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tnsmith
11-15-2007, 12:05 AM
Thought this was pretty cool. The video is below. This guy restored his dad's old boat... some old Chrsler Marine "speed boat" with a Chrysler 130 outboard. Guy says that back then they were "Mercury eaters".

Now, I'm not old enough to remember these old Chryslers. But I've always wondered about their history. One of my father's best friends used to have an old Aquasport with twin Chrysler outboards. He curses them. Ran it a lot in saltwater, and claims that they were nothing but trouble.

I'm just wondering if I can get some opinions of the old Chryslers... positives and negatives... first hand experiences, and what ultimately sunk the marine division. Anyone?

Here's the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9N3UK-bD-Y&feature=related

And another... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2IE6xg2_U4&feature=related


captainkevin
11-15-2007, 05:42 AM
I think to see one running today is rare.

billh1963
11-15-2007, 06:28 AM
In the 1970's no commercial fishermen would use them. Someone tried to open a new boat dealership carrying the Chrysler engine and boat line and they went belly up. The engines had a terrible reputation.

I had always heard (maybe wrongly) that Force bought the engine rights/design and the early Force models were "rebadged" Chryslers?


Afishinado
11-15-2007, 06:45 AM
Actually they made two decent engines, one was the 85, the 130 or 115 may have been the other. They became the Force brand of outboards.
I remember them and the boats, I was in my 20's... They were not Merc or Johnrude eaters, that's for sure! The styling of the boat would have done well in the fifties as being futuristic, and it was at least better looking than the Evinrude boats of the era.

Was that Florida Dan narrating the video?

cobraarvey
11-15-2007, 07:21 AM
From what I could see of the boat, looks like he did a pretty nice job of restoring. Spent a lot of hours running the family's boat during that era, and Chryslers were not very highly thought of. As I recall the only thing the Chryslers were know for eating was time spent in the shop for repairs. Rude and Johnson pretty much were the power of choice back then with Merc a distant third.

sinjun
11-15-2007, 07:34 AM
my first boat that i bought when i was 19 was the same boat except mine had a 105hp on it, alot of people talk bad about chrysler outboard motors, but mine treated me great, (the motor was 12 years old when i got it) loved the boat and the motor. had alot of fun on that boat, me and my wife have said that we wish we still had it.

rybovich18
11-15-2007, 07:51 AM
I learned how to ski behind a 1976 Chrysler 130 hung on a 19' tri-hull Marquis. My dad was a cheap old guy - he'd buy the Chrysler instead of the Johnson/Evinrude (remember in the 70's it was Mercury, OMC and Chrysler). It actually held up pretty well - never left us stranded! I always wondered what ever happened to that boat.

ktm_2000
11-15-2007, 08:17 AM
I have a 1965 Chrysler 75 that sits on a 16' Penn Yan runabout that will still runs strong....... Never had any trouble with it

doughnut
11-15-2007, 09:39 AM
I had a Quichitaw (spelling?) bass boat with STICK steering and a Chrsyler OB. That thing ran FLAWLESSLY for years , but was not a Merc eater by a long shot. Man I loved that crappy boat. I probably thought I was Roland Martin or something. LOL, memories, DANG getting old sucks!!!!

evernic
11-15-2007, 10:17 AM
we had an 80 hp west bend...1962...that was before chrys. bought them...it was prone to trouble...electrical mostly...we had a 1970 105 hp chrysler on a 19 ft runabout...those in SoFla. may remember beeline...price point boats...motor ran great...was prone to a lot of corrosion from salt water tho...sold that to but first CC a 19ft cobia with a 115 merc inline 6...that was one great motor...over 4000 hrs...sold it to a fishing buddy who put another 500 hrs before he sold it...fishing buddy bought a 1973 aquasport 19-6 CC with a 105 chrysler...he wasn't a boater and sold it after 6 mos. of learning how much upkeep was involved... and yes chrysler did become force... :thumbsup:

Alasken
11-15-2007, 01:52 PM
In 1979 I bought a new 16' fiberglass tri-hull walkthrough with a 1970 70 hp Chrysler. I lived near a fresh water lake in New Mexico.I never did a thing with that motor except run the carbs dry after EVERY use. I changed the lower unit oil every 5 or 6 years. I had to pre mix the oil. I went replaced the"computer" module once. I put about 300+ hours on it every summer pulling skiers. In 1998 I moved to Alaska and gave the boat to my boys who still use it every summer. It will still pull a skier and we still do nothing except plugs and LU oil once in a while. Over the last 25 years we had to replace all the fuel lines as they disintegrated and started to fill the carbs up with little pieces of rubber. I replaced one carb and rebuilt all three a couple of times. I guess I was lucky because that was the best motor I haveever used. I rode it hard and put it up wet. Ithink one key was running the fuel dry every time to keep the varnish out of the carbs and fuel system.

Jettywolf
11-15-2007, 03:17 PM
Saw one on the back of an old beat up riveted Aluminum boat about 21 foot yesterday....the boat, the engine and the occupance looked as if they just came out of some redneck resort community (trailer park) on the west side of Jacksonville.

It ran, because they needed it too as they would anchor up and with a cider block right next to the jetty rocks (10 ton granite boulders) and have every wake thrown by every commercial or ghetto cruiser toss them into the rocks.

They followed me one time and ran over my buddies line as we fished....yes they were inconsiderate too.

Look for the worst trailer park in your entire area, and you may find just what your looking for.

That's where I'd start here in J-ville.

Coconut Sunrise
11-15-2007, 08:31 PM
My friends dad bought a 18 foot SEA Breeze with a 55 chrysler in south fl and brought it home, ran
poorly that year and stayed in the shop. next year he put a 100 hp V4 johnson !!!! that thing walked the dog !!!

Force and Bayliner !!! what a combo !!!!

ABoater
11-15-2007, 10:31 PM
Yeah, they started out life as West Bend's, then Chrysler's, then Bayliner bought them and called them Force, and then Mercury's.

They were also sold at Monkey Wards under the Sea King brand. Only up to 55HP as I recall. Wards used to sell 14 to 16' runabouts and used them for power.

I still remember our local Chrysler dealer having the Chrysler boats and motors on his showroom. They also sold the parts for them. I still have a few of their brochures floating around here somewhere.

Chrysler made and sold I/O's too. Mostly in their own brand boats though.

Coork
11-16-2007, 06:01 AM
http://www.chryslercrew.com/

Seacat FL
11-16-2007, 07:34 AM
I remember briefly considering buying a Chrysler sail boat back about 1977.

Haven't seen one of those lately.

jwss
11-16-2007, 09:39 AM
Friend and his wife had one back in the 70s. One day they stopped on a sand bar and ate lunch. Jr. got back in to fire up the boat and squeezed the fuel line primer bulb. It didn't pump up firm so he continued pumping for awhile before starting the engine. Turned the key and the engine exploded splitting the engine cowling into two flaming pieces with one piece flying by his head close enough to feel the flames off it. He reached under the seat for the fire x only to find it had been stolen. Next he and his wife did the thing with throwing sand on the engine to extinguish the flames. Turns out the fuel pump had a leaking gasket.

I asked Jr. if he would get another Chrylser and he said, "You know other than that it was a really good engine."

I guess Chrsler guys were really forgiving also.

wmalloy382
11-16-2007, 09:53 AM
jwss - 11/16/2007 8:39 AM

Friend and his wife had one back in the 70s. One day they stopped on a sand bar and ate lunch. Jr. got back in to fire up the boat and squeezed the fuel line primer bulb. It didn't pump up firm so he continued pumping for awhile before starting the engine. Turned the key and the engine exploded splitting the engine cowling into two flaming pieces with one piece flying by his head close enough to feel the flames off it. He reached under the seat for the fire x only to find it had been stolen. Next he and his wife did the thing with throwing sand on the engine to extinguish the flames. Turns out the fuel pump had a leaking gasket.

I asked Jr. if he would get another Chrylser and he said, "You know other than that it was a really good engine."

I guess Chrsler guys were really forgiving also.

Pretty funny, But can you really blame the engine for a leakly fuel line? Sounds like up- keep.

BTW, good or bad, Those old Chrysler engines did look cool.

wetspot
11-16-2007, 10:09 AM
We had a 20ft Chrysler Hydro-Vee boat and a 135hp Chrysler OB. The one thing these engines had going for them was their light weight. We had quite a bit of touble with electrical issues (coils, magneto, ...) and it did not like to idle, even when new. In the end the engine lost a piston (stuck rings) and a year later the hull split at the V of the bow. Poor glass to resin ratio. Overall it allowed us to go boating for ~25% less than the cost of a Grady with Johnson or Merc but it was not a high quality boat & motor.

As with anything, you get what you pay for and you buy what you can afford!

crparmelee
11-16-2007, 03:14 PM
I had a Chrysler 105 in the 70's on a Wellcraft V20. The motor had constant problems, mostly related to salt water operation. They worked pretty well in fresh water but were a nightmare in salt water. I retired the 105 when the water jacket corroded to the point I could stick a screwdriver through the block. It was about 6 years old.

BigosS
11-16-2007, 04:32 PM
We used to see the Chrysler outboards back in the late 70's and early 80's when I was a marine mechanic. We had one at the marina that had thrown the middle rod but amazingly it still ran. I think the Merc-eater myth came from the feeling that Mercs were such junk back then, almost anything was better than a Merc, even a Chrysler. Our marina refused to work on Mercs back then because everything would fall apart during disassembly. They may have been fine in fresh water but salt water turned them to junk real quick (the Mercs).

cws
11-16-2007, 08:18 PM
In 1972 my dad bought a new Glastron 156 (trihull) with a new 70 Chrysler on it. We kept it on a lift, during the summer we would cut someone’s grass for $3 and go buy 6 gallons of gas. Dad always bought the oil to make sure we used good oil. We would spend the afternoon skiing and running around Skyes Creek. It seemed to have plenty of power, it could pull two salmon skiers out of the water. I expect we put hundreds of hours on that engine and never had a problem. The boat was falling apart in the early 90’s when dad gave the boat away. We did flush the engine every time we used the boat, maybe that has something to do with the reliability of the engine.

In hind-site, I wish I could have given my son an opportunity to be out on the water every summer day, like I had.

Craig

Piscator
11-16-2007, 09:23 PM
This brings back a memory. In 1969, while serving a stint at Cam Rahn Bay, I walked down to an officer's club supported Marina (really! - F4 jockies) where they had about ten 17ft (or so) boats powered by 75hp Chrysler engines. Only three were still running. In the back room there were at least eight or nine dead Chrysler outboards. I persuaded the Marina Manager to let me have a go at them, no pay. If I could fix a few, I would get some back pay and free access to the Marina.

These were 3 cyl loop charged if I remember right and all had the same failure mode. They had spit the needle bearings in the big end on at least one cylinder and proceeded to inhale those bits through the ports. In that row of dead motors, I found five or six salvagable blocks, and as many cranks. Some heads were also salvagable by picking out injected needle bearings. Most of the pistons in the bad cylinders were shot. But lots of spares to be had from the unsalvable blocks.

Now, I had never worked on outboards before, but have some proficiency with dirt bike engines. An engine is an engine, at least back in the days of carburators, points and coils. Most of the details are lost in the mists of time, but I did get at least four or five of those engines back into operation. And a whole fleet of ski boats back on the water.

So, on my off duty hours, which could be few and far between, I got on the water. Skiing around the jellyfish and once or twice taking a Sunfish across the bay... ah, not to close to the other side though. Even went scuba diving once.

flotco
11-16-2007, 09:48 PM
Had a 15' Chrysler Mutineer sailboat. Never had any engine problems as there was no engine. Actually a well designed center board day sailer.

Inspector62
11-16-2007, 09:52 PM
They did NOT have a very good reputation. They did become Force, which had an equally bad reputation.

231Courier
09-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Hey Guys new to the Forum....Just searching around....I have a 78 Chrysler courier 231 (17 foot ski boat).. That I've owned for 10 years...wonderful boat 55 mph handles great...really reliable...due in part of the new I/O mercruiser 165 Chevy straight six cylinder I just put in.Now I am restoring the rest top to bottom...All new wood. tore the floor out last week.
I have some picture i might load up and start a thread.

mike carrigan
09-16-2009, 05:04 AM
My friends dad bought a 18 foot SEA Breeze with a 55 chrysler in south fl and brought it home, ran
poorly that year and stayed in the shop. next year he put a 100 hp V4 johnson !!!! that thing walked the dog !!!

Force and Bayliner !!! what a combo !!!!

The 18 SEABREEZE became the 1st 17 PRO-LINE, 1968.
Good design for the grass flats in Crystal River.
In 1968, dealer cost on the 18 SEABREEZE hull was $575.00.
If you wanted a canvass top, that was $40.00 more.
The SEABREEZE dealers in Florida during that period, six as I recall, all same ownership, sold the BEEJESUS out of CHRYSLER outboards. Between 400 to six hundred per year per store.
The two cyl models were ok but hard to see 55 H.P. from a two cylinder motor. The four cyl models, however, were pretty good. The 105 was the first outboard to exceed 100 H.P. producing over 25 H.P. per cyl.
When they bought LONE STAR the models they designed were actually designed very well. The HYDRO VEES were very good hulls.
WEST BEND to CHRYSLER to FORCE ("FORCELER").

Fishermanbb
09-16-2009, 05:45 AM
My first boat was given to me by my grandmother when my grandfather passed away - I was 10. It was a 15' Sea Breeze with a 45 HP Chrysler. When we got it up to NY and launched it the boat would not plane. My grandmother said that was the way it always was. I decided to mess around with it one day and put a wrench on the plug wire and it suddenly sounded different. Took it out and away it went. When my grandmother came for a visit I took her for a ride and she wanted the boat back-- said it was too fast for me....The motor was a POS...And basically so was the boat....But I had tons of fun with it and went through 3 motors before I finally sold it.....GREAT memories!!

mike carrigan
09-16-2009, 06:00 AM
My first boat was given to me by my grandmother when my grandfather passed away - I was 10. It was a 15' Sea Breeze with a 45 HP Chrysler. When we got it up to NY and launched it the boat would not plane. My grandmother said that was the way it always was. I decided to mess around with it one day and put a wrench on the plug wire and it suddenly sounded different. Took it out and away it went. When my grandmother came for a visit I took her for a ride and she wanted the boat back-- said it was too fast for me....The motor was a POS...And basically so was the boat....But I had tons of fun with it and went through 3 motors before I finally sold it.....GREAT memories!!

I was spinning wrenches in St. Pete, on a lunch break, when a customer asked me about a used 15' SEABREEZE that we had. I sold it to them for $795.00 boat, motor and trailer w/ a 35 H.P. Merc. Was probobly a year old or so. Name on the side of the boat was "DUCKY".
Should have stuck to spinning wrenches..........
The 15' SEABREEZE was a SPAN AMERICA "pop", maybe about "61" or so.

spcoolin
09-16-2009, 07:30 AM
The 18 SEABREEZE became the 1st 17 PRO-LINE, 1968.
Good design for the grass flats in Crystal River.
In 1968, dealer cost on the 18 SEABREEZE hull was $575.00.
If you wanted a canvass top, that was $40.00 more.
The SEABREEZE dealers in Florida during that period, six as I recall, all same ownership, sold the BEEJESUS out of CHRYSLER outboards. Between 400 to six hundred per year per store.
The two cyl models were ok but hard to see 55 H.P. from a two cylinder motor. The four cyl models, however, were pretty good. The 105 was the first outboard to exceed 100 H.P. producing over 25 H.P. per cyl.
When they bought LONE STAR the models they designed were actually designed very well. The HYDRO VEES were very good hulls.
WEST BEND to CHRYSLER to FORCE ("FORCELER").

Mike...Are you talking the LynCraft Seabreeze 18 ?

We had many of those around here for decades...Still see a few...
I remember one being towed in to the marina (underwater) on a rough day in Tampa Bay when I was a kid...When they got it out of the water it had about a 18" hole thru the bottom...

Boat Mart here also sold the crap out of what they advertised as "Sweet 16 Specials"... $1695...16' Seabreeze Tri Hull boat, 35 Chrysler & Trailer...

They just threw the motor on the boat (right out of the box) with a 6 gal fuel tank, line & battery...No setup what so ever...

If you can imagine...Yeah there were a lot of unhappy customers...
Undersized motor, Not propped for the job, and no timing, carb pic up point, or mixture adjustments in water...Just see if it fires & send it out.

Back then I could make a Chrysler 105 idle at 550 rpm in gear and it near as quiet as these motors today...On a 17' Hydro Vee it would literally Jump out of the water and run around 40 mph...

Every 3 cyl Chrysler I ever repaired would blow the windshield off of the competition's like rated horsepower model...Especially out of the hole...
That's one of the reasons why Water Ski shows (Like the famous Cypress Gardens) used Chrysler...They were larger bore than the competition...More Displacement...Better Hole Shot.

They did have some problems with the first CD ignitions...But who didn't back then ?
At least with the Chrysler's distributor & points, you could go back to a straight coil/condenser setup....They ran fine that way too...Just burnt points more often than with the CD box because with the box, the points only carried milliamps...Not much arcing that way...

Otherwise when setup properly...They were super reliable, and tough too...

I also had a 45 given to me from another shop (60's West Bend style) that I put the powerhead on a newer style leg...That motor on my little 13.5 fiberglass V bow runabout out performed a previous 40 Jon/Rude & a 65 Merc...The Merc had faster top end but no Hole Shot...

That 45 flew off the transom at WOT on my first ride into Tampa Bay...Showing off to one of the girls from the office I took for a ride...I was too much in a hurry to take her out to bolt it down, and figured the 40 Jon/Rude never was...It didn't even have the holes to do so...

Well it was dangling by the control cables, and after I had retrieved the cover that flew about 200 yards away...I hoisted it back up on the transom, popped the flywheel, dried out the points, spun her a few with the plugs out to blow out the water, drained the carb, pumped her back up...
She fired right up...Not only did she get us home, but ran flawlessly for 5 more years...And I was really rough on that one...Some said Crazy :grin:
But that was long ago....

I do however remember rigging a Chrysler 140 (last of the 4 cyls) on a 24 Proline CC of that era (around 76-78 but the boat was older)...
It was the only Chrysler job I was never happy with...

That boat was pretty flat bottomed, but I remember thinking what a Dog package it was...
Even at the dock that boat handled like a barge...Hard to stop, didn't want to move...Think I called it the "Lead Sled"...To this day I don't know if the hull/deck/stringers were saturated or what...But it sure wouldn't perform at the dock or underway...
That boat needed a V-6...They were just then becoming main stream and quite the amazement for most that had lived with 4 cyls for 20 years...

Steve~

doughnut
09-16-2009, 08:22 AM
I had a 75 on a Quichita Bass boat, that thing was totally reliable, and super torquey. I had a 115 I think on one of those force POS center consoles things as well.

brianm333
09-16-2009, 08:23 AM
My first boat had a 1967 chrysler 130. No power trim or tilt. That was in 1995. Ran like a champ but it snapped the driveshaft in half. Couldnt find a replacement.

mike carrigan
09-16-2009, 08:50 AM
Mike...Are you talking the LynCraft Seabreeze 18 ?

We had many of those around here for decades...Still see a few...
I remember one being towed in to the marina (underwater) on a rough day in Tampa Bay when I was a kid...When they got it out of the water it had about a 18" hole thru the bottom...

Boat Mart here also sold the crap out of what they advertised as "Sweet 16 Specials"... $1695...16' Seabreeze Tri Hull boat, 35 Chrysler & Trailer...

They just threw the motor on the boat (right out of the box) with a 6 gal fuel tank, line & battery...No setup what so ever...

If you can imagine...Yeah there were a lot of unhappy customers...
Undersized motor, Not propped for the job, and no timing, carb pic up point, or mixture adjustments in water...Just see if it fires & send it out.

Back then I could make a Chrysler 105 idle at 550 rpm in gear and it near as quiet as these motors today...On a 17' Hydro Vee it would literally Jump out of the water and run around 40 mph...

Every 3 cyl Chrysler I ever repaired would blow the windshield off of the competition's like rated horsepower model...Especially out of the hole...
That's one of the reasons why Water Ski shows (Like the famous Cypress Gardens) used Chrysler...They were larger bore than the competition...More Displacement...Better Hole Shot.

They did have some problems with the first CD ignitions...But who didn't back then ?
At least with the Chrysler's distributor & points, you could go back to a straight coil/condenser setup....They ran fine that way too...Just burnt points more often than with the CD box because with the box, the points only carried milliamps...Not much arcing that way...

Otherwise when setup properly...They were super reliable, and tough too...

I also had a 45 given to me from another shop (60's West Bend style) that I put the powerhead on a newer style leg...That motor on my little 13.5 fiberglass V bow runabout out performed a previous 40 Jon/Rude & a 65 Merc...The Merc had faster top end but no Hole Shot...

That 45 flew off the transom at WOT on my first ride into Tampa Bay...Showing off to one of the girls from the office I took for a ride...I was too much in a hurry to take her out to bolt it down, and figured the 40 Jon/Rude never was...It didn't even have the holes to do so...

Well it was dangling by the control cables, and after I had retrieved the cover that flew about 200 yards away...I hoisted it back up on the transom, popped the flywheel, dried out the points, spun her a few with the plugs out to blow out the water, drained the carb, pumped her back up...
She fired right up...Not only did she get us home, but ran flawlessly for 5 more years...And I was really rough on that one...Some said Crazy :grin:
But that was long ago....

I do however remember rigging a Chrysler 140 (last of the 4 cyls) on a 24 Proline CC of that era (around 76-78 but the boat was older)...
It was the only Chrysler job I was never happy with...

That boat was pretty flat bottomed, but I remember thinking what a Dog package it was...
Even at the dock that boat handled like a barge...Hard to stop, didn't want to move...Think I called it the "Lead Sled"...To this day I don't know if the hull/deck/stringers were saturated or what...But it sure wouldn't perform at the dock or underway...
That boat needed a V-6...They were just then becoming main stream and quite the amazement for most that had lived with 4 cyls for 20 years...

Steve~

Steve,
You gotta be an old guy!
Johnny Bearveldt owned LYNN CRAFT, named for his wife Evelyn.
Except for one dealer that Johnny retained, all LYNN CRAFT boats were private labeled SEABREEZE, SEABREEZE MARINE CORP, and all sold retail by the BOAT MART organization that grew to about twenty stores.
They also introduced BAYLINER in the state of Florida in about "71" or so.
The 18' SEABREEZE was a very good hull for drawing very little water and that was PRO-LINES original target area, what were then called "Grass Flats Boats". Thus, an 18 SEABREEZE was altered considerably, but the first 17' PRO-LINE center console. I was involved in that.
Your correct, 35 and 40 Johnrudes didn't bolt to the transom. Yours was not an unheard of experiance. Thank God for good, strong, control cables, huh?

finman
09-16-2009, 10:37 AM
we had a 19ft grady w/ a 105 chrysler . boat ran fine as a ski/fishin boat in the salt until the lower unit blew apart . my pop told us to go to college and get a good job and buy our own dam boats

Spooled
09-16-2009, 11:21 AM
we had a 19ft grady w/ a 105 chrysler . boat ran fine as a ski/fishin boat in the salt until the lower unit blew apart . my pop told us to go to college and get a good job and buy our own dam boats

That boat ran great-waterskied fished cruised the whole 9 yards

evernic
09-16-2009, 12:22 PM
Actually they made two decent engines, one was the 85, the 130 or 115 may have been the other. They became the Force brand of outboards.
I remember them and the boats, I was in my 20's... They were not Merc or Johnrude eaters, that's for sure! The styling of the boat would have done well in the fifties as being futuristic, and it was at least better looking than the Evinrude boats of the era.

Was that Florida Dan narrating the video?

They were West Bend b4 they were Chry, b4 they were force...we had a west bend 80hp in 1962...not great/not awful for the times...we had a 105hp chry in 1971...2 yrs npo probs, you HAD to flush every use in SW, thouroughly....:thumbsup:

Ranger88
09-16-2009, 12:54 PM
I mean that second video :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2IE6xg2_U4&feature=related

Ed Wood could have done a better job. You take a 3 min video of a classic outboard, and spend 2:50 looking at traffic on a bridge. I'm sorry, but some people are just so...........no reflection on the OP.....

KeyPineSavage
09-16-2009, 03:34 PM
I mean that second video :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2IE6xg2_U4&feature=related

Ed Wood could have done a better job. You take a 3 min video of a classic outboard, and spend 2:50 looking at traffic on a bridge. I'm sorry, but some people are just so...........no reflection on the OP.....

Hee. I don't know, with that usual awful porpoise/slap of all those overpowered 70's runabouts, I'm not sure he could aim the camera any lower....every time he tried, the "slap" kicked it back up again. :grin:

tommyr904
09-16-2009, 04:30 PM
I have seen this boat on the river and it looks pretty cool,runs pretty quick also

OldPete
09-16-2009, 06:16 PM
IIRC - Dunk use to love old OBs. :D

mike carrigan
09-16-2009, 06:31 PM
IIRC - Dunk use to love old OBs. :D

We all loved old outboards, just like we loved getting towed in all the time.
Deliver the rig on Friday, look for it on Monday morning.
Perhaps, on a Saturday or Sunday, and you always knew it if the customers shoes were sloshing, and if he was pissed off.

CapnDean
09-16-2009, 07:01 PM
The motors did have a bad rep. The sweet thing about them was the simplicity. The 45 was a 2 cyl, 70 was a 3, 105 was a 4 and the carbs were interchangeable. As were the pistons, rods etc.... Eli Whitney would be proud!

mike carrigan
09-16-2009, 07:26 PM
The motors did have a bad rep. The sweet thing about them was the simplicity. The 45 was a 2 cyl, 70 was a 3, 105 was a 4 and the carbs were interchangeable. As were the pistons, rods etc.... Eli Whitney would be proud!

The three and four cyl motors were really pretty good.
The three cly 70 was a terrific outboard motor.

spcoolin
09-16-2009, 08:30 PM
Steve,
You gotta be an old guy!
Johnny Bearveldt owned LYNN CRAFT, named for his wife Evelyn.
Except for one dealer that Johnny retained, all LYNN CRAFT boats were private labeled SEABREEZE, SEABREEZE MARINE CORP, and all sold retail by the BOAT MART organization that grew to about twenty stores.
They also introduced BAYLINER in the state of Florida in about "71" or so.
The 18' SEABREEZE was a very good hull for drawing very little water and that was PRO-LINES original target area, what were then called "Grass Flats Boats". Thus, an 18 SEABREEZE was altered considerably, but the first 17' PRO-LINE center console. I was involved in that.
Your correct, 35 and 40 Johnrudes didn't bolt to the transom. Yours was not an unheard of experiance. Thank God for good, strong, control cables, huh?

I guess I'm an older guy Mike...But I think we have talked about this once...
Maybe I'm not quite as "experienced" as yourself but I have been around a-while...(Remember we talked about Plant HS & Your buddies)
I do see that Ed now has a 54 Bert at Maximo (Named Medler)...Was there today...

As far as the Seabreeze, Chrysler, BoatMart/Thing....

Yeah...To this day it's a bad taste in my mouth...Only place I EVER got fired from....And I only worked there at the parts counter...Not as the OB mechanic as I was at the time...
I could sure sell accessories like props etc.. (my commission check was bigger than my pay) and they loved it....But I wasn't giving bad advise and the customers were telling them so...It was "All Good"

Why ?....Well...Murph...I guess I'm still not supposed to say his name...Showed up one day...

Anyway...He went next door to the strip club at lunch with the service manager....Hell...I didn't know he wasn't Murph...Everyone in town knew who he was...

So that was it....I never told anyone he was at the Strip Club...Just that he "Murph" had stepped out with the service manager for lunch and would be be back ASAP (a guy had an appointment to sell his boat to them)...Went about my business as the guy waited for their return...
Next day...Service Mgr said..."I know you didn't know" but...Murph is not Murph, and gave me some other name...
End of the pay week I was gone....

Later...The Feds got Murph for Racketeering or some $hit...Thought it couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Yes...United Boat Mart...formerly....Tampa Boat Mart....Chrysler, Lynn Craft/Seabreeze...and later Bayliner dealer/outlet....It's a wonder other than a great sales strategy they made it as long as they did....It sure wasn't due to service after the sale...
Most Chrysler owners that bought from them would try to take their boat elsewhere after an experience with Boat Mart service.

What they did do...Sold boats with Chrysler outboards...Bunches of them...But they NEVER helped a bit of Chrysler's reputation...At least not here...

spcoolin
09-16-2009, 08:55 PM
BTW...Teleflex/Morse cables do seem to be Very Strong !!!
That motor was an...Angry Monster really quick !!!

It's a good thing it didn't try to jump "IN" the boat with us....WOW....That could have been....Well we don't want to think about that at like 10,000 rpm or so with no load...

But you don't think about that stuff when you are trying to get into the office girls pants....Dam she was cute :grin:

I think I was doing 10 grand myself at the time :bashhh:

Steve~

mike carrigan
09-17-2009, 11:05 AM
I guess I'm an older guy Mike...But I think we have talked about this once...
Maybe I'm not quite as "experienced" as yourself but I have been around a-while...(Remember we talked about Plant HS & Your buddies)
I do see that Ed now has a 54 Bert at Maximo (Named Medler)...Was there today...

As far as the Seabreeze, Chrysler, BoatMart/Thing....

Yeah...To this day it's a bad taste in my mouth...Only place I EVER got fired from....And I only worked there at the parts counter...Not as the OB mechanic as I was at the time...
I could sure sell accessories like props etc.. (my commission check was bigger than my pay) and they loved it....But I wasn't giving bad advise and the customers were telling them so...It was "All Good"

Why ?....Well...Murph...I guess I'm still not supposed to say his name...Showed up one day...

Anyway...He went next door to the strip club at lunch with the service manager....Hell...I didn't know he wasn't Murph...Everyone in town knew who he was...

So that was it....I never told anyone he was at the Strip Club...Just that he "Murph" had stepped out with the service manager for lunch and would be be back ASAP (a guy had an appointment to sell his boat to them)...Went about my business as the guy waited for their return...
Next day...Service Mgr said..."I know you didn't know" but...Murph is not Murph, and gave me some other name...
End of the pay week I was gone....

Later...The Feds got Murph for Racketeering or some $hit...Thought it couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Yes...United Boat Mart...formerly....Tampa Boat Mart....Chrysler, Lynn Craft/Seabreeze...and later Bayliner dealer/outlet....It's a wonder other than a great sales strategy they made it as long as they did....It sure wasn't due to service after the sale...
Most Chrysler owners that bought from them would try to take their boat elsewhere after an experience with Boat Mart service.

What they did do...Sold boats with Chrysler outboards...Bunches of them...But they NEVER helped a bit of Chrysler's reputation...At least not here...

Well, it's not prudent for me to comment.
You did say a couple things that reminded me of some stuff that did make me laugh, not at you, with you.
Yes, we did have conversations.
My apologies, I just failed to put your name with the conversations we had.
Yep, you know your way around the neiborhood quite well.
VERY BEST REGARDS!
Mike

itwonder
09-17-2009, 02:01 PM
The '79 115 Chrysler still pushes my good 'ole '67 Winner Marathon along pretty well. I did blow up the original '68 75 Chrysler back in '78 pulling water skiers a little too hard. ;)

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