Northeast - Tuna lures 101, please

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Legal Bill
02-27-2010, 12:54 PM
So what do you recommned for the newbie trolling for tuna? I see references to names of things that I don't recognize. I don't know a 'hoo from a diasy chain from a machine, so links to the products or a sentence or two would sure help.

I'll be trolling four lines and I'll have two jigging and casting set ups too. I'm pretty handy at tying my own terminal gear for stripers, bonito and blues and I'm not afraid of putting together a few rigs myself. It would also be good to know the names and colors of the commercially tied rigs that work well.

At the shop today, I say some pretied rigs that cost $120 +. I don't mind paying for good stuff, but I don'y want to buy the wrong stuff.

I'm fishing out of the south side of the cape and would either run south of the Vinyard or east to Chatham.

Thanks for all your great help.

Bill


Sears720
02-27-2010, 04:39 PM
Don't know how far along you have learned but I will start at some basic stuff

---Spreader bars, Squid Bars, Squid Rigs, Spreader Rigs, Spreaders, Bars, are all the same names. You will most likely be looking for shell squid bars, which are different from the "machine type" rigs. They are the rubber hollow "shell" squid. Spreader bars work very well for bluefin and are probably the most popular bait in New England for bluefin. There are many sites to buy them from, just search Squid Bars in google and a bunch with pop up. I am a little bias because I happen to make Squid bars so here is a link to my stuff....

http://www.canyongear.com/TROLLING%20LURES-SPECIAL%20LURES-BY%20HEAD%20SHAPE-BARS%20CHAINS-SQUID%20BARS%20CO/c1_38_2_3_75/index.html?osCsid=f1568794f46b9d0066d13c090c07a63a

Blacks and natural looking colors do very well. Trick or Treat color is a very good producer last year. You would be looking for 11"-17" squid most likely, 13" being the most common used. 13" are great, they hook fish ranging from 30"-120".

---Soft plastics, sluggos, shankas, hogies, all are soft plastic baits that are used very common south of the cape and the bank. 9" and 12" baits work very well with a 9/o weighted grip hook or regular gami heavy duty live bait hook and a 130lb fluoro leader.

---Live bait* , many different ways to fish livies, pogies, mackeral, whiting, small cod, small bluefish, all work for school/giant bluefin. Different ways to fish them (circle hook, j-hook, kite fishing, balloons, trolling, drifting, ancoring...etc.

---Any other random lures, green machine spreader bars, ballyhoo (dead bait rigged to swim and look alive), swimming plugs, jigs, casting plugs, .....it is endless but this will be a start anyways....

Just keep asking questions until you have none left....thats the only way youll learn.

Also, attend the seminars around here to learn from the local highliners.

GOOD LUCK!

-Taylor

Legal Bill
02-27-2010, 06:21 PM
Taylor, thanks a lot. Please shoot me a PM with some prices for your bars.


BACKTOTHESEA
02-28-2010, 04:27 AM
Take a ride to fishermans outfitter, poke around and ask questions. Their bars should be on sale right no for $85 (i think) for a titanium 4' bar and squid. I have been to the Glouster store.

shark bait uhaha
02-28-2010, 05:44 AM
Go to The Hook Up in Orleans. They just put on a SUPER 2 day seminar "Big Game Bash" You would have learned a ton, I sure did.

Legal Bill
03-01-2010, 06:09 AM
Thanks for the tips. I'm hoping to hear more from guys who fish about what works before I go spend money at the tackle shop.

castalot
03-01-2010, 06:15 AM
don't forget the old cedar plug i prefer the natural color

Legal Bill
03-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Take a ride to fishermans outfitter, poke around and ask questions. Their bars should be on sale right no for $85 (i think) for a titanium 4' bar and squid. I have been to the Glouster store.

Thank you for the info. I went to the web site for Fisherman's Outfitter. Very interesting site with good information.

ubettcha13
03-01-2010, 11:03 AM
South of the vinyard is way different that east of Chatham.
South of the vinyard green/orange better known as green zuccinni is the best color option for inside of the edge. If your in that cobalt blue water then Blue/white is the best color to start. Wahoo are best pursued at dawn. Lowlight means dark colors ie; purple/chartruse, red/black, etc. Cedar plugs work very well. One last thing the south side is usually juvenile fish. The term young dumb and full of something is very appropriate. Meaning they like to attack right at the boat meaning your spread should start 3' behind the prop and go from there.
Chatham is different These fish are pounded on They are keyed into 9-11" bait. From summer to late September Black with a green glow or lipstick stinger will catch the majority of bar caught fish. Pink will take over about the second week of September and out produce every other color in a bar. Pink and white islanders with a bally hoo are productive at all times and so are sluggos. Diving plugs like the Yozuri Bonita and the X-Rap in herring patterns work.
Live bait early mackeral will out fish everything. Pogies work but by the time they do the dogfish are in full force 60$ a dozen to catch bluefish and dogfish is a personal choice I'd rather troll myself.
As you fish you will see what guys are doing to succeed and can adjust.
Lastly have a spinning rod rigged with a deadly dick south of the vinyard or a shorter lure that casts well east and stelwagon for the blitzs that happen most days. Don't run through a school skirt the edges you will create more opportunities and piss less people off by adhering to that one rule

Sweetwater
03-05-2010, 12:43 PM
Go to The Hook Up in Orleans. They just put on a SUPER 2 day seminar "Big Game Bash" You would have learned a ton, I sure did.

I was at the same seminar. Agree, it was very good. Eric (The Hook Up) seems to prefer splash bars (which is a spreader bar rigged with a bird on the bar). I've not tried them but will give it a go this year. Last year we had good success hooking up on single presentation lures such as big sluggos and RonZ's. For someone just starting out, before spending tons of money on spreader bars, try some big soft baits and divers such as Rapala XRaps.

(My 2 cents)

I should add that where I fish for tuna, sand eels are the primary forage much of the year -- thus big sluggos work.

MarlynOC
03-05-2010, 02:08 PM
Ditto the cedar plug, I use blue/yellow most of time. Do not forget teasers on your stern cleats.

Legal Bill
03-06-2010, 09:07 PM
I was at the same seminar. Agree, it was very good. Eric (The Hook Up) seems to prefer splash bars (which is a spreader bar rigged with a bird on the bar). I've not tried them but will give it a go this year. Last year we had good success hooking up on single presentation lures such as big sluggos and RonZ's. For someone just starting out, before spending tons of money on spreader bars, try some big soft baits and divers such as Rapala XRaps.

(My 2 cents)

I should add that where I fish for tuna, sand eels are the primary forage much of the year -- thus big sluggos work.

Were you trolling singles, or casting them into feeding fish?

Sweetwater
03-07-2010, 01:56 PM
Were you trolling singles, or casting them into feeding fish?

Trolling single sluggos (9-12") and/or shankas. Sometimes trolling XRaps (deep divers 30'). Trolling the sluggos very very slowly and just try to keep the shearwaters off of them :)

Hepatitis Sea
03-09-2010, 10:53 AM
Bill,

South of MV: Green machine behind a bird long. Smaller high speed squid bars from Canyon Runner, smaller green machine bars, and ballyhoo rigged behind a junior islander. Keep it 6-8 knots south of MV.

East of chatham. Fisherman's Outfitter 18 inch bars (black or pink with glow stinger) through beginning of september. From that point on fish ballyhoo rigged behind an islander until the end of the season. Keep it 4-5 knots.

I know the single sluggo's work too off chatham, although they are traditionally fished further north, but in my opinion nothing is more productive than the fishermans outfitter bars.

I can show you how to rig it all up if you want. I forget, do you have outriggers?

GOODNYOU
03-09-2010, 06:00 PM
Out east size would be my first priority. Most bait is sand eels. Last year east green/brown splash bars 11 inch fished at least 250 feet back were my biggest producers up top. Same color on a regular bar is good also. Pink with lipstick stinger is good also. I skipped the center rigger and let my whole spread back with great results. 32 oz Planer with ballyhoo got the most hits but its hard to get a good hookset with the ballyhoo. It always lands the biggest fish. Dont be afraid of ballyhoo skirted stingers either.

Legal Bill
03-11-2010, 08:26 PM
Thanks guys. I'm going to print this thread out and use it for further research and discussions with bait shops.

Several PMs from riggers are also appreciated. I'll be in touch with all of you.



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