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Mr. Hand
08-23-2010, 02:31 PM
Looking at possibly purchasing a World Cat 266 w/ 130 Hondas on it...Looking for some idea of what could be expected in performance (or lack there of). Boat/power is 01 yr model. I have only seen a few around with this power option. Anybody have any idea of what sort of speed and fuel economy might be expected?


abaco24
08-23-2010, 08:13 PM
Just curious, is your name in reference to the 80's movie with Spicoli (Fast Times)

I'm also looking at the WC 26 but would like twin 150-175-200's on the back. Honda 225 if it could handle them, haven't looked up the max HP on the WC 26

v70cat
08-23-2010, 08:20 PM
The boat is under powered with 130's. The 26 was not rated for 225's and the transom will need to reinforced.

This looks like a deal http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/238665-world-cat-266-sc.html


abaco24
08-23-2010, 08:34 PM
The boat is under powered with 130's. The 26 was not rated for 225's and the transom will need to reinforced.

This looks like a deal http://www.thehulltruth.com/boats-sale-wanted/238665-world-cat-266-sc.html

So 200 X 2 (400) is the max on a WC 26 without any mods?

What's the top end average (ice, gas, people etc) which I know is a big variable?

v70cat
08-23-2010, 08:52 PM
So 200 X 2 (400) is the max on a WC 26 without any mods?

What's the top end average (ice, gas, people etc) which I know is a big variable?


Not sure on max HP.

Top end on 270 with 225's is 50 plus

http://www.worldcat.com/boats/dual_consoles/270SD/270SD-Sport-Deck_prop.php

abaco24
08-23-2010, 08:59 PM
One foot difference, I'd think the WC 26 could handle 225's then, but it's not on the website, only the 27 CC.

v70cat
08-23-2010, 09:05 PM
26 & 27 are the same hull. The 27 has a anchor pulpit that makes it longer.

obow
08-23-2010, 09:29 PM
I have a 98 266SC that had 1999 175 Evinrudes. Max hp on my 98 is 400 hp. I re powered last year with 175 Etecs. because I got a great deal on a pair of used 98 motors. 130's on a 266 is way under powered especially if its a SC as they are bow heavy. Even with 150's your still under powered. I wouldn't go with anything less then 175's. As far as top end speeds the difference between the 175's and 200's is not enough to warrant the extra cost. First thing is how often do sea conditions allow you to run wide open and secondly you'll burn a hell of a lot more fuel. I run between 4000-4500 rpm and on a nice day do about 35 mph. We just did a over night canyon trip Sat and the round trip was 210 miles. We hit some nasty weather on the way back with 5-6 footers and a following sea but still averaged 21 kits. With 130's you will never get that boat to get up on a good plane and have a bad time running in large seas.. I average 1.3 to 1.5 gph running @ 4000-4500 rpm. Don't buy a boat thats under powered you will never be happy with it. Theres some great deals out there with the market the way it is. Take you time and get what you want. IMO
Larry

bms1939
08-23-2010, 09:34 PM
With 130's it will top out around 30 knots. If you wanted Honda's you had to deal with the 130's I think untill 2002. Most of the 226 SF models I've seen in the 99-02 range have had the 130 Honda's. I fished on a 99 for quite a few years, other than being a little slow on top it was a great boat.

Mr. Hand
08-23-2010, 10:00 PM
thanks for the input guys. I found somebody on the WC forum that had some performance specs on a 266SF w/ 130 Hondas in question. They claimed 4000RPM = 12gph @24mph. 4500=15gph @28mph, and WOT 5500RPM at 36mph. This seem reasonable? 28mph I could live with if I had to, 24mph would be a deal killer for me.

As for the repower options.. I had the same question for Scott at WC.. I was told by WC that they made a design change in 02 to acomodate the newer, heavier big block 4 strokes, and that they strongly recomend against repowering with big block 4 strokes on a pre- design change hull.

Mr. Hand
08-23-2010, 10:00 PM
forgot to mention... Yes, Mr. Hand is in ref to Fast Times... Being an 80s movie buff and a surfer, I had to go with it.

Jonesy23
08-24-2010, 04:09 AM
got pm, thanks.

pjc
08-24-2010, 12:51 PM
As for the repower options.. I had the same question for Scott at WC.. I was told by WC that they made a design change in 02 to acomodate the newer, heavier big block 4 strokes, and that they strongly recomend against repowering with big block 4 strokes on a pre- design change hull.

They will sell you the aluminum brackets for about $1,100 bucks which will allow you to put 4 strokes on but max hp is still 200 on the 266.

pjc
08-24-2010, 12:55 PM
One foot difference, I'd think the WC 26 could handle 225's then, but it's not on the website, only the 27 CC.

The 26 is actually 26'-6". As v70 said they are the same hull, except the pulpit is now molded on the 270 (adding the additional 6") and on the 266 is was an aluminum attachment.

First Light
08-24-2010, 02:39 PM
This may help - here are the approximate engine weights to consider on that boat:

Existing Honda 130's = +/- 425 lbs (these engines are no longer in production)

Yamaha 150-175hp = +/- 470 lbs

Suzuki 150-175hp = +/- 485 lbs

Etec 150-200hp = +/- 430 lbs

pjc
08-24-2010, 02:48 PM
If its any conselation the old man that was the original owner of my boat bought it with honda 130's and repowered it the next year with 200 optimax's. As far as weight is concerned according to WC the SC is only 400 lbs more than the SF.

I personally wouldn't be happy with the 130's at all, but on the same token someone like my dad would probably be ok. It will also depend on how long of runs you have to make.

With my optis I get up to 2mpg cruising with a light load.

Mr. Hand
08-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Thanks for the info... anybody know where to get a good pair of low hour Optimax, HPDIs, or Etechs?

v70cat
08-28-2010, 05:55 AM
Given the weak economy and the impact on used boat prices, used boat with 5+/- year old power will cost less than a ten year old hill that needs new power.

Onewolf
08-28-2010, 06:42 AM
This may help - here are the approximate engine weights to consider on that boat:

Existing Honda 130's = +/- 425 lbs (these engines are no longer in production)

Yamaha 150-175hp = +/- 470 lbs

Suzuki 150-175hp = +/- 485 lbs

Etec 150-200hp = +/- 430 lbs

Specifications for original Honda 130 25" shaft show dry weight of 503 lbs. I test drove a World Cat 266SF with Honda 130s back when I was shopping for a World Cat and it was a total DOG. 4500RPM=26MPH WOT=35 MPH.

Mr. Hand
08-28-2010, 08:06 AM
I have come to the realization that if we move forward on this ride, we will most definately have to re-power.

That being said... Are there any super discount online places to get "left over" outboards anymore? Last motor I bought was a 225 OX66.. motor was a brand new 03 that we bought in 05 from Ed's for $7500 or so... I know the days of that kind of pricing are done, but what is the best "bang for the buck" outfit these days?

Also... What do you think FMV for a pair of 2001 500hr Honda 130's in good mechanical, but poor to average cosmetic condition... props, rigging and controls would come with the motors...??

liveaboard74
08-28-2010, 08:27 AM
thanks for the input guys. I found somebody on the WC forum that had some performance specs on a 266SF w/ 130 Hondas in question. They claimed 4000RPM = 12gph @24mph. 4500=15gph @28mph, and WOT 5500RPM at 36mph. This seem reasonable? 28mph I could live with if I had to, 24mph would be a deal killer for me.

As for the repower options.. I had the same question for Scott at WC.. I was told by WC that they made a design change in 02 to acomodate the newer, heavier big block 4 strokes, and that they strongly recomend against repowering with big block 4 strokes on a pre- design change hull.
Those number are about on the mark. DR Cooper from Elizabeth City has a 25GB wiht twin 135's on the back and he cruses about 31 to 32 mph. Its a 25 foot cat but if west marine makes it its on that boat and its heavy to start with. He gets really good fuel millage. LIke 2.5 while he's running and according to him its about 2 all over.
He also has a sea kat WA cat for sale. 25 foot with twin 135s he bought used and had one of the boat builders in Edenton NC go through it for his son then his son decided he didn't like owning when he could go with dad. LOL
That boat can be had for about 18500
With my old 23.5 inboard trophy fast cruse was 28mph and Larry could run a little faster than I wanted to push mine making the 4 barrel come in so know his would do 30 to 31 or 2 on cruse.

Bullshipper
08-28-2010, 01:05 PM
The 266 is not a very good hull as itds a little top heavy and is hard to keep on a straight line. These were the main reasons it was discontinued, replaced by the 270. I would not repower one unless it was engineless and I go the hull and trailer for around $13K and under.

1NO REGRETS
08-28-2010, 01:19 PM
Bullshipper, 266 and 270 same boat.The 246 was discontinued as a center console only.Still is a 250 dual console.Model # changes not hulls.Just clarifying.......



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