Marine Electronics Forum - Fujinon Stabilized Binocular Review 14 X 40

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SailFishQuepos
09-23-2010, 04:42 PM
I just got a new pair of the Fujinon Stabilized Binoculares off of Ebay and spent about 1150 after shipping. Before I bought them I couldn't find any current articles on here or anywhere else of people who had them so I thought we need to fix that!

I use them from the tower driving station while the boat is on Autopilot and they are crazy effective. In the past where I can just see a boat on the horizon, now I can identify who it is and if they're moving. Helps alot to know whether it is a long liner putting out line or if it is another sport-fisher on the fish. You can pick out birds really well on the horizon where it would be impossible otherwise. It's kind of fun, because I think my mate has the best eyes for spotting stuff of anyone I've been around and now it's no contest. The first day out, before I even left the dock, I could see Bonito jumping at 2 miles away while I was waiting on the customers. In addition, they don't burn batteries like I thought. I use them off and on so it's hard to say how long the batteries last, but I make it through the full day with good batteries and just recharge them at night for good measure. The first day out I brought 12 batteries thinking they would burn them fast and that isn't the case.

The case is freaking awesome. They come with a pelican hard case and it's awesome. Enough said.

I spent forever researching them before I bought them and I found these have 5 degrees of stabilization where the canons only had one degree. Obviously 1 degree wouldn't work in the tower in even flat weather. They take 48mm camera filters if you want a UV filter or polarized filter to save your eyes. The polarized filter is a little dark, and if you don't give everything time to heat up they fog really bad. i have to let the lenses heat up (after being at the house in the AC) or they instantly fog and you can't see anything. If you don't use a filter, fogging isn't too big of an issue after you figure out to keep your eyes a little off of the eyepieces.

They do make me a little bit seasick, but it's minimal. That says alot though as we fish 220+ days a year, and that doesn't include the days off which are usually spent in at least some part on the boat. I hasn't gone away yet, but I haven't had many trips with these yet so hopefully that will go away.

In short, if you want to find more fish, use these. On my last trip, they turned what could have been a 0 afternoon into a 13 Dorado and 5 Wahoo afternoon. I pretty much can always find something each trip with them, and won't be out on the water again without them. Two Thumbs Up!


http://www.queposfishadventure.com/fujinon.jpg


tunaluvr
09-24-2010, 01:51 AM
If you really want to get blown away, you need to get the stabiscope from Fujinon. This is the true stabilization binoculars.

SailFishQuepos
09-24-2010, 06:03 AM
Have you used both pairs? I read that they are almost the same but the stabiscope are the version that Fuji sells to the government and that they are just more expensive because the government doesn't price shop. I even read somewhere that a guy had both and that the ones I bought worked better (he said scopes only had 3 degrees of correction as opposed to 5 like my pair). That is just hearsay though, I haven't used both. I'd love input if you have, I may have to start saving!!! :)


LI32
09-24-2010, 06:26 AM
They are nice. I have a st of the 12x32's, which have 3 degrees +/-, and have never had an issue with stabilization. I liked the 14x40's, but the 12x32's were only $700, and was concerned that it would be a waste of $1,150 for the 14x42's. There is a huge jump in what you can see going from 7x50's to 12x or 14x units.

As for the 16x40 Fujinon gyro's, they are not the military version of what the OP bought, but different technology. I haven't had the chance to play with them as no one seems to stock them. They retail for $5,500 - ouch.

SailFishQuepos
09-24-2010, 06:38 AM
Wow, that's a big price difference. I have found a complaint with my binocs though. Why don't they put a compass in them. It would be easier if they had a compass so I would know what heading to point the boat. i mean, I can get it pretty close, but exact is always more fun. I read there are lots of custom IS binocs out there, have you tried any that had a compass?

Birdman
09-24-2010, 07:01 AM
The Fuji and Nikon 14x40's are the same Binocs. I have the Nikons, AWESOME!! There is a TON of info about them on the forum already:

Search term "Stabilized + Birdman":
http://www.thehulltruth.com/search.php?searchid=2630401


Examples:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/264377-open-array-vs-dome.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/225087-radar-recommendation.html


http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/22215-stabilized-binoculars.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/194015-raymarine-10kw-tuna-birds.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/78557-binoculars.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-electronics-forum/252705-binoculars.html

Birdman
09-24-2010, 07:04 AM
Regarding the batteries, I use 1 set of batteries per season. They last me from April to Dec.

doughnut
09-24-2010, 08:06 AM
They are great bynos, not fair to compare to a true gyro.

Birdman
09-24-2010, 08:08 AM
They DO have a gyro. The cheaper Cannons do NOT have the gyro.

SailFishQuepos
09-24-2010, 11:39 AM
Yeah, i couldn't see them being anymore stable. They don't move at all, so no matter how much more you pay, the view isn't getting any more stable.

SailFishQuepos
09-24-2010, 11:40 AM
Oh and thanks for all the links, that made for great reading material. Shame that some of the radar screen pics were taken down, I would have enjoyed seeing those.

First Light
09-24-2010, 05:58 PM
They DO have a gyro. The cheaper Cannons do NOT have the gyro.

While there is no comparison of the Fujinon's Techno-Stabi 14 x 40's that SailFishQuepos bought, to Canon's stabilized binoculars, the Fujinon 14 x 40's do not have an internal gyro. The Fujinon 14 x 40's are electronically stabilized - but Fuji uses a much different electronic stabilization process than Canon, which is why the Fujinon stabilization is so noticeably better than the electronic stabilization process Canon use's.

Fujinon's more expensive models that start at around $5,000 and go all the way to +/- $20,000 do have an internal gyro. The higher prices ones are carried on the Space Shuttle.

SailFishQuepos
09-24-2010, 09:06 PM
Now you made me go and do more research. There is a 5000 pair of stabi scopes and they do have a gyro as these have electric motors. The more expensive paris are the night vision add ons and won't do us much good fishing. Man, I bet the gyro ones are awesome, anybody have a review of them?

First Light
09-25-2010, 02:49 PM
I did a comparison test about 15 years ago with (1)Fujinon 14 x 40 Techno-Stabi's, (2) Nikon's 14 x 40 StabilEyes, and (3) Canon's (can not remember the model number), in bouncy seas' (ie. 12-15 kt wind and 3-4 ft chop, plus a swell) off of Cabo. In spite of the fact that the Nikon's are made by Fuji (as mentioned above), the Fujinon 14 x 40's were without question the best of the three, with the Nikon's next, and then the Canon's.

I've handled a pair of the more expensive Fuji's with the built in gyro on a boat in a marina which does not count, and can only say that they looked impressive. I've also held a pair of the top of the line +/- $20,000 ones in my hands in a store and they were definitely impressive, but they were 50% or so larger than the 14 x 40's, and maybe overkill . . . . . . . . .

SailFishQuepos
09-25-2010, 02:56 PM
Is there a better stabilized pair than the 5K stabliscopes, or is that just with nightvision included?

C Skip R
09-25-2010, 06:06 PM
Ive had the 14x40 fuji for a little over a year. They are fantastic and as you said you can pick up birds easily 2-3 miles away.

musella
09-26-2010, 03:29 PM
I wonder if it would just be easier to have a stabilized video camera displaying it's image on your multifunction display? I find looking through binoculars tiring to my eyes.. look at the video at
FLIR (http://www.flir.com/cvs/eurasia/en/content/?id=26616) Near the end it shows how good the gyroscope works, and you can see birds... I don't know how much it costs, but if hand held binocs are $20,000, this is probably a good alternative and easier to use.

SailFishQuepos
09-26-2010, 03:58 PM
The Flir Voyager 2 system, which has a 48 power zoom and is the one in the video, sells for a sweet 80K, so i think my $1150 were a better deal. Don't get my wrong, i would love to have one! You could even see birds at night with this one... Here's a quote which also takes me out of the game
"these cameras are FLIR’s nitrogen-cooled imaging units, like the SeaFLIR whose practical zoom is limited only by the curvature of the earth. Due to these units’ high level of technology, the U.S. Department of State places the same export restriction on this item as it does on Hellfire missiles. That means that if you install a SeaFLIR on your vessel, you’re banned from visiting certain ports."

Check out more info here (http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/electronics/night_eyes/)

Birdman
09-26-2010, 10:10 PM
Ok, lets clear some thiongs up here to keep it REAL:

1. The Fuji and Nikons are the EXACT SAME binocs. Come out the SAME EXACT essembly line with SAME EXACT components. One is not better than the other. They are one in the same.

2. They DO have a Gyro. Yes, it is an electronic gyro, just like the Gyro on the Autop Pilot units. It's basically a little tiny chip, and it dopes spin up as you can hear it when you turn them on.

SailFishQuepos
09-27-2010, 05:56 AM
Yeah, I have to agree. I can hear it spin up when I turn them on and you can feel it spin up as well.

Franco2boat
09-27-2010, 06:03 AM
For those of us on a limited boat budget, don't sell those Canon's too short. Of course you get what you pay for, still for the weekend boater, I love the Canon Stabilized bino's on my little 21 footer. I got mine for $360 bucks on sale. That's a long way from 5 grand. I use mine to pick out Bouy numbers.


KKKKFL

SailFishQuepos
09-27-2010, 06:37 AM
yeah, but the binoculars I was reviewing are only 1150, still a lot more, but the ones for 1150 are super awesome as well. Glad you enjoy the canons!

Birdman
09-28-2010, 02:22 PM
I paid $950 for my Nikon 14x40's at a boat show (on sale). $950 compared to $400 is only twice as much, yet you are going from 0.5% correction (Cannon) to 5.0% correction (Nikon/Fuji). That is a 10 fold difference!! BIG difference. Well worht the extra cash.

If you only have or want to only spend the $400, then I'd suggest getting a pair of Steiner's, non-sabilized, but amazing optics.

southatlantic
09-29-2010, 03:14 PM
Ok, lets clear some thiongs up here to keep it REAL:

1. The Fuji and Nikons are the EXACT SAME binocs. Come out the SAME EXACT essembly line with SAME EXACT components. One is not better than the other. They are one in the same.

2. They DO have a Gyro. Yes, it is an electronic gyro, just like the Gyro on the Autop Pilot units. It's basically a little tiny chip, and it dopes spin up as you can hear it when you turn them on.


The Fujinons and Nikons may come from the same assembly line and most of the components are the same, but they are not the same exact binocs.
The Nikon 14x40 has two extra buttons and LEDs, to select between Land stabilization (read less stabilization) and Sea stabilization. This is quite annoying, as "land " is the default (I guess they were trying to save battery power) and it is difficult to see which of the tiny LEDs are on when out in the sun. So, given a choice, I would recommend the Fujinons. I have a Nikon and I also found the contacts in the battery compartment very fragile, two have broken off already. Unfortunately, that part is the same in the Fujinons... Also, in mine I have had trouble with the on/off button (often cannot turn it off except by removing the batteries). :mad:
Maybe I got a "Monday morning lemon". I would guess that the $4k-$5k gyrostabilized model is more robust. But I also heard that they take a little longer to "warm up", as the gyros need to reach their proper speed before the stabilization kicks in. Oh well, I guess all binocs, like boats, are compromises.

Birdman
09-29-2010, 04:45 PM
The Land/MArine button is not to save battery power. If you are only moving/shaking very little, the full blast stabilization can be too much, and makes the entire view move around, selecting land fixes that. But on boats, it's a waste of time 99% of the time. ;)

southatlantic
09-30-2010, 04:56 AM
Thanks, Birdman, that makes sense. Since we are talking primarily marine use, I think you would agree that the Fujinons have that minor advantage over the Nikons.

jzd
09-30-2010, 05:26 AM
i took a chance and saved a bunch of coin going with these reman nikons. did have some trouble as the first pair did not work properly. called scope stop and they send out another pair the same day along with a return shipping sticker...excellent service. second pair work flawlessly, could not be happier.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIKON-14X40-STABILEYES-14X40-STABILIZED-BINOCULAR-7457-/370425745354?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563f184fca

Birdman
09-30-2010, 08:13 AM
Thanks, Birdman, that makes sense. Since we are talking primarily marine use, I think you would agree that the Fujinons have that minor advantage over the Nikons.

Not really. When I take them off the boat to the beach to check out the "beach animals" :grin: the "Land" setting comes in very usefull. I would include that under the "Marine Use".


But I do agree they should have defaulted the Land/Marine setting to Marine.

.

southatlantic
09-30-2010, 09:35 AM
Not really. When I take them off the boat to the beach to check out the "beach animals" :grin: the "Land" setting comes in very usefull. I would include that under the "Marine Use".


But I do agree they should have defaulted the Land/Marine setting to Marine.

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But I do that from the boat, so need the marine setting!!:rofl:

PROFINITY
09-30-2010, 09:58 AM
For those NOT on a budget...

Fraser-Volpe

240 LTS
09-30-2010, 12:47 PM
You guys in the know, can you sum up what you recommend in a few price ranges. Adjust the price ranges as you wish. It is just a starting point.
Thanks,


0- $300.00
$300.00- $600.00
$600.00- $1000.00
$1000.00- $5000.00

After that, price is not a concern. I have no plans to go to go on the space shuttle any time soon.

Birdman
09-30-2010, 01:06 PM
0- $300.00 = Anything you like. Check sales at West Marine they have once in a while for the non-fogging marine binocs for $199...

$300.00- $600.00 = Steiners, non-stabilized but amazing optics

$600.00- $1000.00 = Nikon or Fuji 14x40 Stabilized binocs at yoru local boat show, or check binoculars.com for sale prices. I paid $900 or $950 for mine.


$1000.00- $5000.00 = Forget binocs, get yourself a new small used center console, a new chartplotter, or a high priced vegas hooker!! :grin:

BACKTOTHESEA
09-30-2010, 03:06 PM
Well, this thread reminded me that I need a new pair of binocs. Just got my first installment of a retention bonus so I'm treating myself to the Fujinon's. I look forward to writing my own report. I hope they meet up to my expectations on my 26' CC.

240 LTS
09-30-2010, 04:38 PM
0- $300.00 = Anything you like. Check sales at West Marine they have once in a while for the non-fogging marine binocs for $199...

$300.00- $600.00 = Steiners, non-stabilized but amazing optics

$600.00- $1000.00 = Nikon or Fuji 14x40 Stabilized binocs at yoru local boat show, or check binoculars.com for sale prices. I paid $900 or $950 for mine.


$1000.00- $5000.00 = Forget binocs, get yourself a new small used center console, a new chartplotter, or a high priced vegas hooker!! :grin:

Hooker you say.............Mmmmmmmmmmm..........










:grin:

JBG
10-04-2010, 11:33 AM
I have both the techno stabis (14x40) and the high end stabiscopes. For the money, you cannot beat the techno stabis. The stabiscopes, however, are on a completely different level.

SailFishQuepos
10-04-2010, 11:38 AM
Which stabiscope? Do you have the 16 power?

JBG
10-04-2010, 11:46 AM
Which stabiscope? Do you have the 16 power?

I have the 12s and the older 14s (they used to make the stabiscopes in 10, 12 and 14). Now they're in 12 and 16.



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