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peak rut
08-28-2009, 09:04 PM
I'm looking at a 2003 Trophy model 2002 WA. Does it have wooden stringers and/or transom? THanks for your help!!!


UBETRUN
08-28-2009, 09:09 PM
Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.

commuter boats
08-28-2009, 09:16 PM
Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.
Which model year did that start?


biposto
08-29-2009, 05:33 AM
NO ! I believe 2000 the yr Brunswick took over

Raybo Marine NY
08-29-2009, 05:48 AM
i thought brunswick bought bayliner in the late 80s?

erie skipper
08-29-2009, 06:59 AM
Greenwood XL transom, lifetime guarantee against rot with 10 years labor coverage.

One piece fiberglass stringer grid.

Ube is correct, I might add that the glass stringers are foam filled; the 2002 is a very popular boat and a great design for someone who wants plenty of fishing room in a smaller affordable package. Performs very nicely in chop for its size--no problem at all in 3-4' choppy seas.

John_Madison CT
08-29-2009, 07:16 AM
With all the knocks on Bayliner/Trophys, I've yet to read (that I can remember) of a boat with structural problems.

ABoater
08-29-2009, 07:20 AM
NO ! I believe 2000 the yr Brunswick took over

i thought brunswick bought bayliner in the late 80s?








Yep, Bayliner/US Marine (which included the fishing boat line of Bayliner, Trophy) was purchased by Brunswick in late '87.

The ignorance of the origin and current operating status of Trophy is amazing!

I guess that is what their high priced marketing dept is supposed to accomplish though...

How does that old saying go, "you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time".

;?




As far as the OP's question goes, UBETRUN and erie got it right!

CB Haws
08-29-2009, 08:05 AM
A bayliner is probably just as well made as the Grady White. One has a bad rap and the other's reputation is based on fiction.

heeerefishyfishy
08-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Dem's fightin' words CB!

So my 2000 Trophy has this stringer system?

carbo
08-29-2009, 03:53 PM
A bayliner is probably just as well made as the Grady White. One has a bad rap and the other's reputation is based on fiction.

I've owned both and your statement is fiction.

The new ones are ok but they got the rep they deserved from the earlier boats.

erie skipper
08-29-2009, 05:17 PM
I've owned both and your statement is fiction.

The new ones are ok but they got the rep they deserved from the earlier boats.

Carb you are right to some degree; but everyone's earlier boats were suspect. Anything built prior to about 1995, give or take, was subject to shaky procedures--especially 84 to 90 when everyone was over-building and under gc-ing; and I do mean EVERYONE!

UBETRUN
08-29-2009, 06:50 PM
The ignorance of the origin and current operating status of Trophy is amazing!

I guess that is what their high priced marketing dept is supposed to accomplish though...

How does that old saying go, "you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time".

;?




Not sure what you are after with this post ABoater, Trophy's split from Bayliner in 2000 (but still under the Brunswick umbrella) isn't complicated or a secret.

Trophy and Bayliner are separate operating units and don't share hulls, construction techniques, components, etc. There may be economies of scale when Brunswick purchases raw materials but other than that, the only thing the brands share are Mercury motors.

I owned a 2003 Bayliner 242 and now own a 2004 Trophy 2902. While the Bayliner was a good boat, it was nothing like this Trophy which I'd put against any mass produced fiberglass boat on the market in terms of ride, layout for fishing, construction, and components. Trophy does not make a fancy boat but they aren't a cheaply made boat either, especially when compared to some of the horror stories on here about supposed "top tier" brands.

ABoater
08-29-2009, 08:07 PM
^^^^^^

I agree with everything you said with the exception of them not being part of Bayliner.

If I was in the market for another fishing boat and a Trophy fit the bill, I'd buy one in a second. No problem. I think they have some of the best designed fishing boats out there.

But Trophy's are still Bayliners.

Same corporate team (not talking about the Brunswick suits), same dealer network, same warranty process (Trophy does have different/better warranty coverage), heck, even the same dealer meetings. And I still haven't been told of any stand-alone Trophy dealerships. They are sold at Bayliner dealerships.

All that I am saying (and that I have proven in past posts with names and direct phone numbers to back up my claims) is that Trophy "split" from Bayliner in marketing terms only (and I certainly don't blame them).

Trophy started out as Bayliner's fishing boat division and will always be just that.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

Just sayin'...

:thumbsup:

GibsonEL34
08-29-2009, 08:30 PM
I just took a 1998 18' Walkaround Trophy out for a test ride, and took a good look under the hood. When I looked under the cuddy and up under to the top bow I saw light coming in on one area where the top half mates to the hull (shoe box cover). Stepping just down and into the cuddy I lifted up the rug and under that was a rotted piece of wood. The built in fuel tank had no access cover if it needed to be replaced and in this case it did.

So I assume this year to be of poor quality, what year did they get better? Or are they now built any better??

I have looked a used Scout's and Grady's and the quality seems MUCH better.

UBETRUN
08-29-2009, 08:46 PM
2000 to 2001 was the major redesign of the brand. I read somewhere that Trophy borrowed (or stole?) a design engineer from one of Brunswick's other brands and he was put in charge of the upgrades. Specific upgrades I know about since 2000:

- Vinylester gelcoat
- Greenwood XL transom
- SS thru hulls
- Armstrong brackets on bracket boats
- hull to cap bolted, glued, and riveted (no screws)
- one piece fiberglass over foam stringer grid

Ranger88
08-29-2009, 09:24 PM
2000 to 2001 was the major redesign of the brand. I read somewhere that Trophy borrowed (or stole?) a design engineer from one of Brunswick's other brands and he was put in charge of the upgrades. Specific upgrades I know about since 2000:

- Vinylester gelcoat
- Greenwood XL transom
- SS thru hulls
- Armstrong brackets on bracket boats
- hull to cap bolted, glued, and riveted (no screws)
- one piece fiberglass over foam stringer grid

Wasn't that the year (2000 to 2001) that US Marine bought the brand? Could that " Brunswick's other brand" be Robalo? I'm just basing that on the upgrades, eg. Vinylester gelcoat.

UBETRUN
08-29-2009, 09:34 PM
I don't know, it was a few years ago that I read about the "borrowed" design engineer while researching Trophy before buying mine. For some reason, Boston Whaler sticks in my head but it could just be a random neuron firing.

Brad1
08-30-2009, 04:42 AM
With all the knocks on Bayliner/Trophys, I've yet to read (that I can remember) of a boat with structural problems.

My observations on this website pretty much agree with the above post.

gf
08-30-2009, 07:04 AM
I'll tell you what, in the past week I have looked at a brand new '08 Trophy 2103 and a '09 Wellcraft 210 and the Trophy appeared to be a very well built boat.

The Trophy had better wiring, better plumbing of the livewell and drains, and fit and finish that was every bit the equal of the Wellcraft.

The 210 has a little more family friendly layout, as it is a brand new design compared to the 2103 which first appeared in '03, but the Trophy is a nice boat, no doubt about it.

Barbaras Boys
08-30-2009, 07:13 AM
Get the Wellcraft. I am on my third one and love them. Wellcraft is having there own financial difficulties, they still make a solid boat. Bottom line when getting a boat get what makes u happay. Good luck, BB..

Raybo Marine NY
08-30-2009, 09:31 AM
Im pretty sure Brunswick never owned any part of Robalo.

Considering the vast construction difference between a Whaler and a Trophy I cant see them borrowing a design either, the vinylester thing is a new one on me, maybe its just a skin coat in the bottom like alot of other Brunswich products, but I do not recall vinyester in the last few we have ground into during collision repair.

For the price though you really cant go wrong.

ABoater
08-30-2009, 09:39 AM
Im pretty sure Brunswick never owned any part of Robalo.










They did for a short time. Pretty much in name alone. They were hoping that buyers and followers of the brand would jump on thier band wagon and that sales would follow.

They did have a few models that were just Trophy's rebadged with the Robalo name. I believe you could tell a Bayliner Robalo by their infamous rub-rail with quickly decaying rope inserted into the middle of it. Once again, they were sold by Bayliner dealers along side the Trophy's.

That "experiment" didn't last too long and they sold off the brand to someone who could make good use of it...

Raybo Marine NY
08-30-2009, 09:44 AM
man its hard to keep up, I do remember those rope insert Robalos- I have no comment on that.

Ranger88
08-30-2009, 10:35 AM
Im pretty sure Brunswick never owned any part of Robalo.

Considering the vast construction difference between a Whaler and a Trophy I cant see them borrowing a design either, the vinylester thing is a new one on me, maybe its just a skin coat in the bottom like alot of other Brunswich products, but I do not recall vinyester in the last few we have ground into during collision repair.

For the price though you really cant go wrong.

Then who owned Robalo from '93 to 2000? Isn't US Marine a division of Brunswick?

ABoater
08-30-2009, 10:40 AM
US Marine is/was Bayliner, Trophy, Meridian, Maxum and all of the other Bayliner clones over the years (Arriva, Spectrum, Robalo, etc...).

US Marine was also a lable given to their OEM stuff like stereos, CB radio's (yes, I said, "CB" hehe). etc... before Brunswick purchased the "brand".

:thumbsup:

erie skipper
08-30-2009, 10:46 AM
^^^^^^

I agree with everything you said with the exception of them not being part of Bayliner.

If I was in the market for another fishing boat and a Trophy fit the bill, I'd buy one in a second. No problem. I think they have some of the best designed fishing boats out there.

But Trophy's are still Bayliners.

Same corporate team (not talking about the Brunswick suits), same dealer network, same warranty process (Trophy does have different/better warranty coverage), heck, even the same dealer meetings. And I still haven't been told of any stand-alone Trophy dealerships. They are sold at Bayliner dealerships.

All that I am saying (and that I have proven in past posts with names and direct phone numbers to back up my claims) is that Trophy "split" from Bayliner in marketing terms only (and I certainly don't blame them).

Trophy started out as Bayliner's fishing boat division and will always be just that.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

Just sayin'...

:thumbsup:

I think what ube was referring to is that Trophies were being built in Maryland for a long time and were part of the same saltwater fishing boat group within Brunswick that built whalers, sea pros, sea boss and albemarle. They shared info, engineering, and many parts as well as gel and other raw materials.
There really is no more US Marine; and all Brunswick production has been pretty well centralized to Minn and Tenn fairly recently.

Ranger88
08-30-2009, 10:55 AM
I never heard of Robalo refered to as a "Bayliner Clone". I am really trying to understand this.

When you say "before Brunswick purchased the brand", doesn't that conflict with post 22, where you say "Im pretty sure Brunswick never owned any part of Robalo".

Not trying to start something, I really just want to understand.

ABoater
08-30-2009, 11:32 AM
When you say "before Brunswick purchased the brand", doesn't that conflict with post 22, where you say "Im pretty sure Brunswick never owned any part of Robalo".

Not trying to start something, I really just want to understand.









Hopefully, this will clarify it...

Two different posts from two different posters about two different subjects...

"Before Brunswick purchased the brand" was my post in regards to the OEM accessories that Bayliner dealers sold using the US Marine label before Brunswick purchased US Marine (corporate name for Bayliner, Force, etc...) back in '87.


Post #22 was Raybo Marine's post about not knowing that at one point, Robalo was owned by Brunswick.

:thumbsup:

ABoater
08-30-2009, 11:50 AM
I think what ube was referring to is that Trophies were being built in Maryland for a long time and were part of the same saltwater fishing boat group within Brunswick that built whalers, sea pros, sea boss and albemarle. They shared info, engineering, and many parts as well as gel and other raw materials.










Yeah, that is correct. I don't dispute that or the fact that the Trophy's are built different from Bayliner's. And once again, I'm not bashing the brand. I think they are a fine product.

My point was despite that, the Trophy brand remains Bayliner's fishing boat division due to the infastructure of the two "brands" being identical as far as corporate leadership, sales (of both boats and parts), warranty service and MFG to dealer marketing goes.

You don't see Whaler's being exclusively sold thru Bayliner dealerships or the same corporate suits pushing the buttons back at HQ because Whalers are their own true division within the Brunswick umbrella.

Trophy certainly deserves that respect now that they are built and backed differently than the Bayliners, but the bottom line is that corporately, Brunswick continues to treat Trophy as the fishing boat "division" of Bayliner and they are keeping it that way. Of course, the retail marketing of the brand has been kept "seperate" from Bayliner since the early 2000's. I'm sure that everyone here remembers the "Trophy by Bayliner" stickers on the sides of every hull produced up until the promoted "seperation".

Brunswick knows that perception does become reality. Well, in most cases...

Raybo Marine NY
08-30-2009, 01:14 PM
there is so much confusion in this thread :rofl:

heeerefishyfishy
08-30-2009, 01:28 PM
Well in summary, Trophy are pretty good boats now.

Raybo Marine NY
08-30-2009, 02:37 PM
it may not serve you drinks, it may not massage your ego or your pecker, but it will get you out on the water and hopefully catch some fish and bring you back home.

baypro21
08-30-2009, 02:50 PM
Well in summary, Trophy are pretty good boats now.


Believe it or not even some of the older ones from the so called crappy era have not broken apart in heavy seas or had transome, stringer, or any other structural issues.:thumbsup:

1994 model 2352 w/a
http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/baypro21-albums-baypro21-picture38267-a.jpg

ABoater
08-30-2009, 03:38 PM
it may not serve you drinks, it may not massage your ego or your pecker, but it will get you out on the water and hopefully catch some fish and bring you back home.








Kind of reminds me of my ex-wife! Reliable and trustworthy, but other than that... :o




:jk: I don't have an ex-wife!!! :rofl:

Brewhedd
08-30-2009, 05:39 PM
My point was despite that, the Trophy brand remains Bayliner's fishing boat division due to the infastructure of the two "brands" being identical as far as corporate leadership, sales (of both boats and parts), warranty service and MFG to dealer marketing goes.



Trophy is not Bayliners anything. I owned a 2000 2302 which was a good boat and can tell you they have continually improved. As far as GW they don't use as good a gel coat as Trophy. Grady's are ok boats but way, way overpriced.

erie skipper
08-30-2009, 05:56 PM
ABoater, you are correct in all you say as per usual. Was just trying to pull your thoughts and Ube's together. The saltwater fishing boat group was put together about 3 years ago and was an attempt to separate fishing boats from cruisers and runabouts within the Brunswick organization. Since then, Sea Pro and Sea Boss names have been eliminated altogether. Trophy is still very much tied to Bayliner. Maxum is now gone and Bayliner Yachts became Meridian and so it goes.
Who knows what they might do next---only your hairdresser eh?

ABoater
08-30-2009, 07:15 PM
Who knows what they might do next---only your hairdresser eh?








If I had hair!!! :o

:rofl:


:thumbsup:

ABoater
08-30-2009, 07:16 PM
Was just trying to pull your thoughts and Ube's together.






:thumbsup:

heeerefishyfishy
08-31-2009, 12:42 AM
2000 Trophy 2052

BTW a small badge on the back of the cuddy says "Trophy by Bayliner"

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/dkc1657/IMG_3283.jpg



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