The Boating Forum - Triumph boats?

im in the market for a new center console fishing boat and these caught my eye. I don't know much about hull designs but is it true the foam gets waterlogged after time and the boats gets massively heavy? Anyone who owns one, what do you think of it? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

im in the market for a new center console fishing boat and these caught my eye. I don't know much about hull designs but is it true the foam gets waterlogged after time and the boats gets massively heavy? Anyone who owns one, what do you think of it? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


I've owned one since '01, Logic then, Bought new, not a problem with water intrusion, Some slight warping of the hull however.

You are gonna get hammered for your interest in this brand. Some of the folks here find it fun to ridicule those who don't "tow-the-line" & buy what everyone else buys.

Have you considered selling your home & car, divorce your wife & forget your kids except your oldest boy. Then what you need to do is find a 42' Yellowfin in Fighting Lady Yellow as this is the only color that is acceptable, you can live under the console. Yes, this is what must be done...good luck.

You are gonna get hammered for your interest in this brand. Some of the folks here find it fun to ridicule those who don't "tow-the-line" & buy what everyone else buys.

Have you considered selling your home & car, divorce your wife & forget your kids except your oldest boy. Then what you need to do is find a 42' Yellowfin in Fighting Lady Yellow as this is the only color that is acceptable, you can live under the console. Yes, this is what must be done...good luck.



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they are GREAT boats... Since they are not made of fiberglass, some folks will ridicule them. Back when it was Logic, there were some problems with early hulls deforming, especially if the trailer was not properly fitted... They learned how to "thermo-set" the plastic, rather than just "thermo-form" it, now it is not inclined to deform...

As for the foam absorbing water, NO WAY, it is closed cell foam and will not absorb anything... They are amazingly TOUGH boats that will take almost any abuse in stride, perform very well, are super-easy to clean, and are reasonably priced. They don't "shine" like freshly waxed gelcoat, but will look new after 5 years of MINIMAL care, whereas fiberglass will be dull and chalked after the same time if not kept waxed... Bump into a dock too hard with one and it will just bounce off, do the same w/ F/G and you will be paying for some glass work...

BTW - they also ride very well in choppy conditions, It seems to have something to do with the 1-piece, foam-filled hull. It seems to ABSORB the shocks, rather than tranferring them into your body like some F/G boats can...

My personal take is that they're great boats IF your boating needs include the kind of abuse that they can take by design. If you do not intend to drag it across sand, rocks, trees, etc - I don't quite see the need but to each his own, it's an interesting idea. I do think they've come a long way from the early models.

I would go look at some used ones, to get a better sense for how they'll hold up over time. The one used triumph I looked at (sorry, don't know the actual age or if it was a Logic branded hull?) had been pretty badly neglected, but it showed - on this particular south florida boat there was quite a bit of heat/sun warping going on around hatches etc that surprised me - but could very well have just been that one boat that had been through hell, have seen plenty of trashed fiberglass boats too. :)

For something that you KNOW will be abused, it's a good idea. When I was a kid my family rented little mini 9.9 hp "speedboats" made of a similar material. Idiots would crash them into each other at speed - we'd just sit them out in full sun and they'd pop back into shape after a day or two.

There's a guy who posts a lot from Venice FL who seems to love his, I'm sure he'll chime in. I'd actually like to get a better look at his boat in person sometime, I'm over there occasionally visiting the family.

I have a '08 170 CC which I use more then my Whaler...a friend of mine has the 210 Logic, and he has yet to see all the problems attributed to the brand that typically come from those who have never owned one...all those issues that you may have heard about in the past are a non-issue now...they are priced right, can take abuse, and they DON't warp in the Florida sun as those who have never owned one claim...they have consistantly made the A List on JD Powers for 4 years in a row, if that makes any difference to you, and you certainly can't beat the lifetime hull warranty which is fully transferable should you sell it...their new 1700 Skiff are selling before they are being made, and I would sell mine just to get the Skiff..


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Kyle, may I please make a suggestion.

Go to http://www.triumphowners.net/ , click on the "Articles" tab at the top, and read why we purchased our Triumph.

Please keep in mind that this is an "Owners" web site, that is the emphasis, not visitors, but there is a "Visitors" section.

We love our 2005 210CC.

The foam is closed cell, so no water will enter it. Sounds like just another story put forth by someone with their own agenda.

You do not say where you live, but will be glad to try and answer your questions, you can even e-mail me. If you live anywhere close to Sarasota Florida, you are even welcome to come see our 210. NO it is NOT for sale.

My back and knees both love the give the hull has. I have owned a few boats and have been on many others. Unless I win the lottery and can purchase a 50 footer or bigger, I will never own another fiberglass boat. After that comment, I also need to say, that being on the water in ANY boat sure beats standing on dry land. BUT, no polishing, no gel coat to repair, etc. etc.

I know of only two possible downsides. (notice the word possible)

A Triumph will NEVER shine like a new fiberglass boat, but a few years down the road take a look at both boats. That is unless you want to spend your time polishing and not on the water.

A Triumph needs to be proplerly supported when out of the water. WOW, it that so terrible if it gives me that easy ride? I do not have a factory trailer and many others have their Triumph on boat lifts that were properly designed. So not a big deal to me, but maybe others.

On the plus side, who else offers you a lifetime hull warranty? Again, maybe not important to others, but I like it.

Good luck in your search. In my opinion, every year, the manufacturer makes these boats better.

For a smaller bay boat I would be all over one. When I start thinking about running offshore in one I have trouble getting over the fact that they are a plastic boat. Basically the same thing as a high end kayak.

The dealer near me has two skiffs in stock and the hull design on them is so flat it looks like the old flying saucer I rode down hill as a kid. That is the only model I would steer clear of, the rest are truly nice boats. I priced the new 23 with enclosed head at 50k list a year ago but the dealer would not haggle much. Ended up with Robalo but still would have liked the low maintenance of the tupperware :)

I own a 2007 215 cc triumph, and have fished offshore of NC, with it for two years, untill I bought a triton 2895cc.Nice ride and overall nice boat for what it is, the only problem I have with it is the fish boxes drain in the boat. Big NO NO !

The dealer near me has two skiffs in stock and the hull design on them is so flat it looks like the old flying saucer I rode down hill as a kid. That is the only model I would steer clear of, the rest are truly nice boats. I priced the new 23 with enclosed head at 50k list a year ago but the dealer would not haggle much. Ended up with Robalo but still would have liked the low maintenance of the tupperware :)


Yes, that's what skiff hulls look like...check other skiff brands and show me a deep V hull:roll

total crap boats. Its tupperware. Thats why they changed there name. They had tons of issues regarding warping and flexing of the hulls.

total crap boats. Its tupperware. Thats why they changed there name. They had tons of issues regarding warping and flexing of the hulls.


Interesting observation...tell me, which model did you have, and what were the issues on your Triumph?

I have a 21 Chaos edition. Great boat for what I do, which is fishing. I dont have a lot of time to polish and clean. I take it out, give it a quick rinse and scrub and go. My father owns a 29' Phoenix, and several boats before that, and my Uncle also owns boats and both are surprsied by how much they like the boat.

Is it perfect? No- but what boat it? The fishboxes drain into the bilge. Thats my big complaint. Otherwise a great dry riding 21' with a ton of storage.

dfallon, I solved the fishbox drain problem by having drains put in all 4 fish boxes, and sealing up the drains from the fishboxes into the bilge. When finished for the day, and cleaning up, we just remove the drain plugs, and rinse the "stuff" out of the boat.

In that we store our boat in the garage, wife would not stand for a dead fish smell every time she went to her car.

Works for us, just a thought.

A Triumph needs to be proplerly supported when out of the water. WOW, it that so terrible if it gives me that easy ride? I do not have a factory trailer and many others have their Triumph on boat lifts that were properly designed. So not a big deal to me, but maybe others.


Same as a small Whaler, keep it on bunks or risk dimples/deflection due to the rollers not having the surface area to distribute the weight. You don't hear too many people slamming Montauks because they need bunks.

We have a 190 bay we use for inshore fishing and we love the boat.

Great boat if you are interested in low maintenence, functional boat.

They are as close to indestructable as a boat can be.

Oh, I forgot to mention. Customer service SUCKS!!!!

Yes, that's what skiff hulls look like...check other skiff brands and show me a deep V hull:roll

I'm not debating that the hull looks like a skiff, I'm saying it will beat the ship out of you in a chop, not for me, perhaps for you? ;?

My logic is a 186 cool bay, the 190 triumph now. I will beat it to death now, since so many others are also. Ok the dry storage leaks too! Gees?

I am an old x commercial fisherman and have had many boats. Its trur there were problems in the begining with these boats. But they have them all worked out and they will replace for free. Best boat I have ever boat for the money.

I have the '03 Triumph cool bay. Side scuppers in '03 were too low and water backed up into the boat. They fixed that issue however. Back in '03 the price was right, however now they are expensive as fiberglass boats. I don't think I would buy one at today's prices.
Incidentally, lightning hit a Northern Pine tree which caused said tree to split in half and the top half landed right accross the bow. A normal boat would have broke in half, but mine only has a crack that I'm going to brace and weld together. Tought boat.

And now they are in chapter 11 by, by, to plastic. sell the left over material to the local milk jug company. I had 2 first was not bad Logic. Many repairs before I got it. made it pretty good, except for major leaking problem. expected Bilge to come on every 4 minutes, Ok If you trailer it. was a Center console. Put in Extra rear transom drains as per Triumph owners site. It drained for days. That foam was full of water. Drained all 3 plugs for hours after each use. Got a left over 2004 duel console never ran right 4 trips to dealers. Satisfaction 0, factory support needed Life support Terriable. most times. I needed to make way back to dock on other power Tow, Small Kicker ect. 4 of 5 tries. You name it it was faulity. Factory and dealer admitted they no longer used the fish well system it came with, so no one knew how it should work or how to fix it. Wonder why they are chapter 11.Now you know

I use to work for the company yeah they weren't the best on the market but they were never trying to be. They have had their issues but a lot of them have been taken car of over the years. The reason they switched names was the swoop they had over the Logic name supposidly infringed on Newport cigs swoosh mark, also they use to be owned by a company based in India and when Genmar bought it thats around when the name changed.
All of Genmar is in Chapter 11 so that means wellcraft, Glastron, Larson, Ranger boats just to name a few brands. That doesn't mean that they will be gone maybe just combined with another company in the same factory to save costs. There are a lot of companies in Chapter 11 these days does that mean we shouldn't support a US based company and help ourselves out.
I think they are a decent boat for what they are and I like them more and more as they continue to improve on the product and learn from their mistakes all comppanies go through growing pains. The foam doesn't soak the water up like a towel it does have air pockets that can trap the water if it gets in there.
There is a way to make them shinyer with some elbow grease and a DA sander and burrfer but you gotta be careful not to burn the boat cause it will discolor (yellow to brown) depending how bad you heat it up. Any other questions I can help as best I can since I haven't worked for them for several years now but still keep up with them. The technology is very interesting and cutting edge oh and they are completely recycleable if you ever destroy one. Which makes them less better for the enviroment than glass if your into that.

took this this weekend - the gunnels were bowing out. I'd never seen one on a lift like this - I guess this goes back to the idea of supporting when they are out of the water

I fished on a friends 17 and was very impressed. Impressed enough to go to a dealer and have a closer look. I looked at a 19 bay boat. I liked everything EXCEPT it was lacking for storage. The fish box held 2 batteries for the trolling motor. The stern boxes are small, one had a battery, if you have 2 batteries there goes the other box. No anchor locker. Fuel tank is under the console. Just the 2 boxes on the bow platform are left.
My friends 17 had tons of storage behind the console helm seat. Found out he built all the storage himself with starboard and water tight hatches..

In my opinion, there is no such thing as the "Perfect Boat". If there was, would the average guy or gal be able to afford it?

We love our 2005 210CC Triumph. It works for my family. That does not mean it will work for everyone. We beached the boat today on an area with some rocks without worry of damaging the gelcoat. Others anchored further out. Does that make our Triumph better? NO, but it works for us.

Being retired, I could spend my time polishing my gelcoat, but I would rather not. All I need is a pressure washer.

took this this weekend - the gunnels were bowing out. I'd never seen one on a lift like this - I guess this goes back to the idea of supporting when they are out of the water

That perrson is an idiot Triumph's are not made to be stored like that. They can be lifted like that for short periods of time thats it. I wouldn't store any boat like that I would have some sort of support under it. That is a funny pic though.:trout:

Kull79, thanks for the insider insight.

First off let me say I don't have a horse in this race. But I did look at one today just out of curiosity because it was sitting in front of the auto parts store I was in and since I have heard so much about them I just had to check it out. It was an 07' 21 cc w/150 Yammi 4 stk. asking price was $25,500
This is a completely unbiased opinion, and it's just my opinion or should i say first impression. Boat seemed to have a functional layout, for an average size person of say 6' and 200lbs and small crew. It had a tee top with some nice rocket launchers. Vhf antennae was is the down position and the last foot was in shreds, obviuosly from not lowering( wouldn't you fix this if your trying to sell). Decent helm nothing spectactular, but functional with some electronics. Did not seem to have much storage, but had decent seating. Seemed to be some warping around the hatches, strange looking. As much as I want to say it was a nice boat, I just can't bring myself to that. And the main reason is the hull. This was an 07', and I don't know if it was neglected or what, but it looked like it was 20 yr old faded vinyl siding. The interior part of the hull did not appear to be that bad. It was not bottom painted and was on a trailer. With a price tag of 25k I ask myself what this boat would cost new. I can see why some people are happy as punch with this boat, as I'm sure it's about indestructable, but damn a 2 yr old boat that looks twenty? And I'm not a clean freak but I do wash and wax my boats every now and then. Bottom line for me is I would never buy one. And for the price there are just to many other options in todays market. Just a bad first impression that will stick with me I'm sure.

twobyfour, you say there are choices for the price, but seriously, where can you get an 07' 21' that is nearly indestructible (as long as it is stored correctly) with a Yamaha 4-stroke for $25,500? Personally the triumphs I've seen didn't look so bad, maybe not the boat for a trailer queen, but for a hardcore boater, I think a glass boat might look a bit worse after a bit of heavy use.

Be aware that the factory t-tops may need some extra support due to the flex in the hull. A fellow boater had two pipes break clean through in one outing on an 08 19 footer. Birdsall re-welded them and I think the owner said they put a sleeve inside for extra support.

I spend serval days on my brothers this Summer. He likes it but he is also a no frills if it gets me from A to B then its fine person.

The 140 Zuke on the 21 CC is not near enough.

The boat looks old for its age due to the lack of luster and all the small scratches from sand, shoes, weights, whatever, that fill in with dirt.

The fish box drains back filled with water and onto the deck.

It was never rough but the boat seemed to ride fine for its size.

For those of you who think closed cell foam will not wet are naive. Water will get in under the deck of any boat over time and it will wet the foam. No question.

Another big problem I have is the inability to repair the boat. If you own any boat for a period you will change things, drill holes for this or that and over time remove it and have remaining holes. Ever looked at a 15 year old console? In this case you are stuck.

I have owned a fibergalss boat for 17 years and since I can glass there is not a single hole anywhere that is out of place.

Another big problem I have is the inability to repair the boat. If you own any boat for a period you will change things, drill holes for this or that and over time remove it and have remaining holes. Ever looked at a 15 year old console? In this case you are stuck.

I have owned a fibergalss boat for 17 years and since I can glass there is not a single hole anywhere that is out of place.

Uh, WRONG! You can not repair fiberglass, you can only patch it (i.e. you can not fix the woven fiberglass once damaged) . Plastic can be repaired simply with a plastic welder and it is then "repaired" not patched. :rofl:

Cant repair fiberglass, ok, sure.

Cant repair fiberglass, ok, sure.

LOL, what I mean by repair versus patch is restoring the full structural integrity vs a fix that does not restore the full structural integrity. Fiberglass is generally (except for chop) a woven fiber embedded in epoxy and covered with gelcoat. Once the woven fiber is damaged, there is no way to truly "repair" it in this sense. There are a number of ways to fix fiberglass, however none will fully restore the same structural integrity of the original molded fiberglass (i.e. a patch not repair). With a lot of effort and expense you may get close but will never be as good as new.

Plastic is cheap and easy to repair and with little effort and expense you can fully restore the original structural integrity (i.e. a repair). :thumbsup:

twobyfour, you say there are choices for the price, but seriously, where can you get an 07' 21' that is nearly indestructible (as long as it is stored correctly) with a Yamaha 4-stroke for $25,500? Personally the triumphs I've seen didn't look so bad, maybe not the boat for a trailer queen, but for a hardcore boater, I think a glass boat might look a bit worse after a bit of heavy use.


Well thats just it. It is an 07' and it looks bad. I have no idea if it was neglected or not as I have no interest in it. This is the only one I have seen up close. And I may be ignorant. Had this been a glass boat, I myself could have put a shine back on the gelcoat of a two year old boat.. I do not know if this is possible with the Triumph, but I would think it looks as good as its going too being they are trying to sell it. As far as the price, I don't have a clue as to whether or not its a good deal. As always, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and I guess if someone thinks its a good deal , they will slurp it up. If anyone is intersted in it, I can get the # and some pics as its only a mile from my house.

Yes you can achieve the same structural integrity; or even stronger, with a fiberglass repair IF the tech knows what he is doing. Closed cell foam contains round molecules and water can and will penetrate. Let styrofoam sit in water for any length of time and it will get heavier. Very similar substance.

Re the Triumph/Logics, other than lack of drainage for the storage holds in the boat, it has got to be the toughest material ever to try to keep clean--but for salt water would make a lot of sense to me just due to its appearance to begin with. It really just doesnt get much duller looking than what it starts out.

Well thats just it. It is an 07' and it looks bad. I have no idea if it was neglected or not as I have no interest in it. This is the only one I have seen up close. And I may be ignorant. Had this been a glass boat, I myself could have put a shine back on the gelcoat of a two year old boat.. I do not know if this is possible with the Triumph, but I would think it looks as good as its going too being they are trying to sell it. As far as the price, I don't have a clue as to whether or not its a good deal. As always, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and I guess if someone thinks its a good deal , they will slurp it up. If anyone is intersted in it, I can get the # and some pics as its only a mile from my house.


I think Triumphs are great for someone who wants an affordable workhorse thats going to get beaten up a bit. If you want something that you can show off then probably not the boat, but if you want something you can beat the crap out of and not worry about, then maybe it's something to look at. I guess maybe I'd agree a 1 or 2 year old triumph looks like a 4 year old fiberglass boat, but then again so does a 6 year old triumph....

I am in my second year with a 2007 215 CC that I bought as a leftover in April 2008. Since this is my first boat, I wanted something that could take a beating due to my lack of experience. I am able to take good care of my boat because it lives on the factory trailer in my driveway. With a little water and soap after every use, it is very easy to keep in good condition. I covered the boat with a nice canvas cover and kept it outside the entire winter. After a good wash this Spring the boat was good to go. All systems were in good shape, and I am enjoying another season of low maintenance boating. The only thing I would change is the wet fishboxes that drain into the bilge. I use the boxes for day storage and put any fish I catch in the huge cooler located infront of the CC. I am not skilled enough as a fisherman to need the extra room in the fishboxes. This boat is not for everyone. But with a new Yamaha 150, and a 5yr. extended warranty, I'm having a ball with very little work.

I think Triumphs are great for someone who wants an affordable workhorse thats going to get beaten up a bit. If you want something that you can show off then probably not the boat, but if you want something you can beat the crap out of and not worry about, then maybe it's something to look at. I guess maybe I'd agree a 1 or 2 year old triumph looks like a 4 year old fiberglass boat, but then again so does a 6 year old triumph....


I completly agree . The thing is why would you pay so much for somthing you aren't gonna take care of. Using your logic, the boat would be treated like a workboat, and it would probably be a damn good one, but in my opinion should not be priced the same as a comparitive size glass boat. They certainly don't cost as much to build.

I completly agree . The thing is why would you pay so much for somthing you aren't gonna take care of. Using your logic, the boat would be treated like a workboat, and it would probably be a damn good one, but in my opinion should not be priced the same as a comparitive size glass boat. They certainly don't cost as much to build.

Fair enough, I'll agree they are probably are overpriced and have a high profit margin. However, that said, the unfortunate reality is they are still on the very low end of the price spectrum for their size. Probably comparable to a bayliner or seafox. Out of the three I'd take a triumph any day. Of course if I had my choice I'd take a Whaler, Contender, Regulator etc.... but then I'd be paying more than twice as much for the same size.