will clear that up.... thanks for the reply..sorry to jack the thread...

In most southern states a Police ID wont get you out of a ticket!

That's my boat. I am on my phone right now so I will type the whole story from my comp in the morning but it was a hired service and trust me he didn't tell us his rig was a Hummer.

Details....Please!

It shouldnt result in a ticket....the military ID is to let them know that my home of record is FL but because of military I live in NC......My FL drivers license has my NC address on it.......

speaking of different laws per state....would any of yall care to learn me the oversize regs for NC SC GA and FL since i will driving down from NC to FL in two weeks.....Just wondering if im too wide....9'4" beam????/


NC you don't need a permit up to 10'for a boat, you need amber lights at each corner. SC, GA, and FL you need permits signs and flags and all have sunrise to sunset rules in effect. Check each states DOT website for hauling permits, they're inexpensive for single trip permits.
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread answering your question.

Give them another year or two, it will be cheaper to drive it down the ICW...
Lot more fun anyway. :)

That's my boat. I am on my phone right now so I will type the whole story from my comp in the morning but it was a hired service and trust me he didn't tell us his rig was a Hummer.

OK... find your computer and tell us the story!!

Five pages of speculation drives me crazy.

Ok.. what is the story??

OK, fess up. Is this person on here? I-75 near Naples, Wed morning. How much did that ticket run? :o

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To all that want to know I did this boat and every one is wrong the dum lee county sheriff was thing the boat was stolen!!
Dot got two tickets for no sings on the door he frayed to call this a commercial truck I think he needs glassas the cop called DOT and US Customs when it was not stolen he jump to smugaling they where all Wrong,,,,,, I was sitting ther for 4hrs whale they play for all talking about the H2 it's a1T truck that will pull the same as a f350 I. I use a F550 to bring it from CT and was only towing it from Fort Myers to dania FL , I got followed by two State trupers for another 2nd after this and wham I got to mile marker 50 Naples police stop me one more time when I told them thet where to late they just crack up and took off

I have a headache from reading that.....any chance u can use spellcheck?

Just a couple of comments on this deal,
1. just had a guy next to me tell me to pull off was about to loose my trailer pulled over and hitch weld had pulled apart at seam crazy !!! Lucky I had someone tell me, got biggest hitch They have available at local trailer shop now !!!!
2. Heading back from keys took us41 back and was stopped by leo's checking more stolen boats, and also been told must have straps on trailer so could been one of many things ...

3. I agree truck looks a little light for hauling even going to boat show

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!No weld penetration whatsoever!!!! I believe I'll go look at mine right now!
You would think a trailer hitch would have to go through some kinda inspection process....Thats just CRAZY!!!!!

I did this boat they had me there for 4hrs whale Customs figured out it was not Stolen!! on the way to Dania i got Followed My a State Trooper for 20 mils he stop and waited on the side of the road and then followed me one more time for 15Min when i got to the Indians on Mile marker 50 two Naples Police where waiting for me out side when i told them the story about the first time i got stop they just smiled and took off this boat came from CT in my F550 i was only towing to to Dania in the H2 www.SWFloridaTransporter.com

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I have no idea what you just said but it looks like you are a towing company and after towing someone's boat with a F550 you switched it to towing it with an H2 and then post a link advertising for you towing service?
I hope I'm wrong but that's not a good way to get business.

bayou

Don't quite get your point (or your math) here. How much does a semi tractor weigh, and how long is it, compared with a loaded-to-gross max-length trailer? No tractor weighs even close to 50% of the trailer (loaded) weight. As somebody wrote way early in this thread, the main stopping power is always going to come from the trailer brakes.


exactly-- the company i work for hauls loads in excess of 300k with a truck that weighs 30k.. But the trailer has 20 axles..

I'm not trying to figure out how a 2010 threat gets bumped up like this... :mad:not withstanding it's so darn interesting. Can't wait six months to find out what happened to the upside down Donzi:banghead::banghead::banghead:

A quick search of the intardnet shows the H2's max towing capacity varies between 6k and 8k lbs depending on model year. No way that boat and trailer is under 8k lbs.

Some unknowing nitwit I could almost see trying to pull something like this off, but a commercial tower? Really?

-T

I have a headache from reading that.....any chance u can use spellcheck?

x2 :rofl:

C'mon guys, give the guy a break. It sounds like he's eastern euro. I don't know how well I'd do posting on a website over there. It's pretty interesting to find out the true story though.

I have no idea what you just said but it looks like you are a towing company and after towing someone's boat with a F550 you switched it to towing it with an H2 and then post a link advertising for you towing service?
I hope I'm wrong but that's not a good way to get business.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


He's already lying. Don't they usually take your money first and then lie?

Appears to be a true story!

http://www.swfloridatransporter.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=119843107

How much does that boat + trailer weigh, anyway?

We have a lot of people running to Cuba around here. She looks like a possible human smuggling boat.