The Boating Forum - Any opinions on the Cape Horn 16'Bay or the 18'Bay?
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02-10-2004, 03:43 PM
I am looking at bay boats and fell in love with these 2 boats yesterday! I see that the demensions on the 2 are very similar but the power range is not. The 16 is rated for 50-90 and the 18 is rated for 90-150. It seems to me that a 16 with a 90 would be about the same as the 18 with a 115. Obviously, the bigger boat with more power will cost more but the layout of the 18 is more of what I am looking for. Does anyone know the price difference in these 2 hulls? Just the hulls .
02-10-2004, 03:52 PM
fishin-fanatic has an 18' bay...i'm pretty sure his email is in his profile, and he'd have lots o'info
they are nice boats
02-12-2004, 07:36 AM
Not sure what you mean by the 16 and 18 being very similar. There is a lot of size difference in the 2 boats. Maybe you meant the CH-17 and the CH-18?
The difference in the 16 and 18 is 400# of wieght, 22" of length, and 6" of width. Also the 18 is made with a 25" transom and the 16 is made with a 20" transom. View the specs below.
Length 16'8"Beam 7'7"Draft 8"Deadrise 17Â°Weight 1,200 lbs.Max. H.P. 90Min. H.P. 50Max Load. 1,400 lbs.Designer:Chris Fabbro
Length 17'9"Beam 8'1"Draft 8"Deadrise 17Â°Weight 1,700 lbs.Max. H.P. 150*Min. H.P. 90
Designer Chris Fabbro*20" or 25" Shaft Engine
Length 18'6"Beam 8'Draft 8"Deadrise 17Â°Weight 1,600 lbs.Max. H.P. 150*Min. H.P. 90*Designer Chris Fabbro*25" Shaft Engine
In general Cape horn is a very well built boat and most on this forum give it a favorable review. The price difference between the 16 and 18 I do not know but I would imagine that it is substancial. Several thousand atleast. The difference between the 17 and the 18 is about 12 to 1500 dollars, depending on dealer.
I got a quote $15000 for a 16, $17500 for a 17. Both too high IMHO.
I also checked boattrader,NADA book value for a 1 year old 16, got $10000. That's too much depreciation in one year for me. Cape HOrn is an ugly boat, small builder with a small diehard following. It ain't gona hold value.
Cape Horn boats aren't meant to be chick magnets. They are meant to be tough as nails fishing boats and that is what they are. I certainly would not classify my CH 17 as ugly either. Also, do a little more research. They hold value pretty well...at least around here they do. Plus, you could put just about any other 17' boat inside mine and have room to spare.
02-12-2004, 11:22 AM
Small builder??over 400 boats a year,dont hold value well??I bought a 21 Horn in 2000 fully loaded for 28,500 sold it 2 years later for 26,500,Ill take that kind of loss any day.
02-12-2004, 12:31 PM
"Don't Be Dissin My Boat"
SC,I guess sea hunt is a better boat than a Cape Horn (in your opinion)?? I don't think so!
Didn't mean to dish your boat. I planned to buy the 16 but just didn't work out with that single dealer in town. Really liked that thick solid wide hull. Wider inside than some 19 footers. The high price , geriatric look, wet ride (I heard), lack of amenities,poor rigging,wiring by that dealer turned me off.
The trade in value on the 16 is probably poorer than larger models.
02-12-2004, 05:47 PM
I have to agree with SC on this...I looked pretty hard at a 16 horn along with some of the smaller 17cc's on the market. The horn, although wide and stout is very generic and lacks many useful features found in similiar sized, priced boats. I love the new 17 horn but it was a bit out of my price range and also a touch bigger than I wanted to go(its really comparable to most 18/19 ft. boats) The 1720 key west is a nicer boat with many more standard features than the 16 horn and thats what I settled on. Only advantage I really saw in the horn over the KW was maybe the wider beam but that was all. Do yourself a favor and at least look at a 17kw before you go with a 16 horn.
BTW, never looked at the 18bay horns but they look to be nice hulls...
02-12-2004, 10:34 PM
This will come across as a biased opinion because I own a Cape Horn Bay 22 so keep that in mind. But comparing a really pretty boat hull with useful features versus an extremely well built boat that is built like a tank made as a multi-purpose tool is like comparing apples and oranges. I went web page max powered at 250 hp but they have upgraded this 22â€™ hull to 300 HP. While you are specifically referring to a smaller boat, the hull thickness is unmatched. Although based on the cost per boat choice for my comparisons, more boat for less money. Not more "nice featuresâ€ť but simply more boat underneath me. I looked at Key West and I looked at Scout and priced them accordingly. Fine boats with out a doubt and I would argue with anyone who said they were sub-standard by any means. The detail was by all aspects unarguably well designed, but more boat by design and less money? Only the key west by money cause the Scout was quite a bit more money than my cape horn with less accessories and less motor. Both are liner boats while the cape horn is a solid non rolled edge one piece hull about 1 inch thick. The 16' horn, well a bit small for me but solid as a ROCK! I have 2 friends that have the 18 bay. One with a F-115 Yam and the other with a Yam 150EFI. Both go offshore and both are BIG fisherman not interested in itâ€™s pretty appearance as to its ruggedness and fish ability. All depends on what YOU are looking for in a boat. Go with what suits you and your families best interest and yep your budget. However, looks taking a back seat to a small few, all those who have looked at my boat have said, that's a bad a$$ boat and while it is still being properly broken in, it will make you feel airborne when cranked up! Havenâ€™t opened her up full throttle but at 4800 RPMâ€™s, she will already scat!
02-13-2004, 05:25 AM
I tested out the 22 bay and it is an awesome boat, they are not wet at all, I cant really speak to the 16 and 18 though. Poor resale and rigging, what a joke.
02-13-2004, 08:27 AM
I own a 2002 Cape Horn 18 Bay with 125 Merc and it is a close to perfect boat when taking in to consideration it's design (bay boat) and intended purpose (in-shore/near-shore boating).
In my opinion, anyone that will bad mouth a Cape Horn really does not have experience (owned or been on) with Cape Horn boats. As far as I can tell the only weak item on a Cape Horn is the plastic hatches. They actually function exactly as they should, and I suspect they will last a long time, but they are not aesthetically appealing and they do not clean up as nicely as a glass lid would.
I think that the people that buy Cape Horns love the incredibly solid feel and the totally no-nonsense approach to the build and layout. Anyone that says these boat lack features compared to boats in the same class is wrong. Boat's in the 16-18 ft range, in general do not have that many features to offer. In my opinion Cape Horn's offer just what you need and nothing you don't need and they do it in a way that is just right.
The CH 18 Bay is a big 18 ft bay boat with 18'6 LOA and full 8'0" beam ... more comparable to a Key West 186 Bay Reef or Sea Hunt Navigator 19 than a Key West 172 or a Sea Hunt 172. Price the Cape Horn 18 Bay against those 2 boats and see if the CH looks expensive ... no way.
The CH 18 has a 30 gal live well. That's the kind of livewell you find on bay boats in the 21-foot-plus class. It has 13 rod holders; 5 huge storage areas; an uncluttered cockpit and large open casting decks with tons of fishing room. There is nothing that I've wanted to do with this boat that it has not been able to do.
I've looked at every bay boat made from about 18 ft to 22 ft and I don't think there is a better (maybe equal) bay boat in a comparable size.
Don't let anyone tell you this is a wet boat. It is not. I've had it in seas that I consider rough for an 18 ft boat and it does not kick up spray. In rough seas the ride is not super-soft, but it exceeds my expectations.
With the 125 Merc (carbs), I like to run 4300-4500 RPM's making 33-34 MPH and burning about 7 GPH. My WOT on the Merc is 5200 RPM's and the boat does 43-44 MPH. Personally, I'd love to have max HP on the boat ... probably one of the DFI's, but I'll keep the 'ole tyme motor for now.
Some of the other CH models have been addressed pretty well by previous posters. The CH16 is a much smaller boat and is not a fair comparison to the 18 bay very well. It would be like comparing the 22 CH Bay to the 18 bay.
The CH 17 Offshore is a whole nuther type of boat. It is not a bay boat. It's a deep, wide boat that has little or no competition in that size range. It is a huge "17-footer" and, once again, very well priced for what you are getting.
I will be happy to answer any specific questions about the CH 18 Bay that you may have.
Here's a few pics:
02-13-2004, 08:43 AM
I was wondering if you'd respond. Good responses and great info. THT is like a fix, gotta get it everyday!
02-13-2004, 08:46 AM
That is one beautiful rig!!
02-13-2004, 08:56 AM
Good reply Fishin-fanatic
02-13-2004, 01:23 PM
Thank You Sir! I enjoyed your email and I am planning a trip over that way around spring. I have to cruise a timber tract before it gets too hot and when it drys a bit.
I must add that's a mighty fine rig you have there! Awesome array of pics, thanks for sharing!! http://thehulltruth.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif