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markw
10-16-2007, 07:25 AM
In an ideal world there would be a vehicle that gets 30 MPG and can tow a 6000lb boat and trailer. I need something that I'm not going to tear the transmission out of and is heavy enough tow at highway speeds. But I would like to stay as fuel effiecient as possible. What is the best SUVs out there that can do the job?


truculenity
10-16-2007, 08:01 AM
buy a used suburban or tahoe, then buy a civic....

Tuna Colada
10-16-2007, 08:10 AM
The new Tahoe/Yukon Hybrids are supposed to get at least 20mpg hwy or city and tow 6000 lbs max.

The Mercedes GL320cdi (diesel) tows 7500 pound and gets 24 hwy and 18 city.


A Few Dollars
10-16-2007, 08:21 AM
Tahoe

csvencer
10-16-2007, 08:44 AM
Whats your budget? I think the Jeep Liberty CRD's were rated at 6500LBS and will be much cheaper then anything else suggested.

-Svence

A Few Dollars
10-16-2007, 08:51 AM
I don't see a Liberty pulling 6500 lbs. Much less stopping 6500 lbs.

c_mccann
10-16-2007, 08:55 AM
There is no way to tow 6000 lbs safely with a vehicle that can get 30mpg. But you knew that.... A 1/2 ton full size truck is the minimum that you could get away with- it is all about wheelbase, weight and brakes. Gotta have all three, or else it isn't safe. I tow with an Expedition and it is the bare minimum to tow my 7000# rig. Gets 15-16mpg around town. I am a Ford fan, as both of my GMC's were under braked severely and the trannys were fragile. I tried to tow 4500# with an Explorer once, as it's rated for over that amount, the truck was too light, the thing felt like it was rolling on jello- so the rating posted for vehicles is meaningless. How much do you tow?

OldBay
10-16-2007, 08:55 AM
My 04 Tahoe gets almost 10 mpg towing 5,000 pounds on the highway.

kitebuz
10-16-2007, 09:32 AM
Tahoe/Yukon Hybrid due out this fall as stated above - rated at 6k lbs, is @ the closest you will get. I like that your city mileage improves @ 40% w/ the hybrid system, & claims are 21/21 city/hwy. Great looking rig to me.

You can't even buy a diesel Liberty new in some states as it doesn't meet certain emission standards (don't know @ the Merc.) - not sure I agree w/ that logic, as the fuel efficiency (&torque) of the smaller diesels is great.

ranger230man
10-16-2007, 09:51 AM
Get a suburban, mine (2005) tows much better than my 2003 tahoe - added wheelbase makes a big difference. I get about 11-12 MPG towing @ 65 MPH. When not towing, I get between 18-21 on the hwy depending on speed (55-75). I installed a K&N air filter ~$50 and saw 1.5-2.5 better MPG and slightly more power.

The Jeep Liberty Diesel is supposed to be done away with from what I understand, the Mercedes ML has a short wheelbase and don't think it's rated for over 5K towing - the new GL might be higher but you are talking 10-15K more than a loaded Suburban. I've not had any experience with the Expedition.

Afishinado
10-16-2007, 09:55 AM
Tuna Colada - 10/16/2007 11:10 AM................. The Mercedes GL320cdi (diesel) tows 7500 pound and gets 24 hwy and 18 city.

A friend of mine just got one of these, beautiful car. I took it for a 1/2 mile ride, very sweeeeeet... and it thad some real balls! I was really surprised, and it was quiet too.... Unfortunately, I know he had to have lied to me about getting it for $47k

wellcraft290
10-16-2007, 09:59 AM
crd cherokee I just watched the review on motorweek and tows over 7k and 1 second off the speed of a hemi cherokee and gets great gas mileage. Would buy but can't in NY

iFishMD
10-16-2007, 10:08 AM
2wd chevy with 5.3l

Mu burb with 3.73 gets about 18mpg on the highway

My quad cab silverado gets 19-20 hwy with 3.23 rear (my daily driver and I avg 17-18 combined hwy and city)

The silverado is a bit of a dog with 6k (likes to downshift on slight rades) but the burb is great!

Make sure you get the g80 locking diff with the 2wd

Surfhunter
10-16-2007, 01:10 PM
V8 4 Runner is ratted at 7300 with a Weight Distribution Hitch, 5K with normal receiver. Mine is 2wd and is gets 20 MPG hwy and 17-18 around town.

troutpioneer
10-16-2007, 01:32 PM
the jeep grand cherokee v8 or a 4-runner v8 are two that tow well w/out having to get a full size.

solarfry
10-16-2007, 05:42 PM
04'Chev 2500HD 9200GVWR ExtCab LongBed 6L GAS tow pack
carrying an 04' Lance slide on camper (3200#) also tow'g 15' boat
13.2mpg/w TC @ 55MPH , 12 mpg @ 65-69 mph. 10@70mph. 8@75.

Carrying and also Towing 6000# boat @ 60mph - 13mpg, 69mph 11.5 mpg
measured over 26,000 miles of travel..

Andy
10-16-2007, 05:59 PM
check out the new 2008 Pathfinder V6. It is rated for 6000 lbs.

In all of my research for a new SUV, the Pathfinder is the only V6 rated this high. Most V6's are only rated for 5000 lbs so if you want to get to 6000 you usually have to go with a V8 which will usually get you to the 7000+ lb arena. Kiss the mpg's goodbye on the 8's.

I just got my Pathfinder 2 weeks ago. I have not towed with it yet so I cannot comment. As far as fuel mileage goes - it is speced out around the 15 - 22 range.

Andy

iFishMD
10-16-2007, 06:33 PM
While gas mileage is important... SO IS WHEEL BASE ;) :Q :grin: :grin:

msilva4
10-16-2007, 06:41 PM
The liberty diesel is no longer available new last year made was 06
I owned a 05 had lots of problems with it
Don't recall the tow weight since I use a Suburban to tow
the new Grand Cherokee diesel seems like a good option I think its over $45k

EODContender
10-16-2007, 07:01 PM
A diesel Ford Excursion by far. It will outperform anything listed above. Not in production anymore, but finding a nice used one is easy and well worth the effort.

jenkinsph
10-16-2007, 08:19 PM
To tow safely you need a medium sized vehicle and longer wheelbase. The little low power vehicles will not last towing 6000
lbs. Much better to get a good used vehicle for towing and an economy vehicle for daily commutes. Another thing to consi-
der is get out a calculator and add up the miles you drive to compare the added costs of a larger vehicle compared to the
smaller one. You may find that it is not that big of an issue. At least not compared to keeping a boat maintained.



Steve

iFishMD
10-16-2007, 08:21 PM
2 words-- 6000# = FULL SIZE ;)

(forget the mid size)

jenkinsph
10-16-2007, 08:35 PM
B-Faithful, You are right but my idea if a small tow vehicle is a half ton, a medium is a 3/4 on sigle wheel. I was towing a 6500#
trailer today behind my Ford F550 makes towing a peice of cake.



Steve

Mr. Demeanor
10-16-2007, 08:47 PM
I dont think a hybrid is going to be a good choice for towing. They already have two seperate propulsion systems that not only have to work seperatley but also in unison. I would see what happens with the small diesel market. That being said, I think 30mpg and towing 6k is a dream. I have a diesel Jetta that gets mid 30's around town and pushes 50mpg (mid 40's real world) on the highway but wont get out of its own way.

Mr. Demeanor
10-16-2007, 08:49 PM
PS. My combo is a gas sucking hemi for towing offset by the Jetta that gets driven everywhere. I love the car.

troutpioneer
10-16-2007, 09:05 PM
my prev tow vehicle was also a gas sucking hemi. it was replaced by a gas sucking 4.7 grand cherokee limited. the truck towed better (quadcab ram) but the jeep's about 3' shorter and my wife dont mind driving it if she needs to. i dont have to tow far though, about 2 miles. the main reason i go the jeep was for the occasional trip up to the mountains. last time we went i had issues in the truck getting to a cabin in the snow so i decided i needed a 4x4. of course i've not been back there since, so it doesnt even really matter. its funny how one little incedent can make a guy re-think what he needs. ;)

this thread is almost funny...using 'towing' and 'mpg' in the same sentence.

jenkinsph
10-16-2007, 09:16 PM
My way of economizing is not to have an economy vehicle but instead make fewer BS trips everywhere. I am humored by
the people that are always going somewhere all the time. Glad that I am passed all of that.

All of that being said the OP needs to make sure that the vehicle chosen can safely handle the boat and has mirrors that
will allow him to see well when on the road. How many vehicles less than full size allow you to see well enough to tow
a trailer 102" wide?



Steve

Fishin_J
10-18-2007, 01:11 PM
I think my grand cherokee is rated for something like 6500# maybe a little higher. It could probably tow that, but would not be safe. I tow a 3500# boat and that is about the limit I would be comfortable with in this vehicle. Even with trailer brakes, you know it is back there when you have to brake hard. And I get an honest 11 mpg @ 65 mph. Definitely not economical.

romanonj
10-18-2007, 01:14 PM
2005 + Nissan Pathfinder....

MattH
10-18-2007, 01:59 PM
No smaller than a tahoe, I pulled my HS that weighs about 7K loaded with it very sparingly (flat, a few miles to the ramp) and didn't like it, but it would do it. Got into a few tough spots with slippery ramps, god bless 4WD.

jenkinsph
10-18-2007, 02:23 PM
I was pulling a 7,000 lb trailer this morning and had some windshield time to think about this thread, For good safe towing
go for a 3/4 ton pickup with the cab of your choice, My diesel 250 gets 20mpg highway 15 mpg city and 12 mpg towing the
7,000 lb trailer over 320 miles round trip. If you put 1,000 miles a month on it with light service it is cheaper to buy the
extra fuel than to have a separate tow vehicle. Keep in mind that the wear and tear on an undersized vehicle towing a
heavy trailer will be costly. If you figure 25 mpg city for 1000 miles is 40 gals and 15 mpg city for 1000 miles is 67 gals,
then you are saving 27 gallons a month. That is $100 a month at $3.70 a gallon fuel cost. Seems reasonable to me.


Steve

Hydro
10-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Mr. Demeanor - 10/16/2007 9:47 PM

I dont think a hybrid is going to be a good choice for towing. They already have two seperate propulsion systems that not only have to work seperatley but also in unison. I would see what happens with the small diesel market. That being said, I think 30mpg and towing 6k is a dream. I have a diesel Jetta that gets mid 30's around town and pushes 50mpg (mid 40's real world) on the highway but wont get out of its own way.

I have an '07 Highlander hybrid 4wd that gets about 27 mpg on the highway and about 30 mpg in town. I haven't towed anything with it yet, but i have the tow "package" and its only rated for #1500. Still, i wouldn't tow anything over 1000 with it for the reasons cited above. If you want good fuel economy for towing a good sized boat (> #5,000), i would go with a 3/4 ton diesel PU.

Hydro
10-18-2007, 02:49 PM
duplicate post due to slow server - sorry

mole2
10-18-2007, 03:58 PM
My Durango with 4.7L and tow package is rated at 8750 lbs. It tows my 2005 Trophy 2052 4.3L w/hardtop (which fully loaded I estimate at close to 6K lbs) with ease. Of course we don't have large hills here but I don't even know it's back there. It's rated 15 mpg city and I get 13 mpg locally. But I only have 4K miles on it so far. Highway it says 20 mpg. If you feel you need more power you can always go with the hemi.

http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/albums/album529/2006_Durango_and_2005_Trophy_2052.sized.jpg

Seacat FL
10-18-2007, 08:07 PM
mole2 - 10/18/2007 6:58 PM

My Durango with 4.7L and tow package is rated at 8750 lbs. It tows my 2005 Trophy 2052 4.3L w/hardtop (which fully loaded I estimate at close to 6K lbs) with ease. Of course we don't have large hills here but I don't even know it's back there. It's rated 15 mpg city and I get 13 mpg locally. But I only have 4K miles on it so far. Highway it says 20 mpg. If you feel you need more power you can always go with the hemi.

http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/albums/album529/2006_Durango_and_2005_Trophy_2052.sized.jpg




You need the 5.7L Hemi, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle to get the 8,950 lb tow rating on the Durango. The 4.7 V-8, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle get the 7,400 lb tow rating See:
http://www.trailerboats.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2005&make=Dodge&model=durango&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=

I know because I had to look around a lot to find a Durango equipped that for the 8,950 lb rating. I use mine to pull a 26' Pro-Line Walk that weigh out close to 9,000 lbs with fuel, water, gear & trailer. My Hemi Durango tows it fine and will fit in my garage.

:thumbsup:

Hydro
10-19-2007, 04:29 AM
Seacat FL - 10/18/2007 9:07 PM

You need the 5.7L Hemi, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle to get the 8,950 lb tow rating on the Durango. The 4.7 V-8, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle get the 7,400 lb tow rating See:
http://www.trailerboats.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2005&make=Dodge&model=durango&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=

I know because I had to look around a lot to find a Durango equipped that for the 8,950 lb rating. I use mine to pull a 26' Pro-Line Walk that weigh out close to 9,000 lbs with fuel, water, gear & trailer. My Hemi Durango tows it fine and will fit in my garage.

:thumbsup:

What kind of mileage do you get with the hemi?

Seacat FL
10-19-2007, 06:22 AM
About 17 mpg around town, 19 highway.

mole2
10-20-2007, 05:12 PM
Seacat FL - 10/18/2007 8:07 PM

mole2 - 10/18/2007 6:58 PM

My Durango with 4.7L and tow package is rated at 8750 lbs. It tows my 2005 Trophy 2052 4.3L w/hardtop (which fully loaded I estimate at close to 6K lbs) with ease. Of course we don't have large hills here but I don't even know it's back there. It's rated 15 mpg city and I get 13 mpg locally. But I only have 4K miles on it so far. Highway it says 20 mpg. If you feel you need more power you can always go with the hemi.

http://www.baylinerownersclub.org/albums/album529/2006_Durango_and_2005_Trophy_2052.sized.jpg




You need the 5.7L Hemi, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle to get the 8,950 lb tow rating on the Durango. The 4.7 V-8, HD Tow Package and 3.92 axle get the 7,400 lb tow rating See:
http://www.trailerboats.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2005&make=Dodge&model=durango&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=

I know because I had to look around a lot to find a Durango equipped that for the 8,950 lb rating. I use mine to pull a 26' Pro-Line Walk that weigh out close to 9,000 lbs with fuel, water, gear & trailer. My Hemi Durango tows it fine and will fit in my garage.

:thumbsup:

I stand corrected. :) I was looking on the Dodge site - but you are correct. My rating is 7400 lbs which is still substantial and more than enough for my towing. Thanks for the correction.

Seacat FL
10-21-2007, 12:47 PM
Nice looking rig!

captfearless
10-30-2007, 07:15 PM
Mole, I also have a 2007 Durango, 5.7L HEMI. I love the vehicle but city driving gets me 12 mpg. Only have 2000 miles on it, but really don't expect much improvement in mpg.

How much trouble was it to install the push-brush bars on the front of the Durango. More armor for the beast. They look pretty good. And what brand are they?
:thumbsup:
Thanks,
Fearless

JerryV
10-30-2007, 07:35 PM
Current:
VW Toureg V10TDI, find a used one 7700lb towing capacity 25-26 mpg highway, new is like 80K
GL 320 CDI (this thing is awesome)
Cherokee V6 CDI same as above

Future:
Tahoe V8 Diesel 500+lbs of torque
VW Toureg V6TDI 400+lbs of torque
BMW Biturbo diesel 400+lbs of torque close to 500lb of torque
Honda is developing a V6 for there SUV line (they claim no after treatment like the benz)
all future diesels not until 2009 most likely.

All should be in the mid to high 20's on the highway.
30 mpg doesn't exist and will most likely not exist for a 6000lb towing capacity.

M1911
10-31-2007, 05:40 AM
"Most V6's are only rated for 5000 lbs so if you want to get to 6000 you usually have to go with a V8 which will usually get you to the 7000+ lb arena. Kiss the mpg's goodbye on the 8's."

Your mileage will be just about equally bad. For example, the Toyota 4Runner comes with either a V6 or V8. The V6 gets all of about 1 mpg better than the V8.

The best suggestion was made much earlier in the thread. Get a used Suburban, Expedition, pickup, and use a small car (Civic, Corolla, Fit) as your everyday commuter.

gw204
10-31-2007, 07:20 AM
Jeep doesn't make anything (besides the Commander) that's physically big enough to tow 6000 lbs...

I used to tow an old 20' Grady CC with my '00 XJ Cherokee. Full loaded, I calc'ed the total weight towed at 4500. That XJ had all the power it needed from the 4.0 I-6, but stopping and highway stability were questionalbe.

FYI Daimler Chrysler - Bring back the 4.0/AW4 combo and put it in a good looking mid size pickup (not the Dakota). You'll corner the market.... :)

cptwzrd
10-31-2007, 04:38 PM
Ford F250 crew cab 6.0 diesel with 5 speed automatic & with overdrive 22-24 mpg @ 65 mph not towing, 17- 19 mpg @ 65mpg towing 5500 boats of boat,moter trailer and 100 gals of fuel. make a trip a few times a year 500+ miles each way (except don't transport with full fuel when i can help it). From an SUV perspective a Ford Expedition outfitted the same would offer comparable performance. The packages mentioned would easily tow 12,000 lbs. you can tow 6000 lbs with a vehicle rated at 7000 pounds but I gurantee you will know it's back there especially when going up and down hills. it will be hard to climb and even harder to stop even though you'll have trailer brakes. With the larger vehicle you won't know it's back there. when it in doubt bigger is better....towed the same boat/motor combo with dodge 5.8 van, Ford 5.0 F150 and finally found the F250 diesal as the best performance hands down IMHO.

good luck

Inspector62
10-31-2007, 05:02 PM
One word - Diesel.

My Dodge truck gets 21 mpg at 70 mph (30 mpg at 55 mph) and can tow 13,000 lbs. The Chevy's do even better, but cost a lot more. Wouldn't touch a diesel Ford right now with their diesel engine problems.

BTW - I get 12 to 14 mpg towing a 7,000 lb rig at 70 mph.

Also - NO I don't hate Ford at all - I just wouldn't buy one until I'm positive their engine problems are solved.

kitebuz
11-01-2007, 05:52 AM
For a smaller SUV, I think the Jeep Grand Cherokee CDI looks interesting - same engine as in the Mercedes, just less $$. The VW is nice, but crazy expensive. Looks like you could get a lightly used jeep for mid to low $30's - 2007 was the 1st year and they are rated for a little over 7k lbs towing. Mileage is stated at 18/22 - not terrible, although not much better than my '04 Ford Excursion 6.0 diesel which goes @ 15/20 on ave. That, and you can pull 11,000lbs with 8 people comfortably seated. I hardly know my 6k lb boat is back there - even w/out trailer brakes. I think the F250 trucks (w/ some kind of bed cover) do even better as they are a bit lighter gross weight.

I don't know though - all said & done, I just saw a 24 month lease deal for a Ford F150 crew cab for $289/month, no $ down. That's pretty short $ for something that can carry 5 people and tow your boat no problem with lots left over for gas money...

mole2
11-01-2007, 06:45 AM
captfearless - 10/30/2007 7:15 PM

Mole, I also have a 2007 Durango, 5.7L HEMI. I love the vehicle but city driving gets me 12 mpg. Only have 2000 miles on it, but really don't expect much improvement in mpg.

How much trouble was it to install the push-brush bars on the front of the Durango. More armor for the beast. They look pretty good. And what brand are they?
:thumbsup:
Thanks,
Fearless

The brush guard is a Smittybilt and it was part of a liquidation. I picked the stainless steel model up for $249 including shipping. Installation was a snap. I had it on in about 1.5 hours even with a bad back. I too love the vehicle and wish there was better mileage.

erikrs301
11-01-2007, 08:05 AM
30 mpg out of a tow rig that can handle 6K lbs safely?...not gonna happen.

Buy and cheap used full size whatever for towing and get a used Jetta TDI for mileage.

Seacat FL
11-01-2007, 08:26 AM
captfearless - 10/30/2007 10:15 PM

Mole, I also have a 2007 Durango, 5.7L HEMI. I love the vehicle but city driving gets me 12 mpg. Only have 2000 miles on it, but really don't expect much improvement in mpg.

How much trouble was it to install the push-brush bars on the front of the Durango. More armor for the beast. They look pretty good. And what brand are they?
:thumbsup:
Thanks,
Fearless

Something is wrong or you just drive it really hard. I get about 16-17 mpg around town and about 19 on the highway with my '05 5.7l Hemi Durango with the 3.92 axle.

captfearless
11-01-2007, 01:27 PM
Seacat, Engine is running perfect, with excellent power and performance. Maybe as it breaks in, mileage will improve, and I guess I could go a little lighter with with the gas pedal.

Fearless ; cool;

jmcdade@kc.rr.com
02-25-2011, 06:30 PM
Let's face it, there's nothing out there that can tow 6,000 lbs., especially up an incline and get anywhere near 20 mpg. Try anything you want, but it's simply not going to happen. With gas prices once again flirting with $3.50 a gallon (in the midwest), if such a vehicle exised we would all jump on it. Let's hope as the Middle East continues to destabilized, our government will finally allow our scientific community to look at real alternatives to fossil fuels that not only don't pullute our environment, but allow us to pull our toys at reasonable speeds regardless of the incline.

NoFearEyes
02-25-2011, 06:39 PM
Something is wrong or you just drive it really hard. I get about 16-17 mpg around town and about 19 on the highway with my '05 5.7l Hemi Durango with the 3.92 axle.

Same here and my 1005 Durango w'HEMI 5.7 gets 15/16 around town 12+ towing boat

thehonkeykat
02-25-2011, 08:31 PM
i have a vw touareg tdi diesel, full time four wheel drive, weighs approx 7500# plus will tow 7500#, daily i average 24 mpg, will get 26 to 27 on interstate.
jim

thehonkeykat
02-25-2011, 08:34 PM
ps, is a v6, nicely equiped 50,000$

DrewC
02-25-2011, 08:55 PM
Get a used vehicle with a big V8 that can properly tow 6000 lbs and put all the money you saved into gas.

38Blackfin
02-25-2011, 09:16 PM
A diesel Ford Excursion by far. It will outperform anything listed above. Not in production anymore, but finding a nice used one is easy and well worth the effort.

x2.

Put 100,000 miles on an 03 6.0 Eddie Bauer 4x4, I loved it, and I miss it. 18 mpg unloaded, 10-12 mpg hauling & towing.

Randy

surrender
02-26-2011, 05:18 AM
Tahoe/Yukon Hybrid due out this fall as stated above - rated at 6k lbs, is @ the closest you will get. I like that your city mileage improves @ 40% w/ the hybrid system, & claims are 21/21 city/hwy. Great looking rig to me.

You can't even buy a diesel Liberty new in some states as it doesn't meet certain emission standards (don't know @ the Merc.) - not sure I agree w/ that logic, as the fuel efficiency (&torque) of the smaller diesels is great.

My FIL got a Chevy Hybrid pickup. May be "rated" to tow 6000 but it doesnt do it very well. Plus the gas mileage claims are bogus so far, best he has seen is 19 around town where it is supposed to do the best. That number is without towing of course. Hybrid trucks just dont cut it. I have read on some other forums the Toyota Tundra with the 4.7 I force can tow about that much and get decent mileage while not towing.

surrender
02-26-2011, 05:21 AM
Let's face it, there's nothing out there that can tow 6,000 lbs., especially up an incline and get anywhere near 20 mpg. Try anything you want, but it's simply not going to happen. With gas prices once again flirting with $3.50 a gallon (in the midwest), if such a vehicle exised we would all jump on it. Let's hope as the Middle East continues to destabilized, our government will finally allow our scientific community to look at real alternatives to fossil fuels that not only don't pullute our environment, but allow us to pull our toys at reasonable speeds regardless of the incline.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl:

But wasnt it the scientist that came up with Ethanol(more polluting), plastic bags(hell you know how much they suck), ect. Oil is actually very clean burning in the right vehicle, and we have plenty over here.



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