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jaybr
06-27-2010, 09:08 AM
I purchased my first saltwater fishing boat last September, and after 9 months of fishing around the area I've realized that I purchased the wrong style boat. I'm sure I'm not the first that has done this, and now looking to trade. My boat is a 2008 Sailfish 2100BB that I purchased new as a leftover. While it's a great boat, I've realized that I'd rather fish big water than the rivers and inlets. The other challenge I've got is that I need a console with a porta-potti for my wife and daughter. Fishing the rivers and such I'm close to shore if they need to run back, but out at the 4th island of the CBBT is too far to run back. Didn't think they'd want to go out with me much, but they've seen how much fun I'm having and now want to get in on the action.

So now for the new boat, I'm looking for something in the 23-24' range and don't really need twins. My fishing will be 70% lower Chesapeake bay and near shore, 20% tidal rivers, 10% relatively close offshore ( maybe hit a wreck once in awhile or chase cobia in the spring off Hatteras). I do a lot of drift fishing (flounder) and anchored fishing (drum, cobia, etc) so stability on drift is important. I'm looking for something that will handle the chop of the Chesapeake well, and be stable when anchored or drifting, something with a good balance of both. I know the 24* deadrise boats will handle the rough water best, but also rock and roll quite a bit at drift.

My dealer (who I really like) carries Cobia, Sailfish, Tidewater as well as Edgewater which is out of my price range. He's offered me a fair trade in on my boat, and I'm sure will make a good deal on a new boat but he has nothing in stock so the deal will only be so good.

I've found leftover 09 Cobia's that fit my budget, and a leftover 08 Key west that I'm fairly sure will be priced well (but it's the SS model). I'm pretty sure the Tidewater would be in my budget as well.

I've heard great things about Cobia since Maverick took them over, really like the layout and features, but I've not seen one in person.

Looked hard at a Tidewater last year, and while it appeared to be a well built boat the hardware and trim did not appear to be as nice as the Sailfish.

I've also looked as Key West and know they are well regarded here, the boat I'm interested in is the 2300ss. Is there ample room in the console for a porta-potti and is it usable?

Sailfish 2360 is also on my list, but none within my current budget. Also found a leftover 08 Scout 242 that is priced similar to the Sailfish. I could wait a couple months, sell my boat outright, and swing the Sailfish if that's the best choice.

There are plenty of nice used boats in my budget, but with new leftovers being only slightly higher price and in some cases =, and the fact that I can potentially trade mine in, I'd rather go that route.

So what are your thoughts on the Cobia, Key West, and Tidewater? How do they compare fit and finish wise to my Sailfish?

And before anyone jumps in and tells me I need to look at Sea Hunt, I'm familiar with them and their low on my list mainly because my local dealer is Ed's Marine and I wouldn't want to deal with them after the purchase.


jaybr
06-28-2010, 09:45 AM
No Comments on these boats?

A Few Dollars
06-28-2010, 09:53 AM
KW


1chance
06-28-2010, 09:56 AM
Just my .02, but I like the Cobia 237. I like all of the features this 23' has.

Spooled
06-28-2010, 10:42 AM
I have the 2002 Version of the KW 2300cc

CC access is ok-console is not as large Height wise as the sailfish 236 which both of my brothers have owned so is smaller.

The sailfish rides better than the KW but rocks more and is wetter

The sailfish feels bigger-KW counts the pulpit in LOA

I primarily drift fish and anchor near shore up to 25 miles in Ocean

I prefer my eurotransom setup to the sailfish-gravity drain overboard insulated fishbox but it does rob cockpit space. Livewell is in leaning post and works off Y valve with SW washdown.

Also sailfish freeboard is higher so harder to reach over and midships the the liner angles outward so have sensation of falling out.

Fit Finish about the same-only issues i have had are
Trimtab rocker switch(covered by bennet(tabman
gelcoat chips(rather easily)
power to ebox light on the wire guage(replaced by me)
Fusepanel in E Box(replaced by me)
Plastic anchor opener broke by me


Not to bad for a boat with 558 hours launched in may 2003 and wetslipped april-dec in the Noreast

If I was more an offshore guy and trolled the sailfish is the wat to go

Both are a pain to be up front and cast on the forward seating-sailfish rocking and KW not enough kneebracing height


any other ? let me know

OldPete
06-28-2010, 11:17 AM
Of those choices? KW. However... Sea Hunt would be my real choice. :D

LoveTheSea
06-28-2010, 11:24 AM
I considered the Cobia 237. Very inexpensive but I did not like the way the boat carries its beam too far forward which will impact ride greatly. I also did not like how thin the sides were. When I banged the sides with my fist the boat seemed very light. Inside the console the wall facing the console was as cheap as it could be. The in-floor fish boxes were way too small and a fraction of what was advertised. The 237's were asking around $45K and I am sure you could get them for way less. Check the motors. They had the F250 (circa 2006-2007), not the newer F250B which has major upgrades in the electronic control. You can tell because the F250B control has an LED on below the throttle with the words "active".

Why limit yourself to only the boats sold by your dealer????

sweendog
06-28-2010, 11:55 AM
If it's between Cobia, Key West and Tidewater I would go with the KW.

ctackle
06-28-2010, 12:48 PM
Cobia is now owned by Maverick which has an excellent reputation. I would seriously consider a Cobia.

jaybr
06-28-2010, 12:55 PM
Why limit yourself to only the boats sold by your dealer????

I'm not limiting myself to only boats sold by one dealer, but would like something with dealer support not too far away. What I'm really looking for is a 23' or larger center console with seating and a console large enough for porta-potti, for under 55k.

I've found leftover 09 Cobia's that fit my budget and I'm assuming I can get a Tidewater for that. I've never looked at a Cobia in person, but when shopping last year I did look at Sea Hunt, Maycraft, Tidewater, Key West, Sea Chaser. The Key West looked to be on par with Sailfish, the others looked fine but not as nicely finished.

I know there are plenty of nice used boats out there in my budget, and I may end up going that route, but first choice would be to find a model year leftover new with warranties.

izalost
06-28-2010, 01:11 PM
Dealer support is important. I like the Key West but, wish you had more choices.

jaybr
06-28-2010, 01:36 PM
Dealer support is important. I like the Key West but, wish you had more choices.

What would you reccomend in this category? My current dealer is 2.5 hours away and I know there are a lot of dealers in the VA Beach area where I do most of my boating. Triton, Parker, BW, Kencraft?

RedSoxMan
06-28-2010, 01:45 PM
KW

izalost
06-28-2010, 01:55 PM
What would you reccomend in this category? My current dealer is 2.5 hours away and I know there are a lot of dealers in the VA Beach area where I do most of my boating. Triton, Parker, BW, Kencraft?


If you had the money I'd say BW but, from what you mentioned earlier I'd go Triton than Parker (don't know Kencraft).

RedSoxMan
06-28-2010, 02:03 PM
As Pete says, I'd also check out Sea Hunt -- they offer great value on their new boats. Good dealers down there, too. Get a price quote from Ed's Marine for one of their packages... and then shop around and see if anyone can match it.

RSM

LoveTheSea
06-28-2010, 03:47 PM
I'm not limiting myself to only boats sold by one dealer, but would like something with dealer support not too far away. What I'm really looking for is a 23' or larger center console with seating and a console large enough for porta-potti, for under 55k.

My boat was under your budget and fully loaded with mooring cover and aluminum/stainless tandem brake trailer. The fit and finish is far superior to those boats you listed. I went 900 miles away to get an incredible deal. Every Yamaha dealer in my area will service me and honor the 5-year warranty that was included in the deal. I have talked to Everglades many times and I am comfortable that the factory will back me up.

I am not trying to push Everglades. I am proof that you can get a great boat under your stated budget if you are willing to step outside your area.

Ben

jaybr
06-28-2010, 03:56 PM
My boat was under your budget and fully loaded with mooring cover and aluminum/stainless tandem brake trailer. The fit and finish is far superior to those boats you listed. I went 900 miles away to get an incredible deal. Every Yamaha dealer in my area will service me and honor the 5-year warranty that was included in the deal. I have talked to Everglades many times and I am comfortable that the factory will back me up.

I am not trying to push Everglades. I am proof that you can get a great boat under your stated budget if you are willing to step outside your area.

Ben

No need to push, I'd love to find an Everglades in my price range. My sailfish dealer carries them, but has none in stock in the size range I'm after. Crawled all over a 35' with tripple 350's this weekend and my wife really liked that one.:o

wiredawg
06-28-2010, 05:53 PM
I own an 07 KW 23 SS with twin 115 etecs, and I keep it at little creek navy base. It is a good boat and I bought it new back in 07 for $44K (boat motors alum trailer) + electronics. It is good for your mentioned fishing habits. However this is my second boat and I am already dreaming of going even bigger (26' WA or 28' Ex boat), since I have the offshore bug baddddd. My boat will run 50Mph boat with 4 blade SS props, 53-55 with 3 blade SS props (1/2 fuel 2 people). With a full load 4 people fuel and gear I can get close too 45Mph (4 blade ss props).

Things I like:
Twins
Fuel capacity
over all finish (except anchor locker hatch)

Things I dislike:
Not enough Deadrise for my style of fishing
SS console too small for flush mounted electronics (go with the normal 23 vs SS model)
vinyl is already wearing thru on seats
Battery layout (under the rear deck, I added a house battery in the console)
rear bech seat since a buddy bent the supports

Over all the ride is ok for the lower bay and the areas your fishing. Drifting is GTG (e.g. low deadrise)

I will say I got caught once between 3 storms out at the south tower and made it home. The WX was good most of the day then in the afternoon it went from 2's to 5-8's in minutes (out of nowwhere the air temp dropped and the sky turned black, my own version of the perfect storm), but the boat handled the mess better than we did (I never want to experience that again, now I am gun shy with the weather reports).... BTW I plan to head down to the south tower this weekend weather depending...

If you have any specific questions let me know.

Jay

Jeepman
06-28-2010, 06:18 PM
cobia 237, second choice the KW.


Cobia 237 weighs 700lbs more then the KW, and you can tell the difference in the ride. More beam on the Cobia 237, drifts better and fishs on anchor better. Bilge access on the 237 is massive, and everything is easy to get to. Split boxes in the front are good also.


The Cobia Spirit 235's were cheap made. Not the the 237.

cschaul
06-28-2010, 06:39 PM
KW, I had a 2004 2300CC for a few years. It was great and made many trips out the ledge in Jax, 140 miles roundtrip... You had to pick good weather days, but definitely saw its share of rough weather in afternoons here in FL.
We are looking to upgrade soon, and looking at a lot of the same boats.

There was a sweet Yellowfin 23 on here last year for $60k.

triumphrick
06-28-2010, 07:09 PM
I like the layout and finish of my '02 KW 2300..the WA model shares the hull of the CC.. The transom fishbox is big and handy..the baitwell however is a little short on capacity. Most all of the vinyl is getting worn, but this is an eight yo boat with about 450 hrs on it.
The ride is decent, but you can tell it is a lighter weight hull than other boats in this size. KW counts the bow pulpit in that length, so its really more like a 22'.
We are ready for a bigger boat, as twofootitus has set in. I really feel good about selling it, 'cause it shows so well; plus the twin Yamahas are desirable. So is the 3 mpg at cruise, around 28 mph..

jaybr
06-28-2010, 08:48 PM
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I will say I got caught once between 3 storms out at the south tower and made it home. The WX was good most of the day then in the afternoon it went from 2's to 5-8's in minutes (out of nowwhere the air temp dropped and the sky turned black, my own version of the perfect storm), but the boat handled the mess better than we did (I never want to experience that again, now I am gun shy with the weather reports).... BTW I plan to head down to the south tower this weekend weather depending...

If you have any specific questions let me know.

Jay

Not sure where the south tower is, but we where heading to the CLT for spadefish weekend before last in my bay boat, weather report was good. Got out off Cape Henry and wind was blowing 15-20 and all we could see where white caps. Needless to say we didn't go to the light tower and headed over to the backside of the third island instead. By the time we got ready to leave it was blowing 20-25 and not a fun ride home. Boat handled it fine but at slow speeds and I even managed to keep everyone dry. I need a bigger boat!

jaybr
06-29-2010, 05:24 AM
I talked to Ed's and Sea Hunt Gamefish 24 is in my budget, although they don't take trades and have to order the boat with a 10 week wait. Also found a Triton 2486 that is in my budget.

Few more questions:

The Cobia has in floor fish boxes, do the KW, SH, and Tidewater? How about Triton 2486?

The Cobia and Triton have a folding rear seat rather than removable, how about the others?

Looks like the Tidewater has powdercoated tubes on the t-top, seems that would be a problem if I want to add a crows nest or tower. Would a fabricator be able to add ladders and a tower without pulling the whole top and re-powdercoating? Would that add a lot of cost to the job?

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 05:28 AM
The Cobia 237 in-floor fishboxes are too small. It seems that Cobia is stating they are 40 gallons and they are 40 quarts. They are too narrow for a small tuna. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

Powder coating is the way to go for aluminum. I can't say enough about how easy it is to maintain and stays looking new.

jaybr
06-29-2010, 05:46 AM
The Cobia 237 in-floor fishboxes are too small. It seems that Cobia is stating they are 40 gallons and they are 40 quarts. They are too narrow for a small tuna. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

Powder coating is the way to go for aluminum. I can't say enough about how easy it is to maintain and stays looking new.

I'll definately check them out for size, but aren't even 2 extra 40 quart fishboxed in the floor better than none at all? Narrow may not be an issue for me, looking for boxes long enough to throw cobia in.

What happens to the powdercoating when I take it to have a tower put on? If they have to weld to the existing tower I'd guess they have to re-powdercoat the whole thing? If they don't have to weld, I'd still have to get the tower powdercoated to match.

RedSoxMan
06-29-2010, 05:54 AM
Powder Coating is awesome for the first few years, in terms of looks and maintenance. But, then it starts to chip and scrape off -- and looks like hell.

Weekend-Hooker
06-29-2010, 05:59 AM
KW

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 06:55 AM
Powder Coating is awesome for the first few years, in terms of looks and maintenance. But, then it starts to chip and scrape off -- and looks like hell.

RSM is referring to a crappy job. When it is done correctly, it is great. It is like painting a car. Process is everything.

izalost
06-29-2010, 07:20 AM
RSM is referring to a crappy job. When it is done correctly, it is great. It is like painting a car. Process is everything.

What's the best way to tell a crappy job from a good one?

RedSoxMan
06-29-2010, 07:45 AM
What's the best way to tell a crappy job from a good one?


Even on the best brands -- like Whaler, Edgewater and Pursuit -- this can happen... I've seen it -- look around a Marina the next time you're there. There's an Everglades in my harbor -- one that is heavily used for fishing -- and it has the powder coating has worn off it on all the elbows and there are scrapes in it that are unsightly. I'll try and take a picture of it next time I'm there. It looks really bad, IMO. I had a Whaler dealer tell me, that for powder coating, it was inevitable that it was going to happen in a few years, but was the "hot" marketing thing right now. I guess if you'll only own the boat for a few years and treat it gently, then you'll be okay... Boats have enough maintenance to have to worry about this stuff, IMO.

RSM

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 07:55 AM
You should ask RedSoxMan which manufacturers he knows of that are doing crappy work. I would like to know his basis for his comment also.

Like painting, there are different grades of powder coating product and various levels of quality in workmanship. Key to a lasting finish is insure that the material being coated is free of defects or corrosion which could grow under the powder coating and make it peel. Powder coating on cheaper metals, like patio furniture, will not last as long as quality aluminum and should not be used for comparison purposes.

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 08:02 AM
Even on the best brands -- like Whaler, Edgewater and Pursuit -- this can happen... I've seen it -- look around a Marina the next time you're there. There's an Everglades in my harbor -- one that is heavily used for fishing -- and it has the powder coating has worn off it on all the elbows and there are scrapes in it that are unsightly. I'll try and take a picture of it next time I'm there. It looks really bad, IMO. I had a Whaler dealer tell me, that for powder coating, it was inevitable that it was going to happen in a few years, but was the "hot" marketing thing right now. I guess if you'll only own the boat for a few years and treat it gently, then you'll be okay... Boats have enough maintenance to have to worry about this stuff, IMO.

RSM

You should never reference cases of poor maintenance, neglect, or abuse as an example of poor process or workmanship.

If you beat the crap out of any finish, including anodized aluminum or powder coat, you will compromise the protective coating and create a place for corrosives to get under the coating.

I am looking forward to seeing your pictures of the Everglades you mentioned.

Fish'nFool
06-29-2010, 08:06 AM
You should ask RedSoxMan which manufacturers he knows of that are doing crappy work. I would like to know his basis for his comment also.

Like painting, there are different grades of powder coating product and various levels of quality in workmanship. Key to a lasting finish is insure that the material being coated is free of defects or corrosion which could grow under the powder coating and make it peel. Powder coating on cheaper metals, like patio furniture, will not last as long as quality aluminum and should not be used for comparison purposes.

RSM has a valid point... Look, Everglades makes a nice boat and I am glad you like yours, but that does not diminish the problems associated with a powder coated finish (chipping, bubbling etc) which have been reported across many brands including Everglades.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/250771-mods-delete-thread-asap-6.html

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/127370-how-fix-chipped-powder-coat.html

I do agree it looks nice though, but it's just not designed to withstand the test of time.

jaybr
06-29-2010, 09:14 AM
All great points on powdercoating, I've dealt with it quite a bit on other aluminum products and have a good powdercoater here in town.

My question is still unanswered though. If I decide to add a tower or crows nest with ladders, and any welding to the existing frame is necessary, won't the whole frame need to be pulled off the boat and re-powdercoated? I know how powdercoating works and the whole frame would have to go into an oven to do it right.

Cmann
06-29-2010, 09:20 AM
Cobia is now owned by Maverick which has an excellent reputation. I would seriously consider a Cobia.

x2:thumbsup:

solarfry
06-29-2010, 09:28 AM
I'd go with Cobia or Sea Hunt but larger than 23' maybe a 25'. I don't think you get that much more boatspace going from a 21' to a 23. Take a measuring tape along and measure distance from console to end of floor at stern. Use that as a guide. you will be surprised at how little real space is acquired..

Stay away from powder coated stuff. The hype is there but not the durability.

Spending you money on a new boat to then have to keep repairing it all the time is the pits. Only bad boat I ever purchased was a 19' sailboat. The gelcoat came off in circular chunks. The company paid for the repairs but I got sick and tired of fixing it so I sold it. Never buy that well thought off brand again.

I like my SH. 4 yrs and still going strong. Only dinks on it I put there.

.

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 10:12 AM
The size difference between a 21 and a 23 can be quite a bit. An extra foot in front of the console and one behind the console makes a world of difference. It also changes the handling of the boat a great deal.

Jeepman
06-29-2010, 06:07 PM
I'll definately check them out for size, but aren't even 2 extra 40 quart fishboxed in the floor better than none at all? Narrow may not be an issue for me, looking for boxes long enough to throw cobia in.

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Yes, any in floor boxes are by far better then none. There is also a very large in floor storage in the bow of the Cobia. The Cobia by far has more storage then any of the others you asked about.

I have been looking at the exact boats you are looking at.

The Cobia fits my needs best. I own a Sea Hunt 220. The cobia is better built, better laid out and overall a better boat for the same money. I want twins, and the Cobia 237 fits perfect with Twin F115s. Big plus for me.

The Key West is a small boat, that is the reason they have to sell them with a bay boat center console. I am a big boy, and fished one with a normal console, it was way to small.

I was waiting for the tidewater 23'. Once I gave it a good look over was not impressed.

Jeepman
06-29-2010, 06:18 PM
. The in-floor boxes were all full of water and not draining when I saw the boat which also made me concerned.

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The are 80 gallon, more long then wide. They also have pumps on them, should not have water in them. Not the best box for tuna, but kings, ling etc... will work perfect.


Maybe you saw melted ice?


here are the specs and pics
http://www.cobiaboats.com/boat-specs.php?ID=115

LoveTheSea
06-29-2010, 08:16 PM
Jeep, I saw the specs and called the factory when I was shopping. They would not verify it for me. Do you think you can fit 8 5-gallon jugs in that skinny shallow box? You can not even fit one. I think they measured with the plug out and their 40 gallons fell on the ground. I am not near a 237 any longer. Our local dealer dropped them after not being able to sell them for a year at rock-bottom prices. Can you get the inside measurements on the box?

I also was surprised to look at all the empty space under the floor. It seemed either hollow or used by in-floor storage and had very little flotation foam. It made me concerned that it did not have level flotation or even basic flotation. Their specs don't mention it at all. Ask them about their certs.

Jeepman
06-29-2010, 09:03 PM
Do you think you can fit 8 5-gallon jugs in that skinny shallow box? .


Not interesed in putting jugs in the in floor boxes. I would put 5-gallon jugs in the boxes in the front. Have four to choose from.


In floor boxes are for green fish to go straight into. Would not want anything in the way like 5 gallon jugs. Lots and lots of better places for 5gallon jugs in the 237. Guess me and you look at boats different.


If you are asking if the boxes will hold 40 gallons, then yes looks like they will hold that and more. They are long.



How large are the infloor boxes on your boat?

LoveTheSea
06-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Not interesed in putting jugs in the in floor boxes. I would put 5-gallon jugs in the boxes in the front. Have four to choose from.


In floor boxes are for green fish to go straight into. Would not want anything in the way like 5 gallon jugs. Lots and lots of better places for 5gallon jugs in the 237. Guess me and you look at boats different.


If you are asking if the boxes will hold 40 gallons, then yes looks like they will hold that and more. They are long.



How large are the infloor boxes on your boat?

I was trying to contrast the very small 40 gallon box that, to me, looks smaller than a 5 gallon jug........ I don't carry jugs of water on the boat. :banghead:

Jeepman
06-30-2010, 06:27 PM
........ I don't carry jugs of water on the boat. :banghead:



So the infloor boxes in your boat are larger?

ccat
07-01-2010, 06:00 AM
Stay away from powder coating ,bad juju. Anytime you put paint on aluminum then use it for fishing in saltwater its not going to last. its just a trendy thing to have that will look like crap in time

RedSoxMan
07-01-2010, 06:11 AM
I am looking forward to seeing your pictures of the Everglades you mentioned.

LTS,

I'm going out on the water today -- if I see that Everglades, I'll snap some pics. It looks godawfull... :o:o:o:o

I suspect that you'll no doubt say it was the owners fault. But, bottom line, it happened -- and I'm certain he didn't do it on purpose. Just the nature of powder coating -- even high-end powder coating, which Everglades likely has... Never seen stainless or aluminum look like that...

I'll post 'em up later if I can get 'em.

RSM

jaybr
07-01-2010, 05:15 PM
How about the Clearwater 2300 WI, how does that compare to the others in my list?

bdawg
07-07-2010, 06:36 PM
did you ever get pictures of the powder coating. i'm looking at a tidewater 2300. going bigger from my seahunt 186. also looking at the sea hunts, but i do like the look of the tidewater. haven't seen any posts from anyone who actually has a tidewater 2300. anybody out there?

RedSoxMan
07-07-2010, 06:53 PM
did you ever get pictures of the powder coating.

Not yet... I will.

jaybr
07-19-2010, 11:41 AM
Sold my Sailfish this weekend and put a deposit on a Kencraft Sea King 230cc with twin 150's this morning. The boat is a couple states away and can't get down to pick it up until the first week of August due to work schedule.

It's a very big 23' with engine bracket and huge fish boxes.

triumphrick
07-19-2010, 11:56 AM
What motors??

Lot's of good things said here about Kencraft......

Would this be it?? http://www.seakingboats.com/seaking/230CC.html

If so, great looking rig. I recall a THT member had one on here for a while for sale...

LoveTheSea
07-19-2010, 12:20 PM
Not yet... I will.
I guess it was not as bad as you said???

jaybr
07-19-2010, 12:29 PM
What motors??

Lot's of good things said here about Kencraft......

Would this be it?? http://www.seakingboats.com/seaking/230CC.html

If so, great looking rig. I recall a THT member had one on here for a whole for sale...

Yes, that is the boat. It's a brand new leftover 2007 with Yamaha F150's, never been in the water and full warranties start when I purchase. I had same motor on the Sailfish and was very happy with it. Kencraft reccomends this motor configuration on this hull, but does not have posted performance #'s. I called them and they said top speed would be a little over 50, which should give me a nice economical cruise in the mid 30s. Options on the boat are rear seat, porta-potti, t-top and curtain package, which will be nice during the winter striper season ;)

RedSoxMan
07-19-2010, 01:10 PM
I guess it was not as bad as you said???

No -- it's hideous. I've tried to take pics a couple times, but the boat was out...

I'll keep trying.

izalost
07-20-2010, 07:08 AM
If the 230cc will do 50mph with the 150's I wonder what it will do as pictured on there website with 225's?

jaybr
07-20-2010, 12:03 PM
If the 230cc will do 50mph with the 150's I wonder what it will do as pictured on there website with 225's?

According to the performance bulletin 56.9

http://www.kencraftboats.com/yamaha/pdfs/bulletin_4stroke_hpv6_bss_kcb-seaking230cc-t-f225txr.pdf

izalost
07-20-2010, 12:30 PM
That's fast.

LoveTheSea
08-02-2010, 09:34 PM
No -- it's hideous. I've tried to take pics a couple times, but the boat was out...

I'll keep trying.

It has been over a month.....

RedSoxMan
08-03-2010, 07:07 PM
The guy's never there -- and I've been travelling... I'll try again this week.

Mine Now
10-09-2010, 04:41 AM
LTS,

I'm going out on the water today -- if I see that Everglades, I'll snap some pics. It looks godawfull... :o:o:o:o

I suspect that you'll no doubt say it was the owners fault. But, bottom line, it happened -- and I'm certain he didn't do it on purpose. Just the nature of powder coating -- even high-end powder coating, which Everglades likely has... Never seen stainless or aluminum look like that...

I'll post 'em up later if I can get 'em.

RSM

Im considering a Tidewater 230cc that has powder coating and would like to see what might happen to it after time.
I walked all over one of these boats and cant find anything I dislike about it. Hull and floor was solid, layout in the back was similar to a sailfish. Split seating in the front was perfect for adults and easy access to anchor. Bilge access was good compared to the Sea Hunt gamefish 22. Boat is built at the Key West plant from my understanding. Im surprised it doesn't get any recommendations.
8'10" should be good on the drift ? ;?

LoveTheSea
10-09-2010, 06:10 AM
I could not be happier with my powder coating. If it was anodized aluminum, I am sure it would not look as good at this time.

The RSM pictures of the Everglades with powder coat problems never showed as promised. I would not consider all that bashing in your decision to go with powder coating. My neighbor across the canal has an everglades that is older than mine and it still looks new.

stiletto
09-09-2012, 03:19 PM
I shopped the Everglades 230cc and the Cobia 237cc. The difference was night and day. The Cobia was designed by fisherman. There was storage everywhere, tackle organizers, and fish boxes. The Everglades had a hull and a pretty T-Top. It is not a boat for someone who fishes. Plus the Cobia was about $15k less.

LoveTheSea
09-10-2012, 04:52 AM
Read this entire thread. You get what you pay for.

stiletto
09-10-2012, 06:47 AM
I appreciate you enjoy your Everglades, but the only negative comments on the Cobia I saw were from you about small fish boxes. Kind of comedic when the Everglades doesn't even have a usable fish box...

My take is the following:
Ride Quality - Even, both ride great.
Build Quality - Even, both are solid well built boats.
Storage - Cobia. Cobia has 10x more storage and organization than Everglades. Everywhere I look is storage.
Tackle - Cobia. There is no tackle storage on an Everglades.
T-Top - Everglades. Everglades has a top notch, well integrated T-Top.
Fish Boxes - Cobia. Does Everglades even have a fish box?
Livewell - Even, they have practically the same livewell.
Bilge Access - Cobia. I can fit in the bilge.
Price - Cobia. I feel like I got much more fishing boat for less money.

Enjoy your family cruising boat, I will enjoy my fishing boat.

RedSoxMan
09-10-2012, 08:10 AM
I could not be happier with my powder coating. If it was anodized aluminum, I am sure it would not look as good at this time.

The RSM pictures of the Everglades with powder coat problems never showed as promised. I would not consider all that bashing in your decision to go with powder coating. My neighbor across the canal has an everglades that is older than mine and it still looks new.

I never got that picture because the owner had to have the powder coating redone... Now, couple thousand dollars later, it looks new again. ;)

LoveTheSea
09-11-2012, 04:47 AM
I appreciate you enjoy your Everglades, but the only negative comments on the Cobia I saw were from you about small fish boxes. Kind of comedic when the Everglades doesn't even have a usable fish box...


I put 2 60 pound Yellowfins and a 60" Wahoo in the forward fish box. The tuna would not have fit in your in-floor box. Where would you put them? When I looked at the 23 Cobia it was cold and the boxes were full of ice. When I called them they said they won't drain without the inline macerators turned on. I see this as a freeze hazard. You also don't want your fish sitting in water if you forget to hit the macerator switch.

I hope you are taking the time to read up on whatever purchase you make. You obviously did not read the entire thread or you would have seen my other comments besides the fishbox. I did not mention the cheesy top or the lack of standard powder coating. After 4 years my powder coating looks brand new.

I also got my boat for less than a Cobia 23. If you take a poll asking which members would rather have for the same money, I bet it will be the Everglades 230cc. Most would pay more.

If budget is your reason for going Cobia, that is a good reason. You don't need to defend the boat over a better boat.

LoveTheSea
09-11-2012, 04:49 AM
I never got that picture because the owner had to have the powder coating redone... Now, couple thousand dollars later, it looks new again. ;)

No problem. After 4 years, my powder coating is still like new. I did not even take it off the lift last year. I don't use a mooring cover.

RedSoxMan
09-11-2012, 05:09 AM
I looked closely at most of the Everglades lineup at a boat show last year... The Everglades indeed looks to be better made than the others - fit and finish... It's resale will be better, too. It looked more on the level of Edgewater and Pursuit.

Do your research and get what suits your needs.

stiletto
09-11-2012, 07:52 AM
If you put your fish in that forward hatch then where do you put anything else? That is the only storage on your boat! The forward hatch on the Cobia is bigger than the Everglades and I am sure I could put a tuna there if he didn't fit in the fish boxes. I also did not get the macerator pumps on my fish boxes so I won't have any issues with them draining. I didn't get the powder coat option or hard TTop option because I didn't want either. Take away my front hatch for the big tuna, back fish boxes are full of dolphin and I still have 2 more front hatches, a tackle organizer with drawers, and a TTop bag. What does the Everglades have aside from a higher price tag and powder coating standard?

stiletto
09-11-2012, 07:54 AM
PS - The Everglades dealer even said the 230 wasn't really a fishing boat, and that it was more suited to cruising with the family. Check out the 243 if you want a boat with more of a fishing design.

LoveTheSea
09-11-2012, 03:42 PM
I did not realize that you already bought this. I am sure it is difficult hearing anything is, or might be, better. I did not mean to make you feel bad about your purchase.

stiletto
09-11-2012, 04:28 PM
I think we will have to agree to disagree about which is a better boat. I chose mine based on seeing both and have mentioned why I liked one over the other. The money was merely icing on the cake, it did not drive my decision.

LoveTheSea
09-11-2012, 05:03 PM
Cool.

Flightrisk
09-11-2012, 05:11 PM
Here's the beauty of your list of boats...they are all well made as evidenced by this thread. I personally like the Cobia. I've got a 235 which was the predecessor to the 237. Its great riding and has all the storage I need and then some. Its a heavy boat that rides great when the weather turns snotty. Great comfortable fishing boat but has the fit and finish that my family loves for island hopping. The build quality is great. I take good care of my boat but its a 2005 and spends a minimum of 8 months out of each year in my wetslip. Everytime I clean it, it shines like brand new.

Bottomline, each boat is different, so figure out exactly what you're going to use it for...what your storage needs are and what your family wants. Take them to look at your options and I'm sure you guys will realize pretty quickly which one best suits your OWN individual needs. Once you make your decision, go price shopping. None of the boats your considering are short for dealers search around until you find the right boat at the right price.

LoveTheSea
10-20-2012, 08:28 AM
The price difference is due to fit, finish, and quality of materials. I added a custom tackle center and will be fishing a long time while the Cobia is pushing through a 3 foot sea on a 20 mile run.

I understand your need to justify a lower budget and feel good about your purchase.



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