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Sea Balz
08-30-2007, 02:13 AM
Why does Grady White still use marine grade plywood in their stringer system??

Heat, Dampness, and time will cause all wood to rot. A good friend of mine has rotten stringers on his 10 year old 26 ft. CC Grady White. Most of his stringers are gone and have rotted away. The only thing left is the fiberglass that encased those wood stringers. After he noticed the problem he had a Professional Marine Surveyor and a Grady White dealer diagnose the Problem.

I am waiting to hear if Grady will help or do anything for my friend. Why does Grady White use a product that is inferior when so much better technology is available??? Are Grady's overrated and overpriced??????????


kerno
08-30-2007, 02:34 AM
Wow. I am laying low after starting two fights today. This one ought to be good........

ABoater
08-30-2007, 03:14 AM
I was all set to buy their 228 until I found out that they still used wood. I then quickly passed.

They can claim whatever they want about the "lifetime" warranty. I've seen some of the hoops that you have to jump through to collect on those. The wood is guaranteed by the wood MFG, not Grady.

Good luck with that...


Afishinado
08-30-2007, 07:52 AM
I think better sell my 306 Bimini now... Any takers out there? Come get it before it rots to nothing!

Fishing FINattic
08-30-2007, 08:00 AM
It is my understanding that there are advantages and disadvantages to the different types of construction.
The "Wood Free" construction opens up pockets for water to collect, freeze and cause damage.
It is my belief that wood is light and strong, that is why they do it.
What was the sign that indicated he had rotten stringers?
Tim

Capt. Fred
08-30-2007, 08:25 AM
Where's that little popcorn guy?

truepursuit
08-30-2007, 08:39 AM
I think Pursuit still has wood cores in their stringers too. If they are properly sealed for all eternity then no problem.

fat bastaqrd
08-30-2007, 08:51 AM
THE BEST STRINGERS ARE WOOD AND GRADY STRINGERS ARE MORE DURABLE THAN FIBERGLASS STRINGERS. WOOD ABSORBS ENERGY INSTEAD OF PASSING TO THE PASSENGERS AND IS FAR SUPERIOR TO THE CRAP USED BY OTHERS. I DOUBT YOUR STORY AND SUGGEST YOU ARE A LIAR BEING HURT BY THE COMPETITION AND ONE OF THOSE SALESMEN THAT KNOCK THE COMPETION WITH LIES AND FALSE STATEMENTS LIKE YOU ARE DOING NOW. LIAR.

socuban
08-30-2007, 08:57 AM
I should check my stringers ;? Panic sets in.........not :Q

grassguysc
08-30-2007, 08:57 AM
I agree Gradys are junk that will rot soon. Especialy if you have a 22 walk around. So if you have one of those I'll help you out and buy it from you for $5000. Cut your losses and sell it to me before it sinks. :)

revluc
08-30-2007, 09:07 AM
Just read an article in the Sept '07 Power and Motoryacht about all the different materials that are used in cored hulls. Viking Yachts to this day uses end grain balsa.

They seem to stay afloat. ;?

BlueWaterRunner
08-30-2007, 09:13 AM
Pictures of the rot please?

bruce hansen
08-30-2007, 09:32 AM
Another friend looking out for a buddy with boat problems, now GW is going to lose millions in new boat sales if they don't step to the plate and fix this one. Hope he doesn't also have Gel Coat problems.

wmalloy382
08-30-2007, 09:51 AM
Anyone want my 27 year old Grady? It feels really solid, but after reading this.....? I dont know If I can take it offshore shore like I planned this weekend! First guy with10$ can take it!

1bayouboy
08-30-2007, 09:51 AM
I replaced some rotted wood cored engine stringers in my Sailfish (Sportcraft) WAC I/O. There were two fundamental problems. The first was that the bottom of the wood pieces were cut square instead of matching the deadrise, which left a void. The second was that the engine plate mounting bolts were simply straight through as were the blower hose cutouts and several other mounting screws/bolts. So any water that seeped in could get under the wood for the length of the engine mount stringer. They rotted from the bottom up. When I replaced them it was by slicing the tops off and leaving the fiberglass sheels, pouring in epoxe/cabosil to fill the voids, and then regglassing the tops and sides. I drilled out the engine mount plate holes and put in 1" fiberglass rod, glassed over and then drilled through the rod for the mounting bolts. This is so long to illustrate that done correctly, encapsulated wood will last forever IF you don't penetrate the glass and let water in.
And it's about as strong as it gets for a composite. Form cores aren't perfect either...as noted. They can absorb water to and turn to mush over time and with freeze cycles.

grassguysc
08-30-2007, 09:59 AM
wmalloy382 - 8/30/2007 8:51 AM

Anyone want my 27 year old Grady? It feels really solid, but after reading this.....? I dont know If I can take it offshore shore like I planned this weekend! First guy with10$ can take it!

$7.50 and you fill it up :grin:

andyp262
08-30-2007, 10:02 AM
uh oh. first don27 tells me i have no business fishing offshore with a single and now this. what is next? this is surely a sign of the boating apocalypse. seeing how my albemarle has wood stringers AND a wood transom i think it would be best used as an arc one the floods and whatnot begin. im soo screwed

bens2
08-30-2007, 10:02 AM
Sea Balz - 8/30/2007 1:13 AM Why does Grady White still use marine grade plywood in their stringer system?? Heat, Dampness, and time will cause all wood to rot. A good friend of mine has rotten stringers on his 10 year old 26 ft. CC Grady White. Most of his stringers are gone and have rotted away. The only thing left is the fiberglass that encased those wood stringers. After he noticed the problem he had a Professional Marine Surveyor and a Grady White dealer diagnose the Problem. I am waiting to hear if Grady will help or do anything for my friend. Why does Grady White use a product that is inferior when so much better technology is available??? Are Grady's overrated and overpriced??????????



I am sorry for your friend but this isn't anything new with Grady White. I have heard of many of their boats from the 80s and early 90s with a wood rot problem in the transoms and stringers. Plus if your friend or the dealer put some unsealed holes in the deck that just invites water and eventual rot.

I thought they were now using some brand of wood with a lifetime warranty so maybe your friend's boat falls into that category. Grady has a reputation for good customer service so I'm sure they'll do something for him.

Wood is still the strongest core material for boats but it has to be sealed correctly.

Good luck,

Ben

ccat
08-30-2007, 10:30 AM
Nothing wrong with wood in a boat if its sealed properly. I know a charter boat out of hatteras that's built out of regular plywood but its been heavily glassed and no problems.

jawz
08-30-2007, 10:30 AM
Sea Balz - 8/30/2007 1:13 AM

Why does Grady White still use marine grade plywood in their stringer system??

Heat, Dampness, and time will cause all wood to rot. A good friend of mine has rotten stringers on his 10 year old 26 ft. CC Grady White. Most of his stringers are gone and have rotted away. The only thing left is the fiberglass that encased those wood stringers. After he noticed the problem he had a Professional Marine Surveyor and a Grady White dealer diagnose the Problem.

I am waiting to hear if Grady will help or do anything for my friend. Why does Grady White use a product that is inferior when so much better technology is available??? Are Grady's overrated and overpriced??????????



you're asking for trouble on this one...grady owners are gonna slam you to death...truth of the matter is the gradys have a rot problem-plain and simple...the newer rigs are using "greenwood" it has a life time"no rot" warranty...the older hulls used plywood,and they didn't use marine grade plywood-look at the core of any thing that gets removed from a grady,the end grain of the wood will have numerous voids,it's not marine grade...
i've lost count of the gradys with rotting problems i've repaired,and yes,i've got pictures of them...there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...

wood is the best choice for a core material,however,it will rot if it's not sealed properly...grady does a very poor job of sealing the wood core...

and yes a grady is very overpriced as well as overrated...here's a great example,the electrical system on a grady,pick one of the factory harness wires,cut it and then strip the wire....what color is the wire ??? if it's copper,it's standard automotive wire...if it's silver in appearance,it's tinned marine grade wire...now which color is it ??? i know the answer...doubt me ??? do it on your prescious grady,then let me know....
tinned marine grade wire should be on a boat right ??? especially one as expensive and built as well as a grady white right ??? wonder what other corners the grady factory cuts ???

ccat
08-30-2007, 10:36 AM
jawz beware the lynch mob....I looked at Grady Whites and the conclusion i came away with was they are way overpriced. Its a cult following where most are buying the name and not a boat. Better boats for less money out there.

Afishinado
08-30-2007, 10:38 AM
Jimmy
Based on your hundreds of Grady bashing posts, it sounds like if you didn't have Grady's to fix you'd be in a bread line. You should be encouraging, not bashing the brand
:thumbsup:
BTW, the wiring in my '82 was original and in perfect order when I sold it 2 years ago, and the wiring in my 99 hasn't presented a single problem. The switches could be better, some only lasted 7 years where my 82 had most of the originals when I sold it.

Agreene
08-30-2007, 10:44 AM
It's not a grady white problem... all boats that are 15+ years old are likely (not definitely) to have some rot in key areas like the transom, stringers, decks or washboards. When rotting wood is found on a boat it can most likely be traced back to an owner, not the manufacturer, who just drilled some holes, screwed/bolted something down and used GE silicone. Using proper sealants are a must and even reinstalling equipment with new sealant every couple of years is a must. Even better are the people who take the time to oversize drill holes, fill with thickened resin and then screw whatever down...they will never have to worry about water intrusion because there will be no wood for the water to rot.


All in all, I think you are kidding yourself if you think your older boat has zero rot in it and that this "zero" rot is due to the superior manufacturing process of the boat builder. IF your boat has zero rot, you are a very diligent boat owner as well as the person who owned the boat prior to you.

And no I don't own a GW.

jawz
08-30-2007, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE]Afishinado - 8/30/2007 9:38 AM

Jimmy
Based on your hundreds of Grady bashing posts, it sounds like if you didn't have Grady's to fix you'd be in a bread line. You should be encouraging, not bashing the brand
:thumbsup:
BTW, the wiring in my '82 was original and in perfect order when I sold it 2 years ago, and the wiring in my 99 hasn't presented a single problem. The switches could be better, some only lasted 7 years where my 82 had most of the originals when I sold it.[/QUOT

right now,i've got a 23 gulfstream in the shop...it's got a rot problem in the transom,the bracket was painted with copperbased antifouling paint and it's galvanically corroded beyond reuse...this rig has sat out of the water for 5 years,you could've washed your hands from the water that ran from the transom core,when the screws for the transom mount ducers were removed...these older bracket boats,where the rigging for the engines runs from the boat to the engines,that area is NOT sealed...the plywood core is exposed,it will soak up water there...

electrical...well,your idea of perfect and my idea of perfect will probably differ...honda motor company had a print ad,it went like this,a chair was broken,a stick was tied to take the place of the broken chair leg,the caption read "sure it's fixed,but would you sit on it??" this is usually what happens when somone's boat is looked at by someone,like myself,with a considerible amount of knowledge,the defects are pointed out....
i'm certainly not bashing anything,i've pointed out simple facts-there's a huge difference...

wmalloy382
08-30-2007, 10:51 AM
Okay... we've beat up on Regulator...Grady White.. Luhrs ( got them good too bawahahaha! ) All Crap Now!!!

I vote Contender, Viking or maybe Boston Whaler.. people like them too! This will teach people to enjoy their boats!

I think this should go on Until everyone realizes the truth that Bayliner, is indeed , the best boat on the water today.

Who's with me....... !?!?!!!!

Afishinado
08-30-2007, 10:54 AM
Jimmy, You're right, Gradys had a wood rot problem. The good news is they are/were worth fixing unlike most of the other boats that had similar issues.

What are you doin f'n around on a computer in the middle of the day the week before Labor Day?

ccat - 8/30/2007 9:36 AM jawz beware the lynch mob....I looked at Grady Whites and the conclusion i came away with was they are way overpriced. Its a cult following where most are buying the name and not a boat. Better boats for less money out there.

I suppose you're going to tell us now that your Pioneer is better..... :roll

BlueWaterRunner
08-30-2007, 10:58 AM
The problem with beating up a manufacturer for rot when no proof is given hurts this message board here also. People come to a forum like this hoping to get factual information. Pictures don't lie. Did the boat with the rot have screws improperly drilled in the transom?

leebert
08-30-2007, 11:36 AM
How much will it cost me for someone to please take my Marlin off my hands?

LB

CaptKennyW
08-30-2007, 12:30 PM
My 88 GW is solid. I have no complaints...Jimmy is always answering questions on greatrady.com so he does know them well. but it seems like any boat is going to have a problem after a while wheater its the transon, engine, fueltanks, wireing, cracking of the gelcoat, ect, ect thats why they are a constant expence... :thumbsup: I also belive the new GWs are better built that the old ones actually looking at the guts of my boat and then one at the boat show I was suprised but then agian my boat was $55,000 in 1988 a new sailfish is almost $130000 i think.

CaptKennyW
08-30-2007, 12:31 PM
leebert - 8/30/2007 10:36 AM

How much will it cost me for someone to please take my Marlin off my hands?

LB

$20.00
and your worries are gone :grin:

mkus
08-30-2007, 12:38 PM
Come on down to Niantic ct and see how many Grady Whites you see its unbelieveable.

49erJim
08-30-2007, 12:52 PM
leebert - 8/30/2007 10:36 AM

How much will it cost me for someone to please take my Marlin off my hands?

LB Hey I thought you were saving that Marlin for me? :thumbsup:

wmalloy382
08-30-2007, 12:59 PM
mkus - 8/30/2007 11:38 AM

Come on down to Niantic ct and see how many Grady Whites you see its unbelievable.

Same with Greenwich Ct. The border river with Portchester is practically flooded side to side with them

49erJim
08-30-2007, 01:21 PM
wmalloy382 - 8/30/2007 11:59 AM

mkus - 8/30/2007 11:38 AM

Come on down to Niantic ct and see how many Grady Whites you see its unbelievable.

Same with Greenwich Ct. The border river with Portchester is practically flooded side to side with them Are they all for sale?

PJJR
08-30-2007, 01:30 PM
GW started using "no rot", guaranteed for life, marine plywood in '99 - I believe. So they have already addressed the potential problem. Most prior problems were caused by improper installations by owners. Wood is still the best material you can use for both strength and weight. Should they "step up"on a 12 yr old boat ? Whew, that is a stretch - but if anyone would - GW customer service is as good as it gets.

catfoiler
08-30-2007, 01:34 PM
If you want strongest stringers then use steel if it is kept dry and sealed from water. no rust no problems just like wood

2swift
08-30-2007, 01:43 PM
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askibum02
08-30-2007, 01:53 PM
jawz - 8/30/2007 9:30 AM

there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...



Your right Jimmy, my 20 year old boat that happens to be a Grady, that I have owned less than a year has a wet transom. What does that prove? Show me a 20 year old boat that doesn't. I paid an appropriate price for it taking that into account. Other than that I get countless compiments on the boat, and it does what I need to to. Takes me out fishing, and takes my family out cruising. I was told when I had it surveyed, the moisture meter read moisture, and there was no way to quantify it based on that. If your friend, the marine surveyor that I hired, told you something he didn't tell me, then there is a bigger issue there.

It has Ficht Engines too, anyone care to comment on that? If I took everything to heart that I read on THT, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and put myself out of my misery. :banghead:

Afishinado
08-30-2007, 02:26 PM
BlueRidgeRunner - 8/30/2007 9:58 AM The problem with beating up a manufacturer for rot when no proof is given hurts this message board here also. People come to a forum like this hoping to get factual information. Pictures don't lie. Did the boat with the rot have screws improperly drilled in the transom?

I disagree, this helps people selecting boats. Jawz is telling the truth about rotted transoms on old Gradys, and stringers.... Happens to a lot of them, especially up here in the N.E. where most live in the water not on a trailer or lift. It would be the first thing I look for in a 1980s Grady... If it does have the problem, Jimmymakes it better than new fora fewG's.... Other boats with that problem go to the bone yard because so much more of the boat is also shot.

49erJim
08-30-2007, 02:30 PM
askibum02 - 8/30/2007 12:53 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 9:30 AM

there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...



Your right Jimmy, my 20 year old boat that happens to be a Grady, that I have owned less than a year has a wet transom. What does that prove? Show me a 20 year old boat that doesn't. I paid an appropriate price for it taking that into account. Other than that I get countless compiments on the boat, and it does what I need to to. Takes me out fishing, and takes my family out cruising. I was told when I had it surveyed, the moisture meter read moisture, and there was no way to quantify it based on that. If your friend, the marine surveyor that I hired, told you something he didn't tell me, then there is a bigger issue there.

It has Ficht Engines too, anyone care to comment on that? If I took everything to heart that I read on THT, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and put myself out of my misery. :banghead: Why would Jimmy talk crap about boats that hes working on? I am sure his customers don't like this,and it sounds like he is trashing your boat? Jimmy don't do this its not right.

ccat
08-30-2007, 02:38 PM
ccat - 8/30/2007 9:36 AM jawz beware the lynch mob....I looked at Grady Whites and the conclusion i came away with was they are way overpriced. Its a cult following where most are buying the name and not a boat. Better boats for less money out there.

I suppose you're going to tell us now that your Pioneer is better..... :roll[/QUOTE]


Of the 18-20 boats i looked at Grady included i liked it better and so far Ive ran it two trips offshore and i cant find anything i dont like about it. Not saying Grady's arent good boats but there are boats out there that are just as good. So yes my Pioneer is as good as any boat i looked at in this size range Grady included.

jawz
08-30-2007, 02:45 PM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 1:30 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 12:53 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 9:30 AM

there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...



Your right Jimmy, my 20 year old boat that happens to be a Grady, that I have owned less than a year has a wet transom. What does that prove? Show me a 20 year old boat that doesn't. I paid an appropriate price for it taking that into account. Other than that I get countless compiments on the boat, and it does what I need to to. Takes me out fishing, and takes my family out cruising. I was told when I had it surveyed, the moisture meter read moisture, and there was no way to quantify it based on that. If your friend, the marine surveyor that I hired, told you something he didn't tell me, then there is a bigger issue there.

It has Ficht Engines too, anyone care to comment on that? If I took everything to heart that I read on THT, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and put myself out of my misery. :banghead: Why would Jimmy talk crap about boats that hes working on? I am sure his customers don't like this,and it sounds like he is trashing your boat? Jimmy don't do this its not right.


i guess it's not right to tell the truth...right ??? should i lie and tell people that all is great with their boat ???
i quote examples,just as i post pictures to back up what i state,unfortunatley,i don't lie...and i don't see the boating world through rose colored glasses...this is what i do for a living,it's not a hobby...i'm not an assistant dog groomer 5 days a week and on the week end i'm a boating expert...
i've told what i've experienced with these boats,nothing more,nothing less...
"what am i doing on the computer in the middleof the day,the wek before labor day"??? it's called vacation...i allways take thrusday,friday,sat,sun and monday at labor day off....

ccat
08-30-2007, 02:53 PM
What is the warranty on a Grady White hull?

49erJim
08-30-2007, 03:10 PM
jawz - 8/30/2007 1:45 PM

49erJim - 8/30/2007 1:30 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 12:53 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 9:30 AM

there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...



Your right Jimmy, my 20 year old boat that happens to be a Grady, that I have owned less than a year has a wet transom. What does that prove? Show me a 20 year old boat that doesn't. I paid an appropriate price for it taking that into account. Other than that I get countless compiments on the boat, and it does what I need to to. Takes me out fishing, and takes my family out cruising. I was told when I had it surveyed, the moisture meter read moisture, and there was no way to quantify it based on that. If your friend, the marine surveyor that I hired, told you something he didn't tell me, then there is a bigger issue there.

It has Ficht Engines too, anyone care to comment on that? If I took everything to heart that I read on THT, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and put myself out of my misery. :banghead: Why would Jimmy talk crap about boats that hes working on? I am sure his customers don't like this,and it sounds like he is trashing your boat? Jimmy don't do this its not right.


i guess it's not right to tell the truth...right ??? should i lie and tell people that all is great with their boat ???
i quote examples,just as i post pictures to back up what i state,unfortunatley,i don't lie...and i don't see the boating world through rose colored glasses...this is what i do for a living,it's not a hobby...i'm not an assistant dog groomer 5 days a week and on the week end i'm a boating expert...
i've told what i've experienced with these boats,nothing more,nothing less...
"what am i doing on the computer in the middleof the day,the wek before labor day"??? it's called vacation...i allways take thrusday,friday,sat,sun and monday at labor day off.... I am sure you don't lie its just some things are better left UNSAID on a Public Forum. Put yourself in the other persons shoes Jimmy. Can you do this?? Anyway have a nice vacation. :joincc:

askibum02
08-30-2007, 03:18 PM
I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

jawz
08-30-2007, 03:20 PM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 2:10 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 1:45 PM

49erJim - 8/30/2007 1:30 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 12:53 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 9:30 AM

there's a few guys on this site that have had their gradys surveyed,"askibum" is one of them,his rig has a considerible amount of moisture in the transom-read that as it's water logged and rotting,along with the stringer ends...



Your right Jimmy, my 20 year old boat that happens to be a Grady, that I have owned less than a year has a wet transom. What does that prove? Show me a 20 year old boat that doesn't. I paid an appropriate price for it taking that into account. Other than that I get countless compiments on the boat, and it does what I need to to. Takes me out fishing, and takes my family out cruising. I was told when I had it surveyed, the moisture meter read moisture, and there was no way to quantify it based on that. If your friend, the marine surveyor that I hired, told you something he didn't tell me, then there is a bigger issue there.

It has Ficht Engines too, anyone care to comment on that? If I took everything to heart that I read on THT, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and put myself out of my misery. :banghead: Why would Jimmy talk crap about boats that hes working on? I am sure his customers don't like this,and it sounds like he is trashing your boat? Jimmy don't do this its not right.


i guess it's not right to tell the truth...right ??? should i lie and tell people that all is great with their boat ???
i quote examples,just as i post pictures to back up what i state,unfortunatley,i don't lie...and i don't see the boating world through rose colored glasses...this is what i do for a living,it's not a hobby...i'm not an assistant dog groomer 5 days a week and on the week end i'm a boating expert...
i've told what i've experienced with these boats,nothing more,nothing less...
"what am i doing on the computer in the middleof the day,the wek before labor day"??? it's called vacation...i allways take thrusday,friday,sat,sun and monday at labor day off.... I am sure you don't lie its just some things are better left UNSAID on a Public Forum. Put yourself in the other persons shoes Jimmy. Can you do this?? Anyway have a nice vacation. :joincc:

tell me why ??? why is it wrong for me to state exactly what i found wrong or know to be wrong with someon's boat????
the stuff i read on some of these forums is insane...it makes zero sense...there's countless people claiming to be experts,while hiding behind a screen name...i post exactly what i see,and i post under my name,along with the name of my business...and you tell me it's wrong to point out what i see ??? let's think about this for a second...a few guys on this thread have claimed to have no knowledge of g/w ever having a problem with rotting,and that if they do rot,then they're certainly worth fixing...i point out a few things,the rotting issues,and the electrical systems,i bring into a memeber's boat that was surveyed,and found to have a wet transom,the same memebr who contacted me regarding that boat before he puirchased it,and contacted me again after he purchased it,regarding the transom...these are examples...it shows i can back up what i've got to say,unlike quite a few of these other guys....
there's absolutley nothing wrong with me making an example....you're the guy that's wrong...

jawz
08-30-2007, 03:26 PM
askibum02 - 8/30/2007 2:18 PM

I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

you were not "singled out"...i happen to know your boat,and i used it as an example...certainly not singling you out... i was also at the dealership where your boat was purchased the day you called with an electrical issue you were trying to figure out...it's a real small community the marine buisness,we all know each other....

and if you "take everything i have to say with a grain of salt"...then why would you contact me asking for advice on purchasing that rig??? and then why would you again contact me regarding repairing the transom ??? that makes no sense now does it ??? you've implied i really don't know much,right...basically what you said was not to take me seriously,that i really don't know what i'm talking about...interesting...but again,you've contacted me on a few occasions regarding your boat ??? why ??? why contact someone who really shouldn't be taken seriously ???

Bugbuster
08-30-2007, 03:30 PM
I don't care what anybody says. A wood stringer, wood cored boat rides 4 times better than any other material. Period. Although wood does rot, you'll be riding softly until she falls apart. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o48/looker12/tooth.gif

And probably, the more they rot the better they ride. SO...............

JEVLACH
08-30-2007, 03:31 PM
tell me why ??? why is it wrong for me to state exactly what i found wrong or know to be wrong with someon's boat????
the stuff i read on some of these forums is insane...it makes zero sense...there's countless people claiming to be experts,while hiding behind a screen name...i post exactly what i see,and i post under my name,along with the name of my business...and you tell me it's wrong to point out what i see ??? let's think about this for a second...a few guys on this thread have claimed to have no knowledge of g/w ever having a problem with rotting,and that if they do rot,then they're certainly worth fixing...i point out a few things,the rotting issues,and the electrical systems,i bring into a memeber's boat that was surveyed,and found to have a wet transom,the same memebr who contacted me regarding that boat before he puirchased it,and contacted me again after he purchased it,regarding the transom...these are examples...it shows i can back up what i've got to say,unlike quite a few of these other guys....
there's absolutley nothing wrong with me making an example....you're the guy that's wrong...

I, for one, appreciate the candor. I am still one of the members here hoping to learn, although I think I may be in the minority. Over the years on this site, I've seen more and more talkers and less and less listeners.

Jim ;?

askibum02
08-30-2007, 03:32 PM
I didn't purchase it there, it just happened to be stored there for the winter, get your facts straight.:Q The electrical issue was my own fault, not Grady-White's. In my hast to get the batteries switched out, I didn't realize there were 3 grounds on 1 battery. A short phone call to Joe fixed it...

49erJim
08-30-2007, 03:33 PM
jawz - 8/30/2007 2:26 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 2:18 PM

I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

you were not "singled out"...i happen to know your boat,and i used it as an example...certainly not singling you out... i was also at the dealership where your boat was purchased the day you called with an electrical issue you were trying to figure out...it's a real small community the marine buisness,we all know each other....

and if you "take everything i have to say with a grain of salt"...then why would you contact me asking for advice on purchasing that rig??? and then why would you again contact me regarding repairing the transom ??? that makes no sense now does it ??? you've implied i really don't know much,right...basically what you said was not to take me seriously,that i really don't know what i'm talking about...interesting...but again,you've contacted me on a few occasions regarding your boat ??? why ??? why contact someone who really shouldn't be taken seriously ??? Jimmy, If you are saying you did NOT "singled him out" what would you say you did? Looks to me like thats what you did? You named his boat and him as a poster. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? :nono:

jawz
08-30-2007, 03:36 PM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 2:33 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 2:26 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 2:18 PM

I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

you were not "singled out"...i happen to know your boat,and i used it as an example...certainly not singling you out... i was also at the dealership where your boat was purchased the day you called with an electrical issue you were trying to figure out...it's a real small community the marine buisness,we all know each other....

and if you "take everything i have to say with a grain of salt"...then why would you contact me asking for advice on purchasing that rig??? and then why would you again contact me regarding repairing the transom ??? that makes no sense now does it ??? you've implied i really don't know much,right...basically what you said was not to take me seriously,that i really don't know what i'm talking about...interesting...but again,you've contacted me on a few occasions regarding your boat ??? why ??? why contact someone who really shouldn't be taken seriously ??? Jimmy, If you are saying you did NOT "singled him out" what would you say you did? Looks to me like thats what you did? You named his boat and him as a poster. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? :nono:


read what i posted...it explains it pretty well....

Bugbuster
08-30-2007, 03:36 PM
Man these Grady guys are a rowdy bunch. All yaw from S. Alabama or N. Georgia? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o48/looker12/tooth.gif

Schmaltz~Herring
08-30-2007, 03:39 PM
While I don't have WOOD stringers I have FOAM stringers, when I stepped on it my foot went straight through to the outside hull since the layup fiberglass on a Whaler is only 1/8" thick.

Maybe I'll trade it in on a Bayliner or Trophy or worse yet a 'GRADY'

hmossy
08-30-2007, 03:47 PM
Wheres that dam beer man!!!

49erJim
08-30-2007, 03:48 PM
jawz - 8/30/2007 2:36 PM

49erJim - 8/30/2007 2:33 PM

jawz - 8/30/2007 2:26 PM

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 2:18 PM

I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

you were not "singled out"...i happen to know your boat,and i used it as an example...certainly not singling you out... i was also at the dealership where your boat was purchased the day you called with an electrical issue you were trying to figure out...it's a real small community the marine buisness,we all know each other....

and if you "take everything i have to say with a grain of salt"...then why would you contact me asking for advice on purchasing that rig??? and then why would you again contact me regarding repairing the transom ??? that makes no sense now does it ??? you've implied i really don't know much,right...basically what you said was not to take me seriously,that i really don't know what i'm talking about...interesting...but again,you've contacted me on a few occasions regarding your boat ??? why ??? why contact someone who really shouldn't be taken seriously ??? Jimmy, If you are saying you did NOT "singled him out" what would you say you did? Looks to me like thats what you did? You named his boat and him as a poster. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? :nono:


read what i posted...it explains it pretty well.... I did Jimmy, Did you read what you said?? Anyway whatever I guess as long as you tell the truth theres nothing wrong with who you single out. lol Maybe you should have just left out the posters name and just talked about the boat?? No not you cause you never lie. OK Have a nice Vacation. :joincc:

askibum02
08-30-2007, 04:04 PM
and if you "take everything i have to say with a grain of salt"...then why would you contact me asking for advice on purchasing that rig??? and then why would you again contact me regarding repairing the transom ??? that makes no sense now does it ??? you've implied i really don't know much,right...basically what you said was not to take me seriously,that i really don't know what i'm talking about...interesting...but again,you've contacted me on a few occasions regarding your boat ??? why ??? why contact someone who really shouldn't be taken seriously ???

There's nothing interesting about it. When was the last time I contacted you, maybe April? From what I have read of your work, and what I have seen, you do good work. I asked you a couple of questions before I bought the boat, and called you once after I bought the boat. That's where it ends. You come across as a pompus ass on the internet, and go out of your way to try and make people that have Grady's feel like crap because they have water intrusion in their wood. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of coutless others. I realized that and realized it wasn't worth my time to elicit anymore help from you. I expect the truth when I ask a direct question about something. By saying I take what you say with a grain of salt I meant that about your posts on boards like this and greatgrady.com.

My question to you is, did you "tell it like it is" on the internet, numerous times, unsolicited, about Len's boat before he brought it in?

CaptKennyW
08-30-2007, 04:04 PM
askibum02 - 8/30/2007 2:18 PM

I take everything Jimmy says with a grain of salt. I also know that he does know his stuff, and I don't expect him to sugar coat things. For some reason he felt like singling me out, so I expressed my side so everyone got the whole story. :thumbsup:

I think he was trying to give a complment Jimmy...chill.

Lets stop the flame war NOW, those of us who own '80s GWs know what we got I paid 12, 000 for mine no survey maybe thats dumb but I work on boats for a living and my dad knows engines so we wernt totally ignorant to the boats problems...I dont claim to be an expert I know what needs to be done and ask questions and take EVERYTHING I see on a boat forum with a grain of salt. I plan on being the expert on MY boat not everyone elses.

And thank GOD we dont have these wars on the GW forum... :bashhh:

Now then whos going on the beer run??? ;? ;?

askibum02 - 8/30/2007 3:04 PM

My question to you is, did you "tell it like it is" on the internet, numerous times, unsolicited, about Len's boat before he brought it in?

No..in fact he seem very proud to have it in there posting pics on the GW forum and all...

gator1
08-30-2007, 04:14 PM
What Grady uses is called Greenwood XL panel. It carries a lifetime warranty against rot, fungal decay, delamination, bugs, and basically any type of water damage. During the initial 10 years of the warranty, Greenwood will pay whatever the cost to repair any damage of their product. Basically, if the builder has to bring the boat back to their facility, tear it apart, remove the bad material, replace it, and then put the boat back together, greenwood will pay the cost. They will require a sample of the material to be submitted for chemical analysis prior to approving a claim. And before anyone asks, no I do not work for Greeenwood. I do work for a boat manufacturer who has been using the same material since 1996,and to our knowledge, we have never had a claim filed with them on one of our boats. Glass over wood construction is still the best composite setup in many people's opinion (including mine). It is tried and tested, and as others here have said, if done properly, it works great. That is not to say that no wood setups are bad either-they are not. The problem I have with them is that many companies have chosen them not because they are superior, but merely so they have the ability to scream "no wood, no wood" at every chance they get. It is more about marketing than boatbuilding. Fiberglass liner type setups seen on many boats today look wonderful, but they create their own issues. They have to be built in a seperate mold, and cure seperately from the hull. Even if they are put into the hull while it is stil in the mold, the two do not cure together, which means you get what is called "secondary bonding" which is not anywhere close to being as strong as a primary bond. Some of these issues have been addressed by using methacrylates (bonding adhesives) to connect these liners to the hull, but it is very difficult to do so given the lack of access to some areas under these liners. Foam cored stringers allow the same primary bond construction of the stringer system, so that is a plus. The negative is that they generally cannot be setup for attachment points for running hoses, cables, wiring harnesses, etc. If you find a boat with these type stringers that has cable ties or clamps that fall off after awile, the reason is that they are only screwed into a thin layer of glass cloth saturated with resin. Without a wood or aluminum backing the screws will vibrate out. That leaves the wood stringers which have the downside of years of rot problems in the industry. Much like initial years of problems with corrosion on sterndrives, this will take forever to fade. Think of it this way-the core of the stringer is there initially to be a form. a way to make the glass cloth and resin conform to the shape you want. Wood has the advantage of being able to attach to it, and provides some additional stiffness. It also makes installing inboard engines much easier for builders who do so. The bottom line is that there are always different ways to do things. Think about this-ever see a Stamas at a boat show? They still use spruce stringers according to their literature. The key is how they seal them. If a builder can take the time to really detail their lamination to extreme standards, then there is nothing wrong with it. Using Greenwood like Grady does, allows them a margin of error if an employee misses a spot or does not seal an area perfectly, which certainly does happen in production situations. There is no perfect method, like there is no perfect boat for every application. There are over 4000 boat building companies in the US, no two of whom do everything exactly the same. There will always be tradeoffs. Now, whether you think Grady's are overpriced (which I personally do) or not, to trash everything they do based upon what may have happened to some boats prior to their use of Greenwood panel (Note-marine treated plywoods did not become readily available until the mid-90's) is just dumb. Jawz points out he has seen many of this type of problem. It stands to reason if a company builds lots of boats, they are more likely to have larger numbers of issues, just by the law of averages.

UBETRUN
08-30-2007, 04:21 PM
gator1 - 8/30/2007 3:14 PM

What Grady uses is called Greenwood XL panel. It carries a lifetime warranty against rot, fungal decay, delamination, bugs, and basically any type of water damage.


For those that still believe "top tier" boats use better components/construction, that is exactly the same thing Trophy uses in its transoms.

GradyLady - 8/25/2007 10:31 PM

Bayliner HAD to put a lifetime warranty on their transom to lure customers into buying their crap.


:rofl:

ccat
08-30-2007, 04:42 PM
Gator1 excellent explanation :thumbsup:

JEVLACH
08-30-2007, 04:53 PM
gator1

Well said. :thumbsup:

Bugbuster
08-30-2007, 05:27 PM
The Black Pearl is made completely of wood...........................................

96TL
08-30-2007, 05:34 PM
If I stay under 30' on my next rig, it'll probably be an aluminum. I love my Parker, but not having to worry about wood, glass or gelcoat is a huge plus.

Afishinado
08-30-2007, 05:45 PM
Thanks Gator

Joe
08-30-2007, 05:46 PM
A boat 15 years old with rot. Okay. How long should it last? How long do you expect your car to last? Forever?

And Jawz...the Grady I owned had tinned marine wire in it--I was quite surprised to findi it, and took notice of it. I'm not sure what boat, or how old it was that you were looking.

ono loco
08-30-2007, 05:56 PM
where's grady guy in cabo that used his bracket and 2 new 4 strokes for a grouper weight?

Raybo Marine NY
08-30-2007, 06:10 PM
everytime we take apart a 30+ year old boat with wood and there is NOTHING wrong with it just proves its NOT the materials, its the process by which they were built.

Ever notice what every composite company uses in thier advertising as a baseline for thier testing?
WOOD

There is good and bad in every single boat out there, does not matter how much money you spent on the boat.

baitkiller
08-30-2007, 06:25 PM
Gator1 well said. I may add that "no wood" systems including Nida core (in my experience) seem to encourage a lack of below decks finish and craftsmanship. Molded stiffeners and abutments are left with gross edges and exposed core because "it cant rot, so why bother". Side hull and deck fittings with open core. In a particular builder I can think of, while inspecting their workmanship on every occasion I get the strong message that the materials were chosen to save on labor. I don't mean to generalize or make sweeping statements, (but) I can say for sure with one builder.

Thanks Gator.

BTW on secondary bonding your words also ring true. Many hulls with secondary grid systems eventually show point loading and hard spots or worse.

Infusion is the answer.

trfyhlr
08-30-2007, 06:52 PM
Wow-Maybe it would be best to take an axe and chop em up for firewood while you still have wood in the stringers.

littletunny
08-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Capt. Fred - 8/30/2007 7:25 AM

Where's that little popcorn guy?
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HR%20User/Desktop/popcorn.gif

TexasWhaler
08-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Capt. Fred - 8/30/2007 7:25 AM

Where's that little popcorn guy?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/texaswhaler/get-photo.asp.gif

ABoater
08-30-2007, 07:13 PM
If wood shouldn't be a concern, then why did Grady do away with it on their latest and greatest new models, and then claim that their newest ones are "superior" to others on the market?

You can't have it both ways. One way REALLY does have to be better than the other. Which is it?

Just wonderin'...

;?

49erJim
08-30-2007, 07:51 PM
ABoater - 8/30/2007 6:13 PM

If wood shouldn't be a concern, then why did Grady do away with it on their latest and greatest new models, and then claim that their newest ones are "superior" to others on the market?

You can't have it both ways. One way REALLY does have to be better than the other. Which is it?

Just wonderin'...

;? YOUR RIGHT! All old Gradys are full of ROT! ALL OLD ONES NEED TO GO TO JIMMY'S DEATH YARD!! Lets get em all off the water. :banghead:

haulingboat
08-30-2007, 08:01 PM
[QUOTE]ABoater - 8/30/2007 6:13 PM

If wood shouldn't be a concern, then why did Grady do away with it on their latest and greatest new models, and then claim that their newest ones are "superior" to others on the market?

You can't have it both ways. One way REALLY does have to be better than the other. Which is it?

Just wonderin'...





Ahhhh.......they didn't. They all still have lots of wood in them. I have a display on my showroom floor with samples of the wood for all my customers to see.

dannyroche
08-30-2007, 10:17 PM
Hi,
Just my $0.02 after owning two of them.

Grady White uses wood stringers and componenets up to 30' in length. The larger 33 and 36s use non-wood stringers to keep the weight down, but have wood in the boat in other locations. Who knows, maybe with the larger OB technology they may switch to wood stringers? A better question is why wasn't the switch done where they could do it (on the smaller ones)? Could wood be better in their eyes? BTW they core the hulls above the waterline on 28'+ boats, so if you are afraid of wood, another reason to stay away.

I have to believe any boat in the 20+ year old catagory is going to have some sort of issues unless it was well cared for. I'd be curious, how many 20+ year coastal boat lines are worth fixing? Many are likely scrapped - not worth the few thousand to repair. Those that do are likely to attract attention from the glass shops that repair boats.

You may like GW, you may not - but I doubt that people can say the company has not been successful. They have won NMNI, JD Powers, CSI awards year after year. Don't give me the BS that these awards are bought, you are naive if you think so. Why do they win year in and out? Like most things in life, if you strip it down it is very simple. A commitment product quality, and proven fabrication methods - a culture that demands everyone to focus on exceeding customer requirements and expectations, and continuous improvement, and ensuring quality components, and driving process in everything they do to drive consistancy.
I also believe the fact that they are privately owned is a plus - not a slave to the pressure of meeting quarterly numbers. They are focused on the customer and building a quality product for the long term. Now do they make mistakes, sure. I'd be an idiot to say that there are not escapes and variation in such a hand built product. When one gets to the customer, the dealer and factory step up and make it right for the customer. How many horror stories have you heard about dealers and manufacturers? I have not heard many from GW owners. Personally, I've only had minor issues, but each one has either been fixed at my slip (yup they will come to you) or at the dealer at their expense.

If you ever owned one, if you ever experienced the service from their dealers, if you ever experienced the company's cust service department commitment, you would buy another in a heartbeat. It isn't a point sale, it is a relationship - no arrogant DB dealers like other boats. If the dealers don't measure up, they are dropped. Those that continually bash them remind me of the US auto firms of the 1980s when the Japanese had a better product. Now, I don't think GW has the best product. They have a very good one, but the secret sauce is that they are focused on making the total customer experience the best it can be. They do this by standing behind the product and will out perform the competition with their customer service.

There is an old joke. Two guys in the woods and a bear quickly approaching. One guy quickly starts ties his running shoes, the second says "Do you really think you can out run the bear?" The first says, "I don't have to out run the bear, I just have to out run you." Same in the boat business. If you think I'm a GW rumpswabber, so be it. Look at your dealer and your manufacturer. Likely GW isn't that great, just better than most. Nuff said. Take out the hatchets if you want!

Don't take my word. If you are considering a boat, spend a few hundred dollars and visit the plants that actually make the boats you are looking at. GW will give you a factory tour (not a video or demo). You can walk the floor, see the boats being built in an ultra modern & clean environment, you can talk to the production workers and the management team. Ask all the questions you can and get right up and close to the boats being built. I'd be surprised if you didn't walk away impressed. Check out the wiring harness fabrication, look for the process and quality boards on the floor. The GW focus on process for such a hand crafted product was amazing to me.

If they make a 33 or 36 walk, I'll be back. If not, maybe a Tiara or something else. Give me some ideas... I'm not a GW lemming just a happy customer.

troll
08-30-2007, 10:25 PM
Tell em Danny! ;)

GWs get more discussion here then almost another other brand. For all of the folks who do not like them, note that these overpriced, poorly built products outsell just about every boat in their price range, sweep most awards which are determined by THE PUBLIC, and continue to innovate their products. The customer service is lengendary.

Boats are like autos in that no brand or model is right for everyone. For those of you who simply do not get the GW customer loyalty, I can only offer my sympathy. :)

Joe
08-30-2007, 10:31 PM
Raybo Marine NY - 8/30/2007 5:10 PM

everytime we take apart a 30+ year old boat with wood and there is NOTHING wrong with it just proves its NOT the materials, its the process by which they were built.

Ever notice what every composite company uses in thier advertising as a baseline for thier testing?
WOOD

There is good and bad in every single boat out there, does not matter how much money you spent on the boat.

This begs the question...if there is nothing wrong with it...why would you take it apart?

aftergolf
08-30-2007, 10:39 PM
Whether your a fan of GW or not, you have to take your hat off to Eddie Smith and his team. They have built one heck of a company. And no I don't own one and have no affiliation to the company. Just an impressed bystander.

svenski
08-30-2007, 10:48 PM
after reading through all of this, I realize that there are alot of better built and more expensive boats out there, and far less people who complain about them than the GW brand. It sucks to be in the middle.

Snapper Head
08-30-2007, 11:40 PM
Say, didn't all of you guys own Scout boats a few years back?


Big Al
my dad can beat up yer dad :roll

mronzo
08-30-2007, 11:47 PM
:roll

mronzo
08-30-2007, 11:49 PM
:roll

trollme
08-31-2007, 01:07 AM
gator1 - 8/30/2007 3:14 PM

.
MR Gator1
Well said.
From someone that has been around boat building and repair for many years I completely agree. Wood is good,foam core is good when properly installed AND CARRIED FOR. Both can be trouble when not done right. Don't tell me a foam core stringer or transom want fail when compromised by water intrusion over time. I have seen it. The wood I pulled out of my 69 25 ft Bertram was perfect!!!!!! Why because it was properly sealed and had not been compromised by past owners when installing hardware.
Buy what you want,take care of it and be happy.

lrc
08-31-2007, 07:36 AM
O.K, I've previously owned two Grady White boats. Both were good performers with few issues from a maintenance perspective. Both were I/O's, so that was where the most money was spent but not unusual. Both boats were kept on a trailer until used thus my boats probably would not be candidates for wood stringer problems.

That said, I'm always interested in what David Pascoe has to say. Here's some interesting surveys on Grady White:

http://www.docksidereports.com/boatreviews/grady_white_272.htm

All boats are susceptible to problems in the harsh environement we use them in but after reading Pascoes surveys I chose to move up a little bit in my last boat choices. One thing's for sure. How you take care of them does have an impact on the potential for problems.

LRC

Raybo Marine NY
08-31-2007, 08:14 AM
Joe - 8/30/2007 9:31 PM

Raybo Marine NY - 8/30/2007 5:10 PM

everytime we take apart a 30+ year old boat with wood and there is NOTHING wrong with it just proves its NOT the materials, its the process by which they were built.

Ever notice what every composite company uses in thier advertising as a baseline for thier testing?
WOOD

There is good and bad in every single boat out there, does not matter how much money you spent on the boat.

This begs the question...if there is nothing wrong with it...why would you take it apart?

I have customers who customize and restore thier boats, part of that is changing or adding hardware- to do that you must drill holes. When you drill holes, and fill old holes- you see the core.

We also change the layouts on boats, to do that things get cut away exposing the boat for what it is.

I have a 1969 Donzi at my place right now, we cut part of the deck for a taller fuel tank clearance, the wood that came out looked BRAND NEW.

The stringers had to come out not because of rot, but because there was not enough transverse bulkheads installed from day one, so the stringers had broken loose. If more bulkheads had been installed they would still be in there.

A failure of process, not materials.

Agreene
08-31-2007, 09:42 AM
Get em' Rob

Raybo Marine NY
08-31-2007, 09:50 AM
I can trash alot of boats, but in the end they are what pays the bills. You keep an open mind and when asked tell people what to look for. You are supposed to keep your personal opinions to yourself when you survey a boat, you survey the facts, not your feelings.

Top tier boats are taken apart and you shake your head, then lower tier boats are taken apart and you shake your head for a different reason- because they did things the "right" way. There is no blanket statement that you can make about ANY boat.

People are very passionate about thier boats, corporate is very passionate about thier name, trash both and the phone will ring a little less.

ono loco
08-31-2007, 11:08 AM
people pay a premium for a harley knowing full well a cheaper jap bike is a more sound machine..

Joe
08-31-2007, 12:00 PM
How long should a boat last? I see that all the time on here about "how long will brand x 4 stroke engine last". I would imagine it will outlast the length of time a majority of folks on here will keep it.

And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?

I like my boat a lot, but I sure hope I don't.

I wonder about thd folks who complain about water found in a hull in a 15 or 20 year old boat--When you buy a vehicle, do you get upset if it didn't last 15 or 20 years?

uncljohn
08-31-2007, 12:50 PM
Nothing wrong with the wood. The problem is with the seal around the centerline hatches and the inspection ports. If those are maintained (i.e. resealed every other year), then there would be no problem.

PossumBoy
08-31-2007, 09:21 PM
uncljohn - 8/31/2007 11:50 AM

Nothing wrong with the wood. .



i like mornning wood :)

tommyr904
08-31-2007, 09:57 PM
PossumBoy - 8/31/2007 8:21 PM

uncljohn - 8/31/2007 11:50 AM

Nothing wrong with the wood. .



i like mornning wood :)





if you where possumgirl i give ya some :grin:

rotordriver
09-01-2007, 12:08 AM
The thing I notice with Jimmy is the only boats he ever seems to have problems with are Grady's

scubadown
09-01-2007, 12:52 AM
OMG, my 1981 Grady must be completely rotten by now. I have put over 500 miles on it in the last three weeks diving out to 28 miles offshore and I didn't realize what a hazard it was. Two weeks in the Keys must have been over the top. Hail Marys all around.

49erJim
09-01-2007, 01:04 AM
rotordriver - 8/31/2007 11:08 PM

The thing I notice with Jimmy is the only boats he ever seems to have problems with are Grady's I think deep down inside someone at Grady had him and dump him in a trash can when he was a baby. Someone at Grady really pissed him off. LOL :jk:

mronzo
09-01-2007, 01:11 AM
rotordriver - 8/31/2007 11:08 PM

The thing I notice with Jimmy is the only boats he ever seems to have problems with are Grady's

Jimmy is ANTI-GRADY! period! But like others have said, old Gradys seem to keep Jimmy
off the soup line! :grin:

To be fair I have read several posts with pictures of other brand boats he's worked on
as well with apparently good results from pleased customers.

49erJim
09-01-2007, 01:15 AM
I like Jimmy "The Hater" ANTI-GRADY is good tho. LMAO!!

Sea Balz
09-01-2007, 03:11 AM
Hey Guys,

This story is true and I am hoping to get my Friend to Post his story and photos.

Have a nice day,

Ed

Afishinado
09-01-2007, 06:10 AM
IMHO 3/4 or more of the boats with wood cored transoms and stringers wouldn't have leaked (and rotted) if the thru hulls, engine mounting bolts, transdcers etc were properly installed by dealers and owners..

tobnpr
09-01-2007, 08:46 AM
As was said, rot problems relate to either improper build, or lack of maintenance, or both.
Multi-million dollar custom battlewagons are cold-molded from it everyday....

Transoms rot because engine mounting bolts aren't sealed. If I owned an outboard with a wood transom, I'd remove the wood from between the skins surrounding the bolt holes and fill with thickened epoxy- just like putting a thru-hull in a cored bottom. Then, if the bolt leaks it's no big deal because it never touches the wood core.

Stringer rot is usually cuased by limber holes that weren't properly sealed.

If the wood is properly encapuslated, it'll never rot. Period.

parkerboat1
09-01-2007, 08:50 AM
96TL - 8/30/2007 4:34 PM

If I stay under 30' on my next rig, it'll probably be an aluminum. I love my Parker, but not having to worry about wood, glass or gelcoat is a huge plus.

Dude ... sorry to burst your bubble, but your riding on wood as well. You better head to shore before it sinks. ;)

jawz
09-01-2007, 10:16 AM
mronzo - 9/1/2007 12:11 AM

rotordriver - 8/31/2007 11:08 PM

The thing I notice with Jimmy is the only boats he ever seems to have problems with are Grady's

Jimmy is ANTI-GRADY! period! But like others have said, old Gradys seem to keep Jimmy
off the soup line! :grin:

To be fair I have read several posts with pictures of other brand boats he's worked on
as well with apparently good results from pleased customers.



you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???

i post pictures of various repairs that are performed at my shop...i have pictures or new boats,as in 2006,that required major fiberglass repair...this boat supposeely had a "wood free construction"...would you like to see pictures of the wood core i found in a few places....when someone brings up that mfg,i will gladly tell what i experienced,as well as post a picture...

when i look at a job,i look at it from my eyes,meaning,is it really worth it for the customer to spend the money required to "get it right"...i look at things from a realistic point of view,not a biased opinion... not everyone is going to agree with everyone else,problems begin when the inexperienced begin typing,telling how they know more than everyone else,and how everyone else is wrong,the grady they purchased is the best built,longest lasting boat every to be placed on the planet...in fact,jesus christ himself,gave eddie smith the plans to build the grady white-kinda like the sermon on the mount... truth is,every mfg has problems,luhrs had a serious void probelm in their hulls,they actually had a team that went around to different dealers to repair the hulls...nice huh ??? i've taken apart wellcraft boats,a 2001 264 coastal,the fuel tank was leaking,what i found was a disgrace,i wouldn't purchase a wellcraft boat on a bet...prolines??? another one of the worst built,worst riding boats ever to be afloat-got pictures to prove their terrible build techniques...
now,do i need to continue ??? i don't just trash grady white boats...i work on alot of gradys,that's a fact...i also work on others,and i've given examples of what i found...

and here's the last....
parker boats...i had one that fell off it's trailer on the parkway,it slid down the road at 65mph...repaired the boat,as per the estimate...ONE OF THE BEST BUILT BOATS I HAVE EVER WORKED ON !!!!!
same boat,later had a delamination issue on the hard top,the balsa wood core was rotted,due to water intrusion...parker stepped up and repalced the ownere's hard top,free of charge !! again,i like the parker boats,however i would never own one...not for me,i don't like the old man cruiser style enclosed pilot house...it's gotta be like an oven in there,plus,you can't see to run that thing at night....

abbie
09-01-2007, 10:32 AM
het Jawz,


What do you think about Whalers and Contenders? As far as the construction of each boat?

jawz
09-01-2007, 10:47 AM
abbie - 9/1/2007 9:32 AM

het Jawz,


What do you think about Whalers and Contenders? As far as the construction of each boat?

i believe the contenders are among some of the best built boats on the market...i like them...that's my style of boat,the deep v center console...

49erJim
09-01-2007, 11:37 AM
Jimmy, Do you like anything about Grady Whites? If you do let us know what you like and what you dislike. (I know we have heard a few things that you have found in Gradys) This is not to be funny, I really would like to know what you have to say. Thanks

jawz
09-01-2007, 12:02 PM
49erJim - 9/1/2007 10:37 AM

Jimmy, Do you like anything about Grady Whites? If you do let us know what you like and what you dislike. (I know we have heard a few things that you have found in Gradys) This is not to be funny, I really would like to know what you have to say. Thanks
they have a nice lay out,example,the older 25 sailfish has a huge cockpit,lot's of fishing room...grady does an excellent job of space management-read that as grady uses the size of the boat to it's full advantage...
however,some of their build techniques are really a little cheezey...

Joe
09-01-2007, 12:10 PM
jawz - 9/1/2007 9:16 AM

you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???



Sometimes, THT just makes me laugh.



Maybe to really make your point, you oughtta takes pics of all your "stuff" and post them on your signature. A posted scan of your checking account would be a nice touch as well.

49erJim
09-01-2007, 12:20 PM
jawz - 9/1/2007 11:02 AM

49erJim - 9/1/2007 10:37 AM

Jimmy, Do you like anything about Grady Whites? If you do let us know what you like and what you dislike. (I know we have heard a few things that you have found in Gradys) This is not to be funny, I really would like to know what you have to say. Thanks
they have a nice lay out,example,the older 25 sailfish has a huge cockpit,lot's of fishing room...grady does an excellent job of space management-read that as grady uses the size of the boat to it's full advantage...
however,some of their build techniques are really a little cheezey... I agree with that. Build Techniques I will leave up to you. THX! :thumbsup:

Jay A
09-01-2007, 12:23 PM
Every boat has it's pluse's and minus's. GW in this area problems start to happen after 10 years or so of use. But so does Mako's. And probably Parker's too due to the wood infrastructure. My main concern with GW was the thin hull. For a boat that commands a high price I was surprised to be able to flex the hull with my hand when I was shopping around back in 2001. I'm not sure but I believe GW addressed this problem since. I've seen a few "puncture wounds" from a few GW's caused by docking mishaps. GW hull is a great design,their manufacturing techniques are average.

jawz
09-01-2007, 12:23 PM
Joe - 9/1/2007 11:10 AM



jawz - 9/1/2007 9:16 AM

you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???



Sometimes, THT just makes me laugh.

*

Maybe to really make your point, you oughtta takes pics of all your "stuff" and post them on your signature. A posted scan of your checking account would be a nice touch as well.




jealousy rearing it's ugly head ?????

Seneca Lake Dave
09-01-2007, 12:34 PM
96TL - 8/30/2007 2:34 PM

If I stay under 30' on my next rig, it'll probably be an aluminum. I love my Parker, but not having to worry about wood, glass or gelcoat is a huge plus.

I am suprised that there are not more boats out there in the Black Lab/Pacific style. They are so solid...they make you re-think the need for all the glass boat frills. I wish that they made a 23' with a sleeper cabin, That would be my next boat! There is a company called Stanley boats in Canada that has that concept, but I have never seen one in person.

jfmagana
09-01-2007, 01:42 PM
This thread is too funny. Making the assumption that any wood in a boat is instant death is just plain retarded. I live in the San Francisco bay area...there are at least a dozen wooden boats in the marina where I keep my boat. Many of these boats are so-called Monterey double enders that were build over 70 years ago...they are still very seaworthy working fishing boats....maybe I should go tell these people that they need to scrap their boats because some idiots on a web site say wood is bad.

mkus
09-02-2007, 06:40 PM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 12:21 PM

wmalloy382 - 8/30/2007 11:59 AM

mkus - 8/30/2007 11:38 AM

Come on down to Niantic ct and see how many Grady Whites you see its unbelievable.

Same with Greenwich Ct. The border river with Portchester is practically flooded side to side with them Are they all for sale?No they are all docked they have Grady white day every summer!!

DrJim
09-02-2007, 07:25 PM
parkerboat1 - 9/1/2007 7:50 AM96TL - 8/30/2007 4:34 PMIf I stay under 30' on my next rig, it'll probably be an aluminum. I love my Parker, but not having to worry about wood, glass or gelcoat is a huge plus.Dude ... sorry to burst your bubble, but your riding on wood as well. You better head to shore before it sinks. ;)

Im pretty sure he knows what he is riding on.

Joe
09-02-2007, 07:31 PM
jawz - 9/1/2007 11:23 AM

Joe - 9/1/2007 11:10 AM



jawz - 9/1/2007 9:16 AM

you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???



Sometimes, THT just makes me laugh.

*

Maybe to really make your point, you oughtta takes pics of all your "stuff" and post them on your signature. A posted scan of your checking account would be a nice touch as well.




jealousy rearing it's ugly head ?????

lol..yeah. some dude on an internet bulletin board bragging about stuff he says he has turns me green with envy.

simba7171
09-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Some of you guys need to leave the forums, I thought this was called thehullTRUTH! You dont expect him to tell you what he sees on a public forum? Thats why I am here, to hear the truth not some BS. Jimmy I appreciate your honesty and come to forums like this for facts and real life experiences not someones opinion of his freinds dads boat hes been on once.

Jimmy just understand they reason people get upset with you is they paid a lot of money for a boat they are finding out are not built very well. Its human nature for some not to be able to handle the truth.

Now, Jimmy if you could comment on the pathfinder, hewes, maverick line for me please. I can handle the truth.

empty canibal
09-02-2007, 10:14 PM
and Albury Brothers,too,please......

mronzo
09-02-2007, 11:21 PM
Joe - 9/2/2007 6:31 PM

jawz - 9/1/2007 11:23 AM

Joe - 9/1/2007 11:10 AM



jawz - 9/1/2007 9:16 AM

you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???



Sometimes, THT just makes me laugh.



Maybe to really make your point, you oughtta takes pics of all your "stuff" and post them on your signature. A posted scan of your checking account would be a nice touch as well.




jealousy rearing it's ugly head ?????

lol..yeah. some dude on an internet bulletin board bragging about stuff he says he has turns me green with envy.

I hope he posts all those picture of his stuff here (and on Great Grady too!)

I'm anticipating raging envy and jealousy! :roll

ccat
09-03-2007, 02:47 PM
Gray White wood problems and Boston Whaler foam saturation and if anyone even mentions the problems you get slammed. Mention a lower priced boat and all you hear is you get what you pay for. Doesnt sound like you do with the higher priced boats either. Glad to have someones opinion that has to tear into these boats regardless of brand and comment honestly on how they are built.

mkus
09-03-2007, 04:15 PM
uncljohn - 8/31/2007 11:50 AM

Nothing wrong with the wood. The problem is with the seal around the centerline hatches and the inspection ports. If those are maintained (i.e. resealed every other year), then there would be no problem.The problem is most mfgs dont seal the screw holes on hatches or anything that has a screw going into the hull.
I had to seal every screw on my boat!

Frank007
09-04-2007, 12:12 AM
jawz - 9/1/2007 9:47 AMabbie - 9/1/2007 9:32 AMhet Jawz,What do you think about Whalers and Contenders? As far as the construction of each boat?i believe the contenders are among some of the best built boats on the market...i like them...that's my style of boat,the deep v center console...

Jimmy,

What boats other than Contenders do you put in the category of well-constructed boats? Southport and Regulator, presumably, but we would like to hear the 20-30 foot or so production boats that you commonly see in the mid-Atlantic area that you have found to be properly put together after the years you have spent crawling over them. Please base your responses on the build quality from 2000 on as the build quality of 15 years ago may not be representative of the current build quality. Gradys, for one, would seem to be significantly better build today than their 80s and early 90s boats, but that is probably true of many of the manufacturers that have been in continuous production since the 1970s and 1980s (other than perhaps Mako).

Thanks for your time.

leebert
09-04-2007, 07:14 AM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 11:52 AM

leebert - 8/30/2007 10:36 AM

How much will it cost me for someone to please take my Marlin off my hands?

LB Hey I thought you were saving that Marlin for me? :thumbsup:

I was breaking in my rebuilt port OX66 this weekend when the Starboard engine alarm went off (first time ever). It was getting warm. I removed the thermostats (gunked up) and cleaned the poppit valve and flushed the head. True that Grady did not make the Yamaha but what can you expect when it is attached to a Grady... right???

And yes, I am saving it for you Jim.

LB

leebert
09-04-2007, 07:15 AM
49erJim - 8/30/2007 12:21 PM

wmalloy382 - 8/30/2007 11:59 AM

mkus - 8/30/2007 11:38 AM

Come on down to Niantic ct and see how many Grady Whites you see its unbelievable.

Same with Greenwich Ct. The border river with Portchester is practically flooded side to side with them Are they all for sale?

Jim, you kill me. LOL!

LB

jawz
09-04-2007, 12:31 PM
Joe - 9/2/2007 6:31 PM

jawz - 9/1/2007 11:23 AM

Joe - 9/1/2007 11:10 AM



jawz - 9/1/2007 9:16 AM

you may not like what i have to say,however,i've never seen anything written or have had a customer complain about ANY job that was performed at my shop...pretty impressive huh ???
"keeps me out of the soup line"...interesting...let's see...i've got no mortgage on my house,which is in cape may...near the water too i might add...i have no boat payment,car or truck payment either,i have a new road king...and all the equipment i own for my business is paid for....sounds like i'm doing pretty well...how 'bout you ??? would you like a part time job ??? you seem to know so much,i would probably end up working for you in a few short weeks...right ???



Sometimes, THT just makes me laugh.

*

Maybe to really make your point, you oughtta takes pics of all your "stuff" and post them on your signature. A posted scan of your checking account would be a nice touch as well.




jealousy rearing it's ugly head ?????

lol..yeah. some dude on an internet bulletin board bragging about stuff he says he has turns me green with envy.

no bragging here...somone on here implied that i would be in a soup line...clearly that's not the case...

this is for mronzo and all you other guys who got something smart assed to say all the time... you guys hide behind you catchy little screen names,hurling insults...pretty funny stuff..i would be willing to bet you guys wouldn't have the balls to say "boo" to the face of someone you throw these little remarks at...right...you guys are pathetic,guys like you are the type who have something to say,then run and hide...guys like you would be on the phone to your lawyer to sue anyone who attempted to settle the situation like a man...you guys really make me laugh...do yourselves a favor,look in the mirror and tell yourselves that you're really a tough guy...and that attempting to insult someone on the internet makes you the tough guy you wished you were when you were in highschool,getting your butt kicked for running your mouth too much...

mronzo
09-04-2007, 03:48 PM
There he goes again! :roll

" I'll beat you up!"

" I'm a really tough guy!"

" Did I mention I own a mansion and a yacht (23'cc?) ?!" :grin:

This will die down and he'll be back in 6 months to get the Anti -Grady message out!

In that 6 months more Gradys will be sold than Jimmy's ever worked on.........

No matter how often Jimmy bashes Gradys, I don't think it will have an impact on their sales!


Ho hum!

:sleeping:

HEDJUG
09-04-2007, 04:05 PM
Funny, I have not read this site in a few months & 0 has changed. (nor did I read this thread, no need)
A few bullet points:
-People don't realize that wood is ok if done well.
-People don't realize that they are over paying for their boats.
-Cheaper boats with problems are JUNK.
-Expensive boats with problems are non-existant.... Must be a LIE.

The real problem, the problem that people who paid $$$ for their rigs are too blind too see is; a 150k hull shouldn't be built with the same core material as a 40k boat. You should be mad at the builder of the problems, not the folks who point them out.

jawz
09-04-2007, 08:18 PM
mronzo - 9/4/2007 2:48 PM

There he goes again! :roll

" I'll beat you up!"

" I'm a really tough guy!"

" Did I mention I own a mansion and a yacht (23'cc?) ?!" :grin:

This will die down and he'll be back in 6 months to get the Anti -Grady message out!

In that 6 months more Gradys will be sold than Jimmy's ever worked on.........

No matter how often Jimmy bashes Gradys, I don't think it will have an impact on their sales!


Ho hum!

:sleeping:




you've really got a problem... i suggest you seek some proffesional help... tossing insults at me while hiding behind a screen name...now that's adult...bet your wife's proud of you...are you married to a woman ??? or does the state you live in allow same sex marriages ???

Raybo Marine NY
09-04-2007, 08:45 PM
I think some of you need to step away and take some deep breaths or else my dad will beat up your dad

bayrunner
09-04-2007, 08:59 PM
That is it! we are all going to sell our gradys. The company is going to close. We are all going to buy bayliners or trophies as they are now called. Well, we can't sell them, no one will buy them with wood stringers. We are going to sink them! Any good sugestions for reef sites? All Gradys must be sunk after such bad design and craftsmanship! Lets sink them. Will that make You Happy? Please, We want to make you happy!

socuban
09-04-2007, 09:21 PM
bayrunner - 9/4/2007 7:59 PM

That is it! we are all going to sell our gradys. The company is going to close. We are all going to buy bayliners or trophies as they are now called. Well, we can't sell them, no one will buy them with wood stringers. We are going to sink them! Any good sugestions for reef sites? All Gradys must be sunk after such bad design and craftsmanship! Lets sink them. Will that make You Happy? Please, We want to make you happy!

I'm going to hold on to mine, and sell it along with Che Guevara's remains 30 years later for let's say - one million dollars!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/socuban/dr.evil.jpg

Porkchunker
09-04-2007, 09:23 PM
96TL - 8/30/2007 5:34 PM

If I stay under 30' on my next rig, it'll probably be an aluminum. I love my Parker, but not having to worry about wood, glass or gelcoat is a huge plus.

I have a good fishing buddy who has an aluminum boat. He has problems with leakage between the riveted panels. So...every construction method has its pros and cons.

As for me, I'll buy another Parker (with wood) before I buy anything else.

Also...check out the little woodie in my signature. Right now it is upside down on the trailer getting a new (yes, you guessed it) wood keel.

iFishMD
09-04-2007, 09:30 PM
Wood gives me Wood! :thumbsup: :grin:

I am not rich, I am not poor, I am not a professional but I like to fish from a boat ;cool;

faterikcartman
09-04-2007, 09:35 PM
Jimmy is right, if someone insults you or your boat you should shoot them and eat their children.
http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/samurai.gif
It's the manly way.

Porkchunker
09-04-2007, 09:37 PM
Joe - 8/31/2007 12:00 PM

How long should a boat last? I see that all the time on here about "how long will brand x 4 stroke engine last". I would imagine it will outlast the length of time a majority of folks on here will keep it.

And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?...

wooden boat...49 years...see the woodie in my signature. :) :) :)

tommyr904
09-04-2007, 09:40 PM
Porkchunker - 9/4/2007 8:37 PM

[QUOTE]Joe - 8/31/2007 12:00 PM

How long should a boat last? I see that all the time on here about "how long will brand x 4 stroke engine last". I would imagine it will outlast the length of time a majority of folks on here will keep it.

And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?.../QUOTE]







wooden boat...49 years...see the woodie in my signature. :) :) :) :thumbsup:




i'll join ya :thumbsup: i alway's get wood in my parker anyway :grin:

Porkchunker
09-04-2007, 09:52 PM
No you won't...when I get a woodie on my Parker, I engage the Admiral. :) :) :)

tommyr904
09-04-2007, 10:00 PM
Porkchunker - 9/4/2007 8:52 PM

No you won't...when I get a woodie on my Parker, I engage the Admiral. :) :) :)




dam my bad.what was i thinking :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

askibum02
09-04-2007, 11:12 PM
Get a room.... :nono: :nono: :nono: :grin:

mronzo
09-04-2007, 11:41 PM
bayrunner - 9/4/2007 7:59 PM

That is it! we are all going to sell our gradys. The company is going to close. We are all going to buy bayliners or trophies as they are now called. Well, we can't sell them, no one will buy them with wood stringers. We are going to sink them! Any good sugestions for reef sites? All Gradys must be sunk after such bad design and craftsmanship! Lets sink them. Will that make You Happy? Please, We want to make you happy!

Nah! I don't want to make him happy! I'll keep mine too!

Bayrunner now you're on the Jaws (appropriate name I may add!) sh*t list!

Now you have no balls!

Now you are gay!

He's going to kick your a**!

His stuff is better than yours! (he said so!)

Check out his web site! (oh wait! it doesn't work! well yes it does- kind of! ) :sleeping:

jawz
09-04-2007, 11:54 PM
mronzo - 9/4/2007 10:41 PM

bayrunner - 9/4/2007 7:59 PM

That is it! we are all going to sell our gradys. The company is going to close. We are all going to buy bayliners or trophies as they are now called. Well, we can't sell them, no one will buy them with wood stringers. We are going to sink them! Any good sugestions for reef sites? All Gradys must be sunk after such bad design and craftsmanship! Lets sink them. Will that make You Happy? Please, We want to make you happy!

Nah! I don't want to make him happy! I'll keep mine too!

Bayrunner now you're on the Jaws (appropriate name I may add!) sh*t list!

Now you have no balls!

Now you are gay!

He's going to kick your a**!

His stuff is better than yours! (he said so!)

Check out his web site! (oh wait! it doesn't work! well yes it does- kind of! ) :sleeping:




still at it huh ??? must be really tough wishing you were me...what a pathetic loser you are...bet you wife's having an affair with the trash guys...she's probably banging all of them on that hunk of crap boat you own...or let me guess,you got the wife working on the corner to help pay the mortgage...right ??? or is it the fuel bill for the boat ??? :thumbsup:
yeah...good to be mronzo...real good...assclown....

StingerII
09-04-2007, 11:55 PM
*shakes head*

iFishMD
09-05-2007, 12:14 AM
Joe - 8/31/2007 12:00 PM
And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?...


My father just sold his 1970 John Allmand that has been in the family since new and my father ran for 25 years. It had wood stringers, deck and transom too...

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/get-attachment.asp?action=view&attachmentid=48727

iFishMD
09-05-2007, 12:20 AM
jawz - 9/4/2007 10:54 PM

still at it huh ??? must be really tough wishing you were me...what a pathetic loser you are...bet you wife's having an affair with the trash guys...she's probably banging all of them on that hunk of crap boat you own...or let me guess,you got the wife working on the corner to help pay the mortgage...right ??? or is it the fuel bill for the boat ??? :thumbsup:
yeah...good to be mronzo...real good...assclown....

Now that is a good post by a classy person :roll :trout:

mronzo
09-05-2007, 12:29 AM
jawz - 9/4/2007 10:54 PM

mronzo - 9/4/2007 10:41 PM

bayrunner - 9/4/2007 7:59 PM

That is it! we are all going to sell our gradys. The company is going to close. We are all going to buy bayliners or trophies as they are now called. Well, we can't sell them, no one will buy them with wood stringers. We are going to sink them! Any good sugestions for reef sites? All Gradys must be sunk after such bad design and craftsmanship! Lets sink them. Will that make You Happy? Please, We want to make you happy!

Nah! I don't want to make him happy! I'll keep mine too!

Bayrunner now you're on the Jaws (appropriate name I may add!) sh*t list!

Now you have no balls!

Now you are gay!

He's going to kick your a**!

His stuff is better than yours! (he said so!)

Check out his web site! (oh wait! it doesn't work! well yes it does- kind of! ) :sleeping:




still at it huh ??? must be really tough wishing you were me...what a pathetic loser you are...bet you wife's having an affair with the trash guys...she's probably banging all of them on that hunk of crap boat you own...or let me guess,you got the wife working on the corner to help pay the mortgage...right ??? or is it the fuel bill for the boat ??? :thumbsup:
yeah...good to be mronzo...real good...assclown....


Stop hurting my feeling Jimmy! :roll

You mostly bore me but you do provide some entertainment value! Thanks!
:thumbsup:

2swift
09-05-2007, 12:50 AM
Dang it I need more Pop corn!!
http://www.free-smiley.info/eating/eating-smileys-emoticons28.gif
I also need to check in more often.
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mronzo
09-05-2007, 01:25 AM
B-Faithful - 9/4/2007 11:20 PM

jawz - 9/4/2007 10:54 PM

still at it huh ??? must be really tough wishing you were me...what a pathetic loser you are...bet you wife's having an affair with the trash guys...she's probably banging all of them on that hunk of crap boat you own...or let me guess,you got the wife working on the corner to help pay the mortgage...right ??? or is it the fuel bill for the boat ??? :thumbsup:
yeah...good to be mronzo...real good...assclown....

Now that is a good post by a classy person :roll :trout:

I rest my case! :sleeping:


MMMMMMMm popcorn! :thumbsup:

Sea Balz
09-07-2007, 01:37 AM
Why not use total fiber / resin / foam material in the stringer system????????????

prockvoan
09-07-2007, 03:03 AM
I can't beleive I read all this BS.And yes,I think GW boats look like sh-T,over price junk!Then again,thats me and I earn the right to state that becouse I served my country!

HEDJUG
09-07-2007, 11:15 AM
B-Faithful - 9/5/2007 12:14 AM

Joe - 8/31/2007 12:00 PM
And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?...


My father just sold his 1970 John Allmand that has been in the family since new and my father ran for 25 years. It had wood stringers, deck and transom too...

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/get-attachment.asp?action=view&attachmentid=48727



He sold it.... why????

I still have my 1979 Allmand & it's still full of the same wood it came with. It's a 26'x10' tank that would smash all these new lightweight "Boats" into a bunch of splinters.

There is somthing to be said about 1"++thick solid glass sitting on 2x10 oak stringers. Talk about a solid ride.... most people have no clue what a solid ride really is.

fishingfun
09-07-2007, 11:45 AM
My buddy had a friend who's buddy had a buddy who knew of a guy who knew some one who had a 15 yeard old second hand GW with moister in the transom. He was told by a friend of a friend to call grady and see what they would do. So the friend of the friend called them and I heard from my buddy who's friend of the buddy had heard from his friend that GW paid for half of the repair.

JEVLACH
09-07-2007, 12:09 PM
fishingfun - 9/7/2007 11:45 AM

My buddy had a friend who's buddy had a buddy who knew of a guy who knew some one who had a 15 yeard old second hand GW with moister in the transom. He was told by a friend of a friend to call grady and see what they would do. So the friend of the friend called them and I heard from my buddy who's friend of the buddy had heard from his friend that GW paid for half of the repair.

Finally a first hand account.

:grin:

iFishMD
09-07-2007, 01:20 PM
HEDJUG - 9/7/2007 10:15 AM

B-Faithful - 9/5/2007 12:14 AM

Joe - 8/31/2007 12:00 PM
And does it matter? How many people here will own the same boat in 20 or 30 years?...


My father just sold his 1970 John Allmand that has been in the family since new and my father ran for 25 years. It had wood stringers, deck and transom too...


He sold it.... why????

I still have my 1979 Allmand & it's still full of the same wood it came with. It's a 26'x10' tank that would smash all these new lightweight "Boats" into a bunch of splinters.

There is somthing to be said about 1"++thick solid glass sitting on 2x10 oak stringers. Talk about a solid ride.... most people have no clue what a solid ride really is.

He bought a 2001 Judge 27 Downeast with twin 130 Hondas for a little more range and security offshore. It was a good deal but still a sad day to see the Allmand that has been in our family since 1970 and with my father for over 25 years go down the road...

fishingfun
09-07-2007, 03:29 PM
JEVLACH - 9/7/2007 11:09 AM

fishingfun - 9/7/2007 11:45 AM

My buddy had a friend who's buddy had a buddy who knew of a guy who knew some one who had a 15 yeard old second hand GW with moister in the transom. He was told by a friend of a friend to call grady and see what they would do. So the friend of the friend called them and I heard from my buddy who's friend of the buddy had heard from his friend that GW paid for half of the repair.

Finally a first hand account.

:grin:I thought it was time that we get it straight from the horses mouth.

PJJR
09-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Sea Balz : READ What Gator1 said:
What Grady uses is called Greenwood XL panel. It carries a lifetime warranty against rot, fungal decay, delamination, bugs, and basically any type of water damage. During the initial 10 years of the warranty, Greenwood will pay whatever the cost to repair any damage of their product. Basically, if the builder has to bring the boat back to their facility, tear it apart, remove the bad material, replace it, and then put the boat back together, greenwood will pay the cost. They will require a sample of the material to be submitted for chemical analysis prior to approving a claim. And before anyone asks, no I do not work for Greeenwood. I do work for a boat manufacturer who has been using the same material since 1996,and to our knowledge, we have never had a claim filed with them on one of our boats. Glass over wood construction is still the best composite setup in many people's opinion (including mine). It is tried and tested, and as others here have said, if done properly, it works great. That is not to say that no wood setups are bad either-they are not. The problem I have with them is that many companies have chosen them not because they are superior, but merely so they have the ability to scream "no wood, no wood" at every chance they get. It is more about marketing than boatbuilding. Fiberglass liner type setups seen on many boats today look wonderful, but they create their own issues. They have to be built in a seperate mold, and cure seperately from the hull. Even if they are put into the hull while it is stil in the mold, the two do not cure together, which means you get what is called "secondary bonding" which is not anywhere close to being as strong as a primary bond. Some of these issues have been addressed by using methacrylates (bonding adhesives) to connect these liners to the hull, but it is very difficult to do so given the lack of access to some areas under these liners. Foam cored stringers allow the same primary bond construction of the stringer system, so that is a plus. The negative is that they generally cannot be setup for attachment points for running hoses, cables, wiring harnesses, etc. If you find a boat with these type stringers that has cable ties or clamps that fall off after awile, the reason is that they are only screwed into a thin layer of glass cloth saturated with resin. Without a wood or aluminum backing the screws will vibrate out. That leaves the wood stringers which have the downside of years of rot problems in the industry. Much like initial years of problems with corrosion on sterndrives, this will take forever to fade. Think of it this way-the core of the stringer is there initially to be a form. a way to make the glass cloth and resin conform to the shape you want. Wood has the advantage of being able to attach to it, and provides some additional stiffness. It also makes installing inboard engines much easier for builders who do so. The bottom line is that there are always different ways to do things. Think about this-ever see a Stamas at a boat show? They still use spruce stringers according to their literature. The key is how they seal them. If a builder can take the time to really detail their lamination to extreme standards, then there is nothing wrong with it. Using Greenwood like Grady does, allows them a margin of error if an employee misses a spot or does not seal an area perfectly, which certainly does happen in production situations. There is no perfect method, like there is no perfect boat for every application. There are over 4000 boat building companies in the US, no two of whom do everything exactly the same. There will always be tradeoffs. Now, whether you think Grady's are overpriced (which I personally do) or not, to trash everything they do based upon what may have happened to some boats prior to their use of Greenwood panel (Note-marine treated plywoods did not become readily available until the mid-90's) is just dumb. Jawz points out he has seen many of this type of problem. It stands to reason if a company builds lots of boats, they are more likely to have larger numbers of issues, just by the law of averages.

;? Have you read all of the thread you started?

GradyLady
09-07-2007, 11:38 PM
F U haters! You're all just jealous.

Raybo Marine NY
09-07-2007, 11:54 PM
fishingfun - 9/7/2007 10:45 AM

My buddy had a friend who's buddy had a buddy who knew of a guy who knew some one who had a 15 yeard old second hand GW with moister in the transom. He was told by a friend of a friend to call grady and see what they would do. So the friend of the friend called them and I heard from my buddy who's friend of the buddy had heard from his friend that GW paid for half of the repair.

I wonder if his wife is on the corner trying to get gas money?

rotordriver
09-08-2007, 12:12 AM
GradyLady - 9/7/2007 9:38 PM

F U haters! You're all just jealous. Them's some tough words coming from a lady

trollme
09-08-2007, 12:33 AM
PJJR - 9/7/2007 9:39 PM

Sea Balz : READ What Gator1 said:
What Grady uses is called Greenwood XL ;? Have you read all of the thread you started?
Good post PJJR. I have worked on many boats over the years and been around a few boat building facility's and totally agree. You cant go wrong with a little wood,but some have bought into this NO WOOD marketing thing hook line and sinker. :thumbsup:
Each to their own.
Buy it,fish it,and be happy.

UBETRUN
09-08-2007, 01:41 AM
GradyLady - 9/7/2007 10:38 PM

F U haters! You're all just jealous.


Of course we'd all rather have rotten transoms, rotten stringers, and cracking gelcoat but not everyone can afford a "top tier" boat.

:rofl:

prockvoan
09-08-2007, 06:17 AM
GradyLady - 9/7/2007 10:38 PM

F U haters! You're all just jealous.

Only if you are good looking and clean fish :grin:

drdurso
09-08-2007, 12:26 PM
I was on my dock one day working on my bottom tier POS when my neighbor motored by in his Grady, he waved and continued on for a few yards and his outboard fell off of the rotted transom.....this has never happened with any of my bottom tier POS boats....

Just sayin'

Sea Balz
09-14-2007, 03:39 AM
WOW!!!

okletsfish
09-14-2007, 01:18 PM
I purchased my boat just slightly use,it was 1 1/2 years old.I got a terrific deal and to this day don`t regret it.I keep it on a trailer with the plug out and maintence is paramount in my opinion on any boat.The botton line with me is how much is it gonna cost me to get out of something if it isn`t my cup of tea.In my case I could get almost what I payed for my boat today after 6 years.Now do I think Grady`s are over priced..you bet, but so are Reg`s ,Contender`s ect,.But when it`s time to unload em it than becomes a wash. ;)

billspen101
09-14-2007, 03:31 PM
DAD'GUM'IT........GW's are perfect!
They never rot.... aquire cracks (especially structural).....or swamp or sink AND any motor you bolt to'em becomes bullet-proof and will run forever!
.............anyone who owns one should be submitted for Saint-hood, because they are obviously far superior to mortal humans!
IF you DO own one and anybody has any constructive reponses to your questions, you should spit at them and call 'em GW bashers......because.....
.....well because GWs are perfect and so are their owners!

AND YES THEY ARE OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE! *SS-WIPE!

Bill

Hawkeye
09-14-2007, 04:14 PM
I had a grady once and it had rotten transom, floor and stringers. It was a older one but was only 6 years old when I bought it. Grady would not even talk to me back then. :banghead: Needless to say I will never buy a grady. Someone could give me one.

silver01
09-14-2007, 05:40 PM
I recentlly sold my boat (88 21CC Answer Marine). I bought it 4 years ago and when I bought it it only had a small rotten piece under one of the t-top legs. I decided to replace the whole floor, I should have since when I took it out it was all dry except for that one part. Since I had the floor out I replaced the tank also. My stringers where also dry perfect conditions, transom had a bad spot from where the over board drain was at, the rest was fine. Answer marine was oly around for a couple of years but the built them good. Buddy of mine had a 89 Answer 25CC ad we had to open a big hole in the floor to get to the hull to patch up a hole that the previous had patched from the outside and wasnt holding. Floor was dry, the whole was by one of the stringers and they were dry. I have gone to see several GW 97-99 mostlly and have notice that they didnt gelcoat the bilge area or any other floor storage compartment. I have asked several time why GW would not gelcoat in these areas since they always have water in them and a layer of gelcoat would better protect the fiberglass, and still have not gotten an answer. My boat and my buddys did have gelcoat in these areas. I know all boats have problems but a company that no longer exists built it better than the GW I have seen. 19 year old boat with original stingers and transom and some GW cant even make it to 10 years, there is something wrong there.



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